Meguiar's D114 Rinsefree Express Wash Is Discontinued

Bob, since you introduced me to this product may be you can answer this, what is the shelf life of D114? Is it worth to stock up 2-3 gallons and use them with in 4 years?
I use the below highlighted statement as just a guideline. {I do have some car-care products that are several decades "old"...yet are still effective, IMO. (YMMV)}***********************************"You can typically expect Meguiar's surface care formulations to retain their full effectiveness for three to five years, as long as the container has been sealed tightly, and has not been frozen".~Mike Phillips*********************************Just a thought in passing:Whenever a person does get around to using their stash of the now Discontinued-D114; and it, perchance, does not live up to their standards...Will they still be able to take Meguiar's up on their "Satisfaction Guaranteed" guarantee? Bob
 
Most of my D114 goes into spray bottles to be used as pre soak, waterless wash, quik detailer, clay lube, interior detailer, etc. The last thing I use it for is an actual rinseless wash. That's why my gallon has lasted so long.
 
I don't see what the big deal is about this stuff?

Is it some magic juice or something?

I guess people are upset because, supposedly, it leaves "nothing" behind.

What is the big deal???

Just find another rinseless you like: ONR, Pinnacle, Ultima, etc... They are all really good.

And if *somehow* these are "messing up" your wonder glass-ceramic coating's nano bridges, than your coating sucks.

Let me mourn in peace
 
Let me mourn in peace
A gallon lasts me only months. I use it for everything. I also am very liberal with it. I'm not to concerned about being perfect with the dilution ratios
Looks like we D114 users are going to have to be a little more prudent now.Try going with the recommended dilution ratio for making a RW with D114...that is: 1oz product/2gal water; a 1:256 ratio.Bob
 
I don't see what the big deal is about this stuff?

Is it some magic juice or something?

I guess people are upset because, supposedly, it leaves "nothing" behind.

What is the big deal???

Just find another rinseless you like: ONR, Pinnacle, Ultima, etc... They are all really good.

And if *somehow* these are "messing up" your wonder glass-ceramic coating's nano bridges, than your coating sucks.

LOL! No big deal...except I have some ONR left, some OOC left, and Ultima which I love...as well as Turtle Wax. Oh yeah and a gallon of another 'gone' waterless/rinseless 'fluid'.
 
I'm sorry, I just can't trust a waterless wash recommendation at 1:128. Everyone else is near 1:40 range. Besides, how can they recommend a 1:128 from their rinseless as a waterless when their actual waterless was 1:10?
 
I'm sorry, I just can't trust a waterless wash recommendation at 1:128. Everyone else is near 1:40 range. Besides, how can they recommend a 1:128 from their rinseless as a waterless when their actual waterless was 1:10?

"They" never recommended it... We just know it works from experience with it. Plus that's the known dilution ratio for claylube. [some people use it @1:256 for claylube] So if Megs OTC Quik Detailer works as claylube and also as a Quik Detailer, then the same can be assumed for D114 @ it's claylube dilution. And it does, it works great.
 
Well between the two them D-114 vs D-115. You can tell by the price of 115 that they are getting their money up front with that product as 114 cost about the same as a regular wash.
As another poster commented it seems like products with wax are making it in the marketplace when while those without are being discontinued. With a wax the application process doesn't make one feel like they are doing something wrong.

If the chemistry of the two were the same I would sell 114 and make another product so one could add wax in it. And let's face it this is a pro-product not retail perhaps that would make $ sense.

Plus meguiars does have to clean house it seems like the D line or the pro line should be folded into one of the other one has to go. If you ask me pro line could stay and use clear d line bottles.

Too many retail products too esp. Soaps.
 
Depends on the coating. Mine likes nothing on it at all.... no waxes, no polymers. When I use anything else I can see it all over the place, hazing everywhere and streakes to boot.
 
114 is like towel drying a regular car wash soap. Always leaves spots and streaks. Its a great product in many ways, but not for washing for me.
 
