Need tips & tricks for Meguiars Paint Protect 365

[Don M]

I just bought the Paint Protect 365 at Walmart and I need some tips & tricks from anyone experienced in its use. I did a quick WW using D115 on my hood, roof and trunk lid so I could give the PP365 a quick test run before going to bed. I used a mf covered sponge applicator and applied several "dots" of product to the applicator, then basically wiped it on. I gave the three panels about 10 minutes, then started buffing with a clean mf cloth.

I had to buff the heck out of it because it was leaving shadows, clouds and 'smears' on the paint. I also discovered that I have to change buffing cloths fairly often as they seem to load up and not remove the PP365 as well (the hood was the worst).

Most recently, my car was polished w/Klasse AIO and had a coat of Ult Liquid Wax applied. Since then, it has seen several uses of UQD & UQW and now UWWA and D115. Should I polish the car with Ult Polish to get down to clean paint and start over, or am I good to go as is?

I'm pretty sure I put the PP365 on too thick and I'm going to work on applying it thinner. Right now I'm applying it by the half-panel ... half the hood then the other half, half the roof, etc. Is that too much? Should I work in smaller sections?

Right now, I'm waiting to see if the smears fade out, like many waxes do once they lay after a while. If it does, the probably 80% of my issues will be gone.

I would still like any opinions on my process and all suggestions are welcome.​

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[FUNX650]

A few things to "change-up" come to mind:

•365 is basically a wipe-on...and go
right ahead and wipe-it-off product:
-No need to have a designated time,
like 10 minutes, for: waiting-to-haze;
or needs-to-bond; before its removal.

•Apply thin...very thin!
-application w/DA is suitable.

•365 is not a 'Coating':
-it doesn't need a sterilized surface
upon which it will be applied


Bob

 

[Eldorado2k]

A few things to "change-up" come to mind:

•365 is basically a wipe-on...and go
right ahead and wipe-it-off product:
-No need to have a designated time,
like 10 minutes, for: waiting-to-haze;
or needs-to-bond; before its removal.

•Apply thin...very thin!
-application w/DA is suitable.

•365 is not a 'Coating':
-it doesn't need a sterilized surface
upon which it will be applied


Bob

Sorry Bob but Paint Protect does require 5-10 min. to set before wiping off. It even says so right on the label. DA application is possible but surely not recommended..

I could totally see the problems he's experiencing due to the surface not being a clean slate + anything containing "wax" used on top of it will change the expected characteristics of Paint Protect, that includes Megs D156 Synthetic Express Spray Wax. Btw I got this info straight from the man, Mike Pennington.

 

[The Guz]

For me two things come to mind.

There are too many products on the paint. All of these products could be causing some sort of issue with PP365 bonding to the paint. I would start with a clean base.

Second, what does several dots look like? It sounds like you used way too much product for a specific area.

When I used PP365 I let it sit for nor more than 5 minutes. It does require more towels to remove it, as it is an oily product. You are more than likely seeing the carrier oils on the paint. Those will go away after the first wash.

One last tip, is to not wash it or top it for 7-10 days. This will allow you to get maximum performance out of it.

I have a video in this thread on how applied it. I treated PP365 like a coating.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-camaro-z28-meguiars-paint-protect-365-a.html

 

[FUNX650]

For me two things come to mind.

There are too many products on the paint. All of these products could be causing some sort of issue with PP365 bonding to the paint. I would start with a clean base.

Second, what does several dots look like? It sounds like you used way too much product for a specific area.

When I used PP365 I let it sit for nor more than 5 minutes. It does require more towels to remove it, as it is an oily product. You are more than likely seeing the carrier oils on the paint. Those will go away after the first wash.

One last tip, is to not wash it or top it for 7-10 days. This will allow you to get maximum performance out of it.

I have a video in this thread on how applied it. I treated PP365 like a coating.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-camaro-z28-meguiars-paint-protect-365-a.html

Sorry Bob but Paint Protect does require 5-10 min. to set before wiping off. It even says so right on the label. DA application is possible but surely not recommended..

I could totally see the problems he's experiencing due to the surface not being a clean slate + anything containing "wax" used on top of it will change the expected characteristics of Paint Protect, that includes Megs D156 Synthetic Express Spray Wax. Btw I got this info straight from the man, Mike Pennington.

Being that I got my all of my 365 information
directly from Mr. Michael Stoops:
I respectfully disagree with both
of the above postings.


@OP:
With that said-and-done:
I know exactly which "Meguiar's
spokesperson" I'm going to believe...
How about you?



Bob

 

[The Guz]

Being that I got my all of my 365 information
directly from Mr. Michael Stoops:
I respectfully disagree with both
of the above postings.


