Mckees paint coating vs pinnacle black label paint coating?

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Mckees paint coating vs pinnacle black label paint coating?


Both are formulated with nano glass ceramic particles. Both made by the same people. The pinnacle is more expensive but the mckees is a newer formula.

Do you think there is any difference here? The pinnacle claims to be designed to be topped with your favorite carnuba. That's perfect for me but I don't see there being much difference between the 2?

What do you guys think. The same or different?

 

[MattPersman]

Different.

Mckees is its own company now. Pinnacle is part of PBMG. Could they be bottled and made at the same place could be hard to say. Doubt you will get the real answer

the mckees new one has si02 in it but many have that, doesn't make them the same. Not like Cquartz ti02 and UK are the same

I'm imagining the new mckees to be closer to Gyeon can coat as far as comparisons go on application and make up.


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[fightnews]

Different.

Mckees is its own company now. Pinnacle is part of PBMG. Could they be bottled and made at the same place could be hard to say. Doubt you will get the real answer

the mckees new one has si02 in it but many have that, doesn't make them the same. Not like Cquartz ti02 and UK are the same

I'm imagining the new mckees to be closer to Gyeon can coat as far as comparisons go on application and make up.


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Is the sio2 the same as nano glass? That's what they both advertise

 

[MattPersman]

Perhaps. It doesn't mean they are the same though. Could have 5% could have 65% doubt you will get a published number

You won't see a lot of actual data on these products. Just vague information and hyped reviews.

Doesn't mean they don't perform. Just no technical data useful to compare.

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[The Guz]

They are both ceramic coatings. No need to over complicate things. One has a claim of 3 years and the other of 2 years.

Again any coating can be topped with any wax as others mentioned in your other thread. The self cleaning effect of the coating will not let the wax stick around for that long.

 

[fightnews]

They are both ceramic coatings. No need to over complicate things. One has a claim of 3 years and the other of 2 years.

Again any coating can be topped with any wax as others mentioned in your other thread. The self cleaning effect of the coating will not let the wax stick around for that long.

The pinnacle coating says specifically it was designed to be topped with a wax. It's not over complicating to assume it is different then another coating that was not designed to be topped.

 

[fightnews]

Perhaps. It doesn't mean they are the same though. Could have 5% could have 65% doubt you will get a published number

You won't see a lot of actual data on these products. Just vague information and hyped reviews.

Doesn't mean they don't perform. Just no technical data useful to compare.

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I know that alone doesn't mean they are the same but you take that plus the fact they they were designed and developed by the same people. Plus the fact that they have similar descriptions and ingredients. Then it's not so much of a stretch to think they are the same or very similar? I think it's a pretty legitimate question that needs clarification at the least.

Is there something in the pinnacle coating that makes it more compatible with a top coat of wax? If so does the mckees coating also have that feature. These are legitimate questions given the three facts I listed.

I would rather not spend the extra money on the pinnacle black label coating if the mckees coating has the same features, cost half the money and is easier to apply.

 

[Valky]

I don't know about mckees, but I will never used any of Pinnacle Coating again. Both Surface coating and Black Label V.2 both are very week coating for my country climate, none of them ever exist more than 2 months. Gloss Coat and CQ stay much much longer.

 

[The Guz]

The pinnacle coating says specifically it was designed to be topped with a wax. It's not over complicating to assume it is different then another coating that was not designed to be topped.

I am going to reiterate what others have mentioned in your other thread. Any coating can be topped. The reason Pinnacle says it can be topped is because they offer synergy wax in their line up. I would not worry too much about topping any coating as the self cleaning effect will keep the wax from sticking around long enough. Thus over thinking it.

Ceramic=SiO2=Nano Glass. These are buzz words that mean the same thing. Yes every coating is going to vary based on the chemical make up.

 

[fightnews]

I am going to reiterate what others have mentioned in your other thread. Any coating can be topped. The reason Pinnacle says it can be topped is because they offer synergy wax in their line up. I would not worry too much about topping any coating as the self cleaning effect will keep the wax from sticking around long enough. Thus over thinking it.

