Meguiar's D114 Rinsefree Express Wash Is Discontinued

[Eldorado2k]

Ah, so you assume any quick detailer is also good as a waterless?

No.
D114@1:256 would qualify as "quik detailer" strength, and many people use it at this dilution for claylube.
I prefer to use it @1:128 for claylube. So considering it's twice as concentrated as "quik detailer" dilution gives me enough confidence to trust it as a waterless wash... I don't use it as a waterless wash on all vehicles, but as long as the paint isn't soft it usually works ok. On my Cadillac it works good, plus I like the fact that it doesn't interfere with my lsp like D115 does. I usually reach for D115 for waterless on other peoples vehicles, but in a pinch D114 usually works fine, it's just not quite as slick on that final wipe as D115 is.

I've never instilled swirls onto any paint using D114 as a waterless.

 

[expdetailing]

No.
D114@1:256 would qualify as "quik detailer" strength, and many people use it at this dilution for claylube.
I prefer to use it @1:128 for claylube. So considering it's twice as concentrated as "quik detailer" dilution gives me enough confidence to trust it as a waterless wash... I don't use it as a waterless wash on all vehicles, but as long as the paint isn't soft it usually works ok. On my Cadillac it works good, plus I like the fact that it doesn't interfere with my lsp like D115 does. I usually reach for D115 for waterless on other peoples vehicles, but in a pinch D114 usually works fine, it's just not quite as slick on that final wipe as D115 is.

I've never instilled swirls onto any paint using D114 as a waterless.

Sounds like I should have tried it just to give it a shot. I've always backed off because some say it's great for cleaning everything, then I'd here it leaves streaks on paint. I was just never comfortable with such a heavy dilution. I figured since all the other rinseless washes want you to massively add more concentrate to make it a waterless, that the guys here were overly-touting the D114.

 

[FUNX650]

Ah, so you assume any quick detailer
is also good as a waterless?

Since I consider this man's detailing
expertise/knowledge to be trustworthy...

Note: While spray detailers are first
and foremost positioned as products
for removing light dust, if used wet
or heavy and with good technique,
that can substitute for a high lubricity
waterless wash. Use your own judgment.

Then my answer to your
the above question is: Yes!



Bob

 

[expdetailing]

To those who used D114 as a waterless wash and have used dedicated waterless products, how did D114 compare? I'm asking because D114 is still available and may take the plunge.
I've got Pinnacle waterless, DG Rinseless, ONR, and was wanting to re-order Ultima as it seems to be my favorite. Is D114 really that good? The waterless washes I listed are pretty darn good in their own right.

 

[Eldorado2k]

To those who used D114 as a waterless wash and have used dedicated waterless products, how did D114 compare? I'm asking because D114 is still available and may take the plunge.
I've got Pinnacle waterless, DG Rinseless, ONR, and was wanting to re-order Ultima as it seems to be my favorite. Is D114 really that good? The waterless washes I listed are pretty darn good in their own right.

Would you waterless wash a dark colored car this dirty with the Ultima and feel confident about it? My car hasn't been touched in 3 weeks.

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After just 1 swipe.

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It's all good.

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[Eldorado2k]

Ok now I'll do the other half with D115@6:1.
This is my bottle of it.

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Final results look good.

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I must say, doing it with the D115 was a much more pleasant experience.. It's just slicker and feels better. D114 in a pinch, but D115 is the no brainier choice between the 2. Only bad part is now I feel like I've messed up the coat of sealant I layed down just 3 weeks ago.. It's ok though, I'll just re apply later today after I wash the entire car.

 

[Rmd]

Is that the waterless wash and wax (d115) in the bottle that says last touch spray detailer (D115)?
I had a Gallon of D114 delivered today, so I'm set for about 3 years, but was curious about the other meg's offerings.

edit: the pink detailer is D155, I typed D115.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Is that the waterless wash and wax (d115) in the bottle that says last touch spray detailer (D115)?
I had a Gallon of D114 delivered today, so I'm set for about 3 years, but was curious about the other meg's offerings.

edit: the pink detailer is D155, I typed D115.

Yes it is D115 in the D155 bottle. I've never bought a gallon of Last Touch but I liked the bottle instead of a plain bottle with just the label. Not to mention the $1 label costs $7 to ship from the only place I know that sells it. Lol.

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[Dereksdtail]

I loved d115, but for the price I switched to onrww

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Well, since we were talking about the size of the market for rinseless wash, I was just listening to the latest Optimum Synergy Podcast, and the Production Manager was saying he makes 8000 lbs of ONR every 2 weeks. At 8.34 lbs/gal., that's about 25,000 gallons a year.

So at retail that's about a million dollars, or about a half million at wholesale. So even if D114 was selling half that, it would be about $250,000 in revenue for Meguiar's. When 3M bought them, their sales was reported to be about $100 million, so if that's still the case, then D114 would represent about 0.25% of sales, which I guess would make sense why they killed it.

Although as others have said, it's hard to imagine it selling less than say Hyper Dressing, etc. But perhaps as I've previously noted perhaps there is an acceptance level for rinseless wash that just isn't there in the broad market that uses quantities of dressings, etc.