@OP:
With that said-and-done:
I know exactly which "Meguiar's
spokesperson" I'm going to believe...
How about you?



Bob

Have you actually used PP365?

 

[Eldorado2k]

Being that I got my all of my 365 information
directly from Mr. Michael Stoops:
I respectfully disagree with both
of the above postings.


@OP:
With that said-and-done:
I know exactly which "Meguiar's
spokesperson" I'm going to believe...
How about you?



Bob

You can disagree all you want, Bob. But like I said, my info comes straight from the source.

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And on top of that, Mr. Stoops even applied Meguiars Paint Protect on my very own car months before the product hit the shelves. Debate over. Have a good day.

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[swanicyouth]

Isn't this product pretty much universally reviewed as sucking anyway???

Maybe just try another sealant.

Does anyone love this stuff?


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[dlc95]

If you're having issues wiping it off, you're probably
over applying.

One of my favorite sealants, but I can see where it's easy to mess up. Reminds me of the original Turtle Wax Ice from 06/07.

 

[FUNX650]

Have you actually used PP365?

Of course!

You can disagree all you want, Bob.
But like I said, my info comes straight
from the source.

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And on top of that, Mr. Stoops even applied
Meguiars Paint Protect on my very own car months
before the product hit the shelves.

Debate over. Have a good day.

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You surely don't believe that by posting pictures,
wherein you are alleging that these Meguiar's
spokespersons are discussing...in detail...
the idiosynchroncies of PP365 that you listed
in an earlier posting...is not debatable?!?!
Get Real.


My Source actually produced, in writing,
the tips & tricks to/of PP365 that I
presented in my initial posting to this thread.


So: Wanna read 'em?



Bob

 

[Eldorado2k]

Need tips & tricks for Meguiars Paint Protect 365

You surely don't believe that by posting pictures,
wherein you are alleging that these Meguiar's
spokespersons are discussing...in detail...
the idiosynchroncies of PP365 that you listed
in an earlier posting...is not debatable?!?!
Get Real.

That perticular TNOG was the post SEMA product preview special invite from Meguiars where they allowed the limited few of us to try out the new upcoming product line which included the Meguiars MT 300 DA, Paint Protect, the new Perfect Clarity Headlight Restoration Kit, Ultimate Black aerosol trim restorer, among other products months before they were available for sale in any retail outlets.

And indeed they were there to answer specific questions regarding not only the polisher, but every new product available for us to test out for the 1st time that night.

Mike Stoops. I think everyone who's had the pleasure of meeting him in person would agree that he's simply 1 of the coolest dudes you'll ever meet. And man does he know his stuff when it comes to detailing, no doubt.

Like I said, among the best people you'll ever meet. If it wasn't for Mike Stoops my car wouldn't look as good as it does today.

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And then there's Mike Pennington aka the Big Dog, aka the Global Director of training for Meguiars, aka the man on the label of the Mirror Glaze bottles. He's also a real down to earth guy when you meet him in person. And he also happens to be the 1 who I specifically asked the question in regards to the Paint Protect. His answer was as I stated above.. And it was the real deal answer. Not debatable. Not even by you, Bob.

When Mike Pennington is in teach mode there is no "debatable". And that's the word I'm going by... BTW, you can ask The Guz because he was also there that night. He knows that I specifically asked about that and he heard the answer just like everyone else there.

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Do you still think their face to face answers to my questions are "debatable"? You'd be wrong on so many levels to think so.

 

[mwoolfso]

Just read the Meguiars site on this gentlemen...

Paint Protect | Meguiar's

"Paint Protect's pure synthetic chemistry applies easier than a wax; simply wipe on, wipe off. And unlike a wax, the unique formula does not haze but sets in 3-5 minutes…fully curing in 24 hours…to provide incredible water beading protection, wash, after wash, after wash!"

Seems to me the initiator of this thread started wiping off the product after it set in but well before it cured. Regardless of "who knows who", in this instance the symptoms experienced seem to support the product description on the Meguiars web site.

 

[The Guz]

I was there with Eldorado that night. We got to use the product prior to its release. All the tips we shared are straight from the tips provided by Michael Stoops over on MOL.

Bob I don't see you posting any useful information on this thread, over on MOL or even on the Meguiar's Facebook group with Michael Stoops himself. I can honestly say I have enough information on PP365 and personal experience using it. I know you find pleasure in debating things but why not post your useful tips to help out Don.

