A Word To All Waterless and Rinseless Wash Users

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Rsurfer said:
Ron, you had better stop using spray waxes and calling yourself a pro detailer.:laughing:

"And for all those who have recently discovered spray waxes for the first time, for the love of humanity, please stop calling yourself a professional detailer."
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ryanbabz71 said:
I only rinseless wash my weekend car and have now for almost 4 years

It's in pretty darn good shape

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Nice Ryan, but do you drive it in a rain?
 
The intention of the OP is to communicate correct information.
It is not intended to preach to the choir.
It is also not specifically directed at anyone on this forum.

Auto Detailing as a profession, and social medial platform communities, are growing in numbers by the day.
Technology specifically related to the world of auto detailing is moving forward at a rapid pace.
It is important as old school meets new school, and as rookies enter into the auto detail world, that everyone stays well informed.

If anyone has a different view or opinion than what is stated in the OP, so be it.
I am all for discussion, and even debate, as this has the potential to educate us all.
I also enjoy hearing all points of view.

I would suggest to anyone who chooses to engage in juvenile remarks in an effort to prove their maturity and display their resume of knowledge, examples neither effort.
While this forum is a great resource of information and social dialogue, it is not immune from the nonsense that goes on at any other forum.
Many of the reply comments directed at the OP prove that.

If anyone is offended by anything stated in the OP then you genuinely spend too much time on forums.
 
dear gods of forum moderation delete this *thread* before it gets out of hand. i have left fb groups over what this is going to turn into...
 
I like these sort of threads. The OP is right. There is a lot of bad technique being floated on the threads by inexperienced users.
Many of those who jumped down the OP's throat either use bad technique in washing, or just have a sensitive ego, or both. Probably the latter.
 
And we are to consider you the "god" of these washes?????? I find your post a joke. I have used waterless washes since 2004 and have yet to cause problems on the finish. I feel that I have more experience than most.
 
RTexasF said:
And we are to consider you the "god" of these washes?????? I find your post a joke. I have used waterless washes since 2004 and have yet to cause problems on the finish. I feel that I have more experience than most.
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No.
You should simply consider the information, that is all.

flyingchipmunk said:
dear gods of forum moderation delete this *thread* before it gets out of hand. i have left fb groups over what this is going to turn into...
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Or.......
Delete the posts of those who have chosen to not offer discussion, only juvenile remarks.
 
vanev said:
A Word To All Waterless and Rinseless Wash Users:

I am seeing...
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I am seeing where Cations and Anions can
lead someone down the path-of-darkness.

Still...in this season-of-enlightenment:
I don't want you to follow that path.


Bob
 
vanev said:
The intention of the OP is to communicate correct information.
It is not intended to preach to the choir.
It is also not specifically directed at anyone on this forum.

Auto Detailing as a profession, and social medial platform communities, are growing in numbers by the day.
Technology specifically related to the world of auto detailing is moving forward at a rapid pace.
It is important as old school meets new school, and as rookies enter into the auto detail world, that everyone stays well informed.

If anyone has a different view or opinion than what is stated in the OP, so be it.
I am all for discussion, and even debate, as this has the potential to educate us all.
I also enjoy hearing all points of view.

I would suggest to anyone who chooses to engage in juvenile remarks in an effort to prove their maturity and display their resume of knowledge, examples neither effort.
While this forum is a great resource of information and social dialogue, it is not immune from the nonsense that goes on at any other forum.
Many of the reply comments directed at the OP prove that.

If anyone is offended by anything stated in the OP then you genuinely spend too much time on forums.
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Your tone in the original post was accusatory and condescending. So that's how I took it. This post follows that tone.
 
ronkh57 said:
Your tone in the original post was accusatory and condescending. So that's how I took it. This post follows that tone.
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The tone in the OP was not intended to present itself that way.
I actually went back to edit it to soften the tone and remove the bold lettering, but the edit option was not available.

The follow up post is in response to the Reddit style remarks directed towards the OP, and towards me.
I do not control how someone feels.
I only control my own words.
I stand by the follow up and the intended message of the OP.

