Tried the Big Red Sponge today...

[Whacky]

When people are doing the GD method with the MF towels, are they saving their ONR solution for the next time like a lot of people do with the BRS?

 

[Finick]

When people are doing the GD method with the MF towels, are they saving their ONR solution for the next time like a lot of people do with the BRS?

I never bothered to, but I’m sure other people do.

I’d mix up 3/4 of a gallon to wash with and I’d end up with barely any left over


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[Whacky]

Good point. If you just using a set amount of MF towels, without placing dirty towels back in solution, how much ONR wash solution are you really gonna need to have prepared?

3/4 gallon and a handful of MF vs. 4-5 gallons and 1 BRS to be reused.

I do like the idea of using new, clean solution each time, but don't like the idea of wasting ONR.

 

[Eldorado2k]

IMO and experience both are safe when done correctly. Being in Ohio with tons of salt and sand being used and coating our vehicles, I feel I have a great test-bed to show how Rinseless with the GD Method is safe. Both our vehicles are perfect and I know it's because of the technique used more than anything. When I use the GD Method, there's little pressure used and I "roll" the end of the MF Towel so that when I'm wiping the dirt-line that appears is wider than most. FWIW when I bucket wash in the summer in traditional wash method, I don't "agitate" or wipe back and forth.

Here's one of rags folded. Each side allows for two passes. It's folded 8 times allowing for 16 passes with a clean edge thus when I'm done the rags are pretty dirty as I don't waste much surface area on them. They key is to 'load-up' the surface with plenty of solution. Combined with a very soaked up rag, the water that releases combined with what's on the panel, literally flows the water and dirt off the car.

Here's an example of what we deal with here and I have no problem with rinseless washes on it.

So you roll your wash mitt when doing a bucket wash?

And here’s something I’ve never understood... There’s alot of people who show an example of their dirty vehicle pre rinseless wash [not saying that your pic was taken immediately before you wiped it down with that towel] and then they show their towel after a pass and the towel is nearly completely clean. [Pan the Orginizer comes to mind]... How in the world is that possible? How can a panel be visibly dirty 1 second, and the next second their towel has pulled up absolutely nothing?

I went outside just now and took a picture of my cars door. It doesn’t even look dirty, right?

I sprayed down just the top half of the door with waterless wash and wiped it down. Excuse the streaks, I only had 1 towel and didn’t want to interfere with what was left on the face of the towel...

This is what the towel looks like from just the top half of my cars door. Keep in mind my car isn’t even visibly dirty! Why does nobodys towel ever look like this after supposedly rinseless washing their dirty vehicle? I refuse to believe that dirt somehow magically disappears. What’s the real deal?

 

[Finick]

I agree. Here was 4 towels I used a couple days ago for a waterless wash, pretty gross looking. Fourth one at the top didn’t come up that dirty for whatever reason.

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[Eldorado2k]

And here’s that same side of the towel after I went back outside and waterless washed the lower portion of that same door. And this is when my car isn’t even visibly dirty.

What gives?

 

[Finick]

Well you know Darren priest does say not all dirt is created equally.. we clearly just have dirty dirt


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[Eldorado2k]

Btw, my Lake Country “Big Blue” Sponge just arrived tonight... Why is there so many copycats in the detailing industry? I guess it’s a form of flattery, but can’t they at least come up with their own name? [I’m pretty sure this $5.99 Big Blue Sponge came out before the $25 Big Red Sponge] Talk about a fleecing! Lol.

I’m not vouching for this sponge method just yet... But I believe in don’t knock it till you try it, so I’m gonna try it.

 

[FUNX650]

“Therein”, may lay the rub...


Bob

 

[Tempest45]

Blue and Red sponges are very different. The blue is much more firm with much larger cells. The BRS is softer with very small cells.

I'm sure optimum and retailers are doing well with the BRS but there is an obvious quality difference between the two.

The BRS is actually softer on the paint than microfiber. It's supposed to be primarily an applicator rather than a scrub tool.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Blue and Red sponges are very different. The blue is much more firm with much larger cells. The BRS is softer with very small cells.