Ceramic=SiO2=Nano Glass. These are buzz words that mean the same thing. Yes every coating is going to vary based on the chemical make up.

Thats not the reason why they say it. Thats your assumption. It has nothing to do with synergy wax. It clearly says "designed to be topped with your favorite carnuba wax.

You say they are "buzz words"and "any coating can be topped" but then you say all coatings are not the same. Obviously any coating can be topped that does not mean they all should be topped.

This stuff is all new. Pinnacle black label may have a reason to say specifically their coating is more compatible with a carnuba wax. Instead of trying to answer the question you are trying to give reasons why it shouldn't be asked. The fact is you don't know. Not a big deal but don't try to convince me I shouldn't be asking the question.

If they claim their coating is designed specifically to be topped I want to know about that. Not about the boards coating dogma. I'm sorry but that doesn't help.

If the question had been answered in my "other threads" I wouldn't have made this one. I can read so thanks but I don't need the reiteration.

 

[fightnews]

I am going to reiterate what others have mentioned in your other thread. Any coating can be topped. The reason Pinnacle says it can be topped is because they offer synergy wax in their line up. I would not worry too much about topping any coating as the self cleaning effect will keep the wax from sticking around long enough. Thus over thinking it.

Ceramic=SiO2=Nano Glass. These are buzz words that mean the same thing. Yes every coating is going to vary based on the chemical make up.

Paint sealant has that same effect. You agree that Coatings are different so why is it such a stretch to think that wax is going to bond to some Coatings better than others?

 

[Nick McKees37]

Both are formulated with nano glass ceramic particles. Both made by the same people. The pinnacle is more expensive but the mckees is a newer formula.

Do you think there is any difference here? The pinnacle claims to be designed to be topped with your favorite carnuba. That's perfect for me but I don't see there being much difference between the 2?

What do you guys think. The same or different?

Bob McKee is the former owner of Pinnacle Black Label, Pinnacle Natural Brilliance, BLACKFIRE Car Care, Wolfgang Car Care, and Marine 31. When Bob sold Autogeek to the Hulman-George family last fall, he sold EVERYTHING except McKee's 37, McKee's RV and the real estate. Autogeek is a distributor of McKee's 37 / McKee's RV, not the manufacturer.

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[The Guz]

Paint sealant has that same effect. You agree that Coatings are different so why is it such a stretch to think that wax is going to bond to some Coatings better than others?

I did not say that wax is going to bond to some coating than others. The self cleaning effect of a coating is what will keep the wax from bonding longer than it would on uncoated paint.

Again there is no rule against topping a coating. You can top any coating to your hearts content.

Here is my recommendation. Pick a coating and play around with it. You will see what works and does not work. Part of the fun is experimenting rather than over thinking it.

 

[FUNX650]

Paint sealant has that same effect.

You agree that Coatings are different
so why is it such a stretch to think
that wax is going to bond to some
Coatings better than others?

IMO:
First of all you have to determine:

Do Waxes ever actually "bond" to paint,
Sealants, Coatings; or, as far as that
goes, even unto other Waxes?

Hint:
Think about a well-known Brand's
"hard shell" marketing spiel...



Bob

 

[MikeC78]

Legit question. I honestly do not see the point of topping a coating with a wax. Seems to me to be pointless and defeating the purpose of applying a coating in the first place. However, I do now and then top mine with a product such as "Reload" after I do a Reset wash.

I think the Guz is spot on with the Fusion wax theory. Why would they not recommend a wax topping when they sell it?

 

[fightnews]

Bob McKee is the former owner of Pinnacle Black Label, Pinnacle Natural Brilliance, BLACKFIRE Car Care, Wolfgang Car Care, and Marine 31. When Bob sold Autogeek to the Hulman-George family last fall, he sold EVERYTHING except McKee's 37, McKee's RV and the real estate. Autogeek is a distributor of McKee's 37 / McKee's RV, not the manufacturer.

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I understand that and I thought PBL and the mckees coating were both designed by him and his team? Do you know about the coating from PBL and the claim of being designed to be topped by wax?

