Blackfire so easy to apply and remove even with those pesky highspots.cq UK may be better durability wise but kind of hard to wipe off if you are a first timer.you probably can't get cq finest which I would use,but you get so much more of Blackfire dollar wise compared to cq.erase the the whole car then let it gas out for 30 to 40 minutes depending on weather.if using be use very little goes a long way.so in a nutshell cq UK is equivalent as Blackfire in terms of durability,but cq finest is the way to go.Theres also glosscoat and bulletproof which are super easy to use good luck.
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^^Bingo. We have a winner.^^
I'm a little troubled by the "marketing" as well. Maybe it's the chemist in me. Maybe it's my "Logic 101" mentality. Who knows? But, I do think the implications of the following language should be addressed.
Wolfgang Perfekt Finish Paint Prep is a powerful cleaner that removes unwanted polishing oils, finger prints, fillers, and silicone oils from freshly polished surfaces. What’s the importance of removing the aforementioned contaminants before waxing, sealing, or coating your vehicle? Simply put, the cleaner the surface, the better your wax, sealant, or coating will adhere. This critical step is especially important when applying Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating, a resin-based surface coating that will only adhere to surfaces that have been first pre-treated with Perfekt Finish Paint Prep.
On 29 Oct 2015, Nick@autogeek posted this about Blackfire Crystal Coat:
Here's some "inside info" on BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat. Hold onto your seat, I'm going to tell you like it is.
- It's the most chemical resistant coating manufactured by PBMG. I would encourage anyone to compare it to Cquartz, Gloss Coat, etc. I'm certain it will perform as well or better.
- It provides the thickest film of all the coatings manufactured by PBMG. Again, I would encourage anyone to compare it to the aforementioned coatings, or any other industry leaders.
- The "2 year" longevity rating is very conservative. Anyone that's experienced with coatings will easily see 4 or 5 years from Crystal Coat.
- Crystal Coat is the most difficult coating to apply manufactured by PBMG. BLACKFIRE enthusiasts tend to be more savvy than others, which is why we put our focus on 99% performance and 1% ease of application. Remember, difficult is a relative term. Coatings that are absolutely dumby proof to apply, like PBL Diamond Paint Coating or the new Uber Ceramic Coating by Wolfgang, make others look difficult by comparison.
- Crystal Coat has the shortest shelf life (once opened) of any coating manufactured by PBMG. If you noticed on this product, it has a unique seal that is not shared with any other product we manufacture. Unlike most seals which are applied and secured by the pressure of tightening the cap, Crystal Coat has a unique (and costly) heat seal. This allows for a long shelf life for an unopened bottle. Once you open it, however, the coating immediately begins to cross link because it is oxygen activated.
Here is the link that contain's Nick's comments: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/96319-blackfire-coating-updates.html
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Today I used the new Uber Coating on my Mustang. I'll post up the review Tuesday. I'll also share my thoughts on how it compares to DP Paint Coating, Black Label Paint Coating and Black Label Coating V2. Perhaps it will help provide you with information on which is more user friendly.
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you're fine. the point is that the paint needs to be perfectly clean. how you get there doesn't matter. there are primers and such, with adhesion promoters, etc., but when it comes to these consumer coatings, just assure the substrate is free of any contamination, oils, etc. and go to town. Eraser is perfect for that purpose.
BTW, if i were in the market right now for a consumer coating, i'd go with the new Uber coating or Gloss-Coat. i have used Gloss-Coat extensively and find it ridiculously easy to apply and terribly slick..and it's cheap compared to the Uber. but the Uber marketing material seems to point to it being more robust than Gloss-Coat while being very easy to apply. That seems like a great combo to me.
i wish i knew who made the Uber stuff considering it has a delivery system that is consistent with OPT coatings. does anyone else in the entire market use syringes like that? i haven't seen it. or, maybe PBMA simply realized the syringe idea is brilliant for stuff that is highly reactive to air and/or what's in air ; )
but yeah, that stuff looks very promising for a consumer grade item!
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That stuff really is just plain ole fantastic, isn't it? I just did my Durango last weekend with it. If it wasn't so crazy expensive I would be offering it more to my customers, but where I live is cheap.
And, I have only used CUK as I live in Ohio and have to deal with our crap weather. I like the product, I did my ex's van with it last summer, holding strong for a mostly parked outside vehicle, including NE Ohio snow.
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After reading thread after thread, this is the mindset/philosophy I was leaning towards. Just wanted to check with other Autogeekers about their opinions and experience.
Cool, thanks for you vote/opinion :xyxthumbs:
Maybe someone "in the know" will chime and answer this for us.
oke: Anyone out there ?http://www.autogeekonline.net//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/I wish I knew this too cause I still have crystal coat unopened but I didnt realize how difficult it was to use. Here I thought it was easier to apply so I made the expensive purchase.
Not happy at all about it.
I didn't find Blackfire Crystal Coat that hard to apply, though it is not as forgiving as Pinnacle Black Label. It is a tricky coating system, since it streaks a bit and you have to level it with a good quality short loop MF.
The key is to remove the streaks real soon, not more than one minute, it flashes really fast.
In terms of difficulty, it is similar to Gtechniq's C1 or EXO, imho.
When I have a particular spot which is hard to remove the streaking, I mist the microfiber with IPA 15%, I don't know if it is recommended or not, but this is what I do; I learned this technique with a notoriously hard coat to apply, the brazilian made VX45.
Mike from Germany knows a lot about Blackfire Crystal Coat, and Zach about 22PLE.
What really, really bothered me about Blackfire Crystal Coat is the shelf life; if I knew that It has such a short lifespan, I wouldn't buy the 8 ounces. Indeed, they should warn you about it in the product's page.
The key is to remove the streaks real soon, not more than one minute, it flashes really fast.
In terms of difficulty, it is similar to Gtechniq's C1 or EXO, imho.
When I have a particular spot which is hard to remove the streaking, I mist the microfiber with IPA 15%, I don't know if it is recommended or not, but this is what I do; I learned this technique with a notoriously hard coat to apply, the brazilian made VX45.
Mike from Germany knows a lot about Blackfire Crystal Coat, and Zach about 22PLE.
What really, really bothered me about Blackfire Crystal Coat is the shelf life; if I knew that It has such a short lifespan, I wouldn't buy the 8 ounces. Indeed, they should warn you about it in the product's page.