I'm sure optimum and retailers are doing well with the BRS but there is an obvious quality difference between the two.

The BRS is actually softer on the paint than microfiber. It's supposed to be primarily an applicator rather than a scrub tool.

1. This Blue Sponge is actually alot softer than I expected, after hearing so much about how firm and coarse it supposedly was.

2. I’m sure they are too, that’s a given since they’re only charging 4x the amount of the Blue 1. It’s easy money. Lol.

3. It better be a hell of alot more than just an applicator or else I’m gonna rip it a new 1 in my review. I’ve got plenty of spray bottles that do more than fine at applying waterless/rinseless wash solution.

 

[bfielder32087]

I ordered the BRS and had received it recently so Tuesday I decided to give it a try on my not too dirty car. Had probably only been a week since it was washed last and we haven't gotten any real snow near me and definitely not enough to throw salt so any salt residue that may have been on the car was just leftover dust from the stuff that had been on the ground for a while

Anyways I was pretty pleased. I was shocked at how smoothly it went across the paint especially considering my car hasn't been clayed in a little over a year and isn't sealed or coated or anything like that (will be doing a contamination, polish and seal when the weather warms up) Anyways as I said very smooth. I pre soaked with a bottle of ONR that was filled just from my bucket mixture. I always pre soak whether it's filthy or just a bit dusty. Went over a panel with one side of the sponge and flipped to the other side and went over again. Took a damp MF towel that was misted with ONR and went over it and then followed with a final waffle weave drying towel.

After using the sponge and going over the paint with the damp microfiber I wasn't picking up much dirt at all. There were some spots where the towel picked up some noticeable dirt but as a whole not bad at all. The final pass with the waffle weave I only picked up a tiny bit of dirt on one pass. I assume I had probably just missed a small spot when washing.

Now I've only used it once so I can't sit here and say definitely that it's the only way I'll ever use ONR again BUT if I continue to get the same results in the future it will be.

 

[Finick]

I had posted on the optimum Facebook group on a post about the sponge, saturation levels, and it picking up dirt, and Yvan was kind enough to respond (albeit with stuff I’d heard him say before, but it was nice to get some confirmation from him nonetheless.)

He always drives home the point to have it just in the verge of dripping, although I think it could be beneficial to expand and add that if the sponge is too saturated with solution it’ll have no capacity to pick up dirt.. which might seem obvious to some, but my take away was just that it was a waste of product and made a mess. Never occurred to me it had a functional purpose.


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[Eldorado2k]

So how long do I have to pre soak the sponge before I use it? Just overnight is ok?

 

[Tempest45]

Overnight is good.

Are you using uber?

 

[Eldorado2k]

Overnight is good.

Are you using uber?

That’s D114 in that bucket. How does that pair with it? Should I have used Uber?

 

[The Guz]

That’s D114 in that bucket. How does that pair with it? Should I have used Uber?

You will get a lot of suds with the sponge with D114 and N914. D114 and N914 clean better than ONR but ONR encapsulates dirt better.

No clue on Uber.

 

[bfielder32087]

Overnight is good. I soaked my BRS two nights just simply because that's when I got around to using it.

 

[howardm4]

IMO, 'overnight' is a waste of time. Mix up your product, throw the sponge in and let it sit it sit for a few minutes, squeeze it a bit under water and then start using it. Even if the sponge is not totally wet (which, in reality, it will be), you're never going to press hard enough on the sponge to matter. Also, you're going to squeeze out MUCH of the water anyway (so the sponge has the Optimum (pun intended) amount of water to pickup dirt and not just flood the area (which doesn't work that well)), not only does the water fall off the sponge, the squeeze forces water into the center of the sponge.

Here in salty Boston area, I've taken to spraying down a side of the car w/ a 2x ONR Rinseless dilution to get much of the crud off, then UWW+ as my Rinseless, then a finish w/ ECH2O/Reload light spray (QD) for drying and shine.

YMMV

 

[Klasse Act]

Best post here so far, first sentence is spot on!

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