 

[Don M]

Wow, I didn't mean to start a raging "My Expert is better than yours" debate, all I asked was for those who have used and played with PP365, like Mike (Guz) relate anything that might make MY experience go a bit easier. Just today (on my own) I learned that the smears go away by themselves after the PP sits after application & removal (especially in 90*+ sunshine like today). And that at least at this point in time, the PP and the D115 feel similar in slickness, enough so that I can't tell the difference. I'll let time figure things out. So far it looks good, let's see how long it stays that way.

As for PP365 being "pretty much universally reviewed as sucking anyway???" I've heard negative comments about it's beading properties and a few about it's longevity, but no more than any other LSP. The most frequent "negative" I've heard was that it was/is designed more for the non-enthusiast, someone who doesn't wax/seal their car very often. Personally, I prefer a sealant that lasts a long time so that all I have to worry about are regular washings and sessions with a QD or QW over a total buffing regimen. More time DRIVING the car than busting my hump over it.

 

[Eldorado2k]

It's not about "my expert is better than"...
It's not about that at all. It's just that there's been some pretty outrageous advice/comments handed out lately [i.e. the whole "you should've never used All Wheel & Tire Cleaner on your wheels]"and this comment about Paint Protect came off sounding very odd and not anything like I've experienced or got from the product.

IMO anyone who's used PP should easily predict that it's not likely to play well on a surface with another [let alone several] other lsp's. Just seemed like blind advice, but that's just my opinion.

 

[The Guz]

Wow, I didn't mean to start a raging "My Expert is better than yours" debate, all I asked was for those who have used and played with PP365, like Mike (Guz) relate anything that might make MY experience go a bit easier. Just today (on my own) I learned that the smears go away by themselves after the PP sits after application & removal (especially in 90*+ sunshine like today). And that at least at this point in time, the PP and the D115 feel similar in slickness, enough so that I can't tell the difference. I'll let time figure things out. So far it looks good, let's see how long it stays that way.

As for PP365 being "pretty much universally reviewed as sucking anyway???" I've heard negative comments about it's beading properties and a few about it's longevity, but no more than any other LSP. The most frequent "negative" I've heard was that it was/is designed more for the non-enthusiast, someone who doesn't wax/seal their car very often. Personally, I prefer a sealant that lasts a long time so that all I have to worry about are regular washings and sessions with a QD or QW over a total buffing regimen. More time DRIVING the car than busting my hump over it.

Thanks for the follow up Don. The smearing will go away just like you noticed. Especially after the first wash. You are seeing the carrier oils in the product.

I actually got better beading as time passed which is strange. The third month looked better than the first. This is prior to me using it on my dad's Camaro and testing it on my own car. I didn't like it at first but I gave it a second chance on my dad's Camaro and it performed quite well the 5-6 months it was on the car prior to it being stolen.


I am looking forward to your long term results.

 

[Don M]

It's not about "my expert is better than"...
It's not about that at all. It's just that there's been some pretty outrageous advice/comments handed out lately [i.e. the whole "you should've never used All Wheel & Tire Cleaner on your wheels]"and this comment about Paint Protect came off sounding very odd and not anything like I've experienced or got from the product.

IMO anyone who's used PP should easily predict that it's not likely to play well on a surface with another [let alone several] other lsp's. Just seemed like blind advice, but that's just my opinion.

I get what you're saying, I really SHOULD have waited until I am able to polish all the LSPs off the paint, BUT you kow how it is when you get a new toy (or sealant) :laughing:

 

[The Guz]

I get what you're saying, I really SHOULD have waited until I am able to polish all the LSPs off the pait, BUT you kow how it is when you get a new toy (or sealant) :laughing:

Trust me I know lol.

 

[FUNX650]

It's not about "my expert is better than"...
It's not about that at all. It's just that there's been some pretty outrageous advice/comments handed out lately [i.e. the whole "you should've never used All Wheel & Tire Cleaner on your wheels]"and this comment about Paint Protect came off sounding very odd and not anything like I've experienced or got from the product.

IMO anyone who's used PP should easily predict that it's not likely to play well on a surface with another [let alone several] other lsp's. Just seemed like blind advice, but that's just my opinion.

First off:
Be very careful in whom you accuse
of posting "outrageous/blind" advice.

This isn't my first time around
the ol' detailing block.

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As to PP365 playing well with existing LSPs...
Here's my Source's advice regarding that issue:

Re: 365 Durability
"there really isn't anything special you need
to do to prep for this. Of course claying is
always a good idea, but no IPA wipedown or
anything outside the normal wax application
routine is needed".

"There shouldn't be any problems applying
this over an existing wax".

~Michael Stoops

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Bob

 

[The Guz]

Still waiting on some of those helpful tips on PP365?