114 is like towel drying a regular car wash soap. Always leaves spots and streaks. Its a great product in many ways, but not for washing for me.

At which dilution?

After all this time, I have never gone 1:256; always wash @ 1:128.

I would think this will give me streaks going at heavier solution, but have not experienced streaks or spotting. Not even on glass, and I use tap.

BTW, my lsp is 4* UPP. Maybe it doesn't play well with what you have underneath.
 
Geez, 10 pages discussing a discontinued product?? We absolutely love, love, love your passion, guys, but the simple truth of the matter is not enough of you were buying D114 to justify us keeping it in production. That said, D115 Rinse Free Express Wash & Wax is still available, as is the consumer version of it, Ultimate Wash & Wax Anywhere (including it's newly changed name - yes, NAME ONLY; Ultimate Waterless Wash Anywhere).

Long before our association with 3M we would discontinue products based on poor sales. Not every product is a hit, and those that aren't really do need to be euthanized to make room for others. If you know the Meguiar's history, you know that we started off as a furniture polish company back in 1901. We eventually got out of that business entirely due to slow sales, and that was actually quite recently (like, in the last 10 - 15 years). This whole world of car care products can be a crazy one, and products that are truly outstanding sometimes are either misunderstood by the masses, or lag in sales for other reasons. On the flip side, there are products on the market today that detailing enthusiasts deride as being absolutely horrible in every way, yet they sell like crazy to the masses. Go figure. At some point you have to make a business decision, whether you're as large as 3M or as small as a local corner Mom & Pop retail store, as to what items you'll make/sell/represent/etc and which ones you won't. It really is as simple as that.

I understand that business is business.
However, D114 is a truly great product.
There is also a place for rinseless wash sold by the gallon in both the retail and professional market place.

By discontinuing this product, you force professionals and retail consumers to look elsewhere to meet their need for rinseless wash sold by the gallon.
I think it is fair to say that most consumers do their best to stay in the same brand name and product lines when detailing vehicles.
So, by default you send your customers to another brand to meet this need, and there is a need for such a product.
If said consumers like the other brand of rinseless wash, now they have interest to try the other brand's product line.
The negative effect on the Meguiar's brand is compounding.

I am a professional detailer.
I use D114 as my go to rinseless wash.
Most of my products for professional detailing are Meguiar's brand.

I hope Meguiar's brand would reconsider completely discontinuing the product, and consider other options:
- Smaller sizes.
- More profitable price points.
- RTU dilution ratios.
- Etc......
 
Continuing that...

-Why try to cater to a market that isn't as big as you thought, but keep the product available for the market you have.

I know the response...it's called production and marketing costs. So! If D114 costs more to make and market and profit isn't high enough then someone at the big house didn't do enough research or made a bad prediction. Get rid of him, and you'll recoup what you've lost. You'll have gotten rid of a bad employee and kept a great product.

Oh...relax. I'm just fueling the fire and fanning the flames a bit. LOL!

I can see detailers using way more D114 than Hyperdressing...something that rarely goes on sale and when it does it's still never below $35 a gallon...of which I'd never buy. My quart will last me a decade...mainly because I like other products better for the same use. D114 on the other hand has way more uses.

I miss being able to get quart samples of concentrates from ADS. Wish I knew of another place to buy them and still get the same concentration as the gallon sizes, only smaller. Who wants to drop upwards of $30-$65 a gallon for a product they may not like. Most people like to try before they buy and commit to spending more money on larger quantities. Otherwise gallons of crap just gathers dust.
 
Look what was delivered today! Was glad to see my order was fulfilled and not cancelled. I'd be willing to trade a quart of this precious liquid for a G21 complete with a set of pads! :)

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"They" never recommended it... We just know it works from experience with it. Plus that's the known dilution ratio for claylube. [some people use it @1:256 for claylube] So if Megs OTC Quik Detailer works as claylube and also as a Quik Detailer, then the same can be assumed for D114 @ it's claylube dilution. And it does, it works great.

Ah, so you assume any quick detailer is also good as a waterless?
 
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