So, just to put this in perspective, earlier in the thread I quoted:

The car wash soap market was $54 million in 2014

Presuming that number from Forrest is the wholesale/mfr. market, and if you figure OPT has half the rinseless market (which might be conservative), then the total rinseless market is less than 2% of the total car wash market. Which kind of matches what some of us think when we muse about how many people who wash their own cars are 'Geeks.

 

[FUNX650]

To those who used D114 as a waterless wash and have used dedicated waterless products, how did D114 compare? I'm asking because D114 is still available and may take the plunge.
I've got Pinnacle waterless, DG Rinseless, ONR, and was wanting to re-order Ultima as it seems to be my favorite. Is D114 really that good? The waterless washes I listed are pretty darn good in their own right.

Some people like RW/WW products
that will "leave something behind".
Conversely: other people do not.

I happen to be one of the people that
doesn't want their vehicles' LSPs to
be altered in any way, form, or fashion.
{To want otherwise, IMHO, would result in
my having wasted my efforts, time, money.}


Therefore:
Since Meguiar's D114 "doesn't leave behind"
any type of Waxes/Sealants/(other LSPs);
gloss enhancers/glossifiers; or any other
LSP-altering ingredients...it will reign as
my preferable RW/WW product.
{I believe I have enough D114 to last us
until we both are pushing up daisies.}


And...Yes...(again IMHO):
D114 is THAT GOOD!


Bob

 

[frankprozzoly]

I've always been curious to how the lsp gets altered. Right now i have finish kare. So far I've did an uber and 114 rinseless and I used 156 once after a wash. What are the signs that the lsp has been altered

 

[Eldorado2k]

I've always been curious to how the lsp gets altered. Right now i have finish kare. So far I've did an uber and 114 rinseless and I used 156 once after a wash. What are the signs that the lsp has been altered

For me it's my paint failing the baggie test within a month or two.. When under normL conditions I can go at least 5 months, then I re apply my lsp [without claying or any sort of prep, other than a bucket wash] and I'm set for 10 straight months of smooth paint and so on.. If and when I meddle with the finish by using "drying aids" that contain their own form of protection I not only see their beading/or lack there of, but I also see their lesser ability to protect my paint from bonded contaminants.

It's not evident at 1st. But the proof is in the baggie test later on down the line.

 

[FUNX650]

I've always been curious to how
the lsp gets altered. Right now i
have finish kare. So far I've did an
uber and 114 rinseless and I used
156 once after a wash.

What are the signs that the lsp
has been altered

Changes in water behavior.


Bob

 

[frankprozzoly]

That makes me think i should stop using spray wax once in awhile. I feel a test is in order to see if this is happening to me

 

[FUNX650]

That makes me think i should stop using
spray wax once in awhile. I feel a test is
in order to see if this is happening to me

Water has unique, I'll say even chameleonic,
properties that, IMO, seem to fit ideally into
the requirements that point to the signs
of when LSPs have been altered.


Bob

 

[PaulMys]

Water has unique, I'll say even chameleonic,
properties that, IMO, seem to fit ideally into
the requirements that point to the signs
of when LSPs have been altered.


Bob

I will never think of water as anything other than chameleonic now.

Thanks, Bob. ;P:::::::::::

 

[FUNX650]

I will never think of water as anything other than chameleonic now.

Thanks, Bob. ;P:::::::::::

Yep...your days of thinking of
water as being just:

a solvent, a solute, a reactant,
a catalyst, a biomolecule; being
able to structure proteins, nucleic
acids and cells; controlling our
consciousness; being the second
most common molecule in the
Universe (behind hydrogen), the most
abundant solid material; and, without
water: Life cannot, and will not continue...

Are now officially over.



Bob

 

[PaulMys]

Yep...your days of thinking of
water as being just:

a solvent, a solute, a reactant,
a catalyst, a biomolecule; being
able to structure proteins, nucleic
acids and cells; controlling our
consciousness; being the second
most common molecule in the
Universe (behind hydrogen), the most
abundant solid material; and, without
water: Life cannot, and will not continue...

Are now officially over.



Bob

Umm........ Nope. None of those satisfy my inner being as well as "chameleonic".

 

[BrutalNoodle]

To those who used D114 as a waterless wash and have used dedicated waterless products, how did D114 compare? I'm asking because D114 is still available and may take the plunge.
I've got Pinnacle waterless, DG Rinseless, ONR, and was wanting to re-order Ultima as it seems to be my favorite. Is D114 really that good? The waterless washes I listed are pretty darn good in their own right.

No, not when it comes to waterless. If waterless is all that you do, stay with Ultima or try Uber. D114 is weakest in this form, from my experience. Not weak in strength, but in terms of user experience & smoothness scale. It's quite grabby compared to others.

The love everyone has for D114 is for its flexibility & versatile characteristics. A Swiss Army chem, if you will. A paint-safe APC. Scrubbing tires, wheel maintenance, interior & panel wipedown, glass, etc. All could be tackled with impressive results. Others are two dimensional in this arena. ONR is close, but D114 is the king. You could try ONR on wheels, but D114 would leave it in the dust.

I used D120 again today and realized why I had it under the sink all this time: its scent is vomit-inducing. D114 is so pleasant than the cheap cough syrup scent. bleh