Does the mckees coating share that feature?

 

[fightnews]

I did not say that wax is going to bond to some coating than others. The self cleaning effect of a coating is what will keep the wax from bonding longer than it would on uncoated paint.

Again there is no rule against topping a coating. You can top any coating to your hearts content.

Here is my recommendation. Pick a coating and play around with it. You will see what works and does not work. Part of the fun is experimenting rather than over thinking it.

I'm not over thinking it I'm doing a normal amount of thinking. Unless any thinking at all is considered over thinking? These days it definitly seems that way.....

I had narrowed down to 2 coatings. No reason to waste money right?

1 of the 2 coatings advertises that it was formulated to be topped with carnuba. The other 1 does not. Given the similarities stated I don't think it's asking to much to know if both of these coatings share that feature or not?

Nick was in here I'm sure he could of shed some light on the subject. I prob should have emailed customer service. Anyway I've lost my patience with this thread and can clearly see it going around in circles. I bought both coatings. Whichever one I don't use I will flush down the toilet.

 

[MattPersman]

That's cause there is no concrete data or information on the coatings. They aren't making it in the back room of autogeek or mckees. They are provided a coating sometimes after many revisions and they sell it as brand x y or z. They may have input on "we want it silica based" or "we want it in a spray bottle" etc.

You just won't get the data you are looking for

You just need to put your faith in the company and chemists that are making the products.


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[inzer585]

Bob McKee is the former owner of Pinnacle Black Label, Pinnacle Natural Brilliance, BLACKFIRE Car Care, Wolfgang Car Care, and Marine 31. When Bob sold Autogeek to the Hulman-George family last fall, he sold EVERYTHING except McKee's 37, McKee's RV and the real estate. Autogeek is a distributor of McKee's 37 / McKee's RV, not the manufacturer.

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Not to get off topic, but is Sonax now part of the PBMG? I noticed on the site on the pulldown menu that PBMG brands are usually at the top and Mckees has been moved to the bottom and Sonax is at the top now with PBMG brands. There seems to be much more ads for Sonax on Autogeek. Not that its a bad thing though.

As far as topping a coating. I plan on using Black Label Paint Coating and then 24 hours later topping it with Black Label Paint Sealant. Sounds like a good combo for Ohio's winter for my daily driver.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

The pinnacle coating says specifically it was designed to be topped with a wax. It's not over complicating to assume it is different then another coating that was not designed to be topped.

From what I could gather, they don't mention that it was *designed* to be topped, but it *can* be topped; appears their language is a bit ambiguous. Given their specific mention of Pinnacle Souveran, could be they're just trying to sell wax in addition to the coating...which is a disservice to their customers in my eyes. They tout the self-cleaning abilities of their coating, then suggest a wax that'll pretty much mask the self-cleaning behavior the tout as one of the benefits of their coating. I think whoever writes their ad copy/product descriptions needs to decide just what the main benefit of the coating is and not include extra language to suggest another product that'll mask one of the touted aspects of the coating.

Black Label Diamond Paint Coating with its nano-glass formula is resistant to alkaline cleaners, degreasers, and harsh detergents. Compared to your clear coat, Diamond Paint Coating is more resistant to scratches and marring. The nano-glass formula forms such a hard shell of protection that virtually nothing can penetrate or stick to it, making your vehicle retain that just-detailed shine for years!

Another advantage to Black Label Diamond Paint Coating is the self-cleaning effect that it provides. The nano-glass formula fills in the microscopic pits, pores, and valleys of your vehicle’s paint, creating a perfectly smooth, flat surface. Dirt and road grime will be removed with virtually no effort, making your vehicle easier to clean and maintain.

Surface care products that bear the Pinnacle name are expected to outshine anything else available, and Diamond Paint Coating is no exception. After being treated, vehicles will look as though molten glass was poured over them creating the appearance of a silky, glass-like shine that causes light to reflect, not refract. Diamond Paint Coating can be topped with your favorite carnauba wax, like Pinnacle Souveran, to add a warm carnauba glow.