Again.
The OP was not directed towards anyone specifically.
It was not intended to preach to the choir.
I am always open to constructive criticism and discussion.
The majority remarks offered in this thread have in no way represented anything constructive.
 
I have a ivation portable pressure washer system that I did a few modifications to and really helps when I need it, I'm 100% rinseless/waterless but I also know my boundaries
 
I find it strange that so many are taking offense. To me, his original post was written to the newbie, or newbie to waterless and rinslesses who think they can just start scrubbing away. I do believe there was a mention about having to have technique in his post.
Point is, if the shoe fits then wear it, if it doesn't, then don't. Now, go play nicely.
 
Dereksdtail said:
I have a ivation portable pressure washer system that I did a few modifications to and really helps when I need it, I'm 100% rinseless/waterless but I also know my boundaries
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That is a good idea.
Many like to hose off the exterior panels, and then use the rinseless/waterless solutions to clean the exterior, and use as drying aids.

I prefer to at least always have a couple spray bottles of distilled water on hand.
Typically, I will saturate each panel with distilled water regardless of what product choice I use.

Rinseless and waterless washes are often not always used without some form of rinse, or without some water, although they are engineered to do what they advertise.
 
IMO I believe the OP is correct in some ways. If you are not familiar with the rinseless wash technique (I won't even do a waterless wash as I agree with him in this case) or the waterless wash techniques then you will scratch your paint. That being said I believe he meant that to all the newbies out there and not to the more experienced ones such as most people here on AGO.

My reading of his post was not offensive in any way just a note to all the "newer" or lack of experienced detailers out there. IMO I didn't read the post as offensive.

Have a great weekend everyone.
 
ronkh57 said:
Your tone in the original post was accusatory and condescending. So that's how I took it. This post follows that tone.
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I fully agree. To say the "majority" I feel implied a lot of forum members here. Most non-detailers have never ever heard of RW or WW that I know. I've done rinseless for over 10 years, and while I'm not a professional, I know what to do and not do due to the fact I educated myself and used some common sense along the way.
 
It's hard if not impossible to detect tone or delivery of a statement. To me it simply sounds as if the OP is frustrated with "detailers" not using correct waterless procedures. More of a vent if you will. I get frustrated with industry professionals making mistakes and bringing down potential clients perception of our industry as well.
Had a guy call me today and ask if I could fix his peeling clear coat on his hood. I told him if the clear coat had failed already it would need to be re painted. He then told me "somebody else said a good detailer could fix it". I simply told him I'm not gonna sell you a service that will not fix the problem.
 
expdetailing said:
I like these sort of threads. The OP is right. There is a lot of bad technique being floated on the threads by inexperienced users.
Many of those who jumped down the OP's throat either use bad technique in washing, or just have a sensitive ego, or both. Probably the latter.
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Kamakaz1961 said:
IMO I believe the OP is correct in some ways. If you are not familiar with the rinseless wash technique (I won't even do a waterless wash as I agree with him in this case) or the waterless wash techniques then you will scratch your paint. That being said I believe he meant that to all the newbies out there and not to the more experienced ones such as most people here on AGO.

My reading of his post was not offensive in any way just a note to all the "newer" or lack of experienced detailers out there. IMO I didn't read the post as offensive.

Have a great weekend everyone.
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^^^^^^ This.

Why any knowledgeable, experienced, professional, or capable detailer would be offended by anything in the OP is hard for me to understand.
I am open to constructive criticism, and was trying to actually listen to the replies, though not constructive.
I did attempt to edit the OP, but the edit option was no longer available at that time.

The OP was intended toward rookies and anyone else not fully educated or informed on rinseless and waterless products.
I will also suggest that it is possible that some long time experienced professional detailers are cutting corners using these products, and are not realizing the example they are setting in their videos and comments in social media to the next generation.

I have used rinseless wash, watareless wash, and various shop wash methods as my go to approaches for the last three years.
Washing trucks and cars almost everyday for three years, I believe I have used running water from a hose/pressure washer maybe five times in that time span.
So, that is hundreds of washes using primarily rinseless, waterless, and shop wash methods over the last three years.
 
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