Is it ok to top HD Speed with a sealant?

Eldorado2k said:
The so called ease of use means squat if the paint looks like crap 4 weeks later... I had to clay and polish these defects off.

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Eldo, how long did you let Speed set before wipe off?

I remember a post from David Fermani saying that durability increased when let to dry for at least fifteen minutes.

There was another forum member who had great water behavior like four or five months after application. I can't remember if it was a daily driver or not..

Dave owns the busiest production shop in Metro Detroit, serving multiple dealerships. Not one of those cars leaves without being hit with Speed. If they need correction they use D300 on mf pads, but if not, it's speed on foam.

He took me on his lot and showed me some cars done with Speed only. He pointed out that no, they were not show car perfect, but looked more than acceptable for the dealer lot. In my opinion, they looked incredible. This was even after his professional affiliation with 3D had concluded.

Just some food for thought.

I used HD Speed once at a friend's shop. It was super easy to apply and even easier to remove, cleaned up the paint very well, and was slick upon removal. Personally I didn't find those characteristics to exceed my experiences with M66, which I'm much more familiar with.
 
Where I'm at presently is 2 passes with an AIO and I'm done. If it needs more than that to look decent, than you should probably hit it with a compound first.
 
dlc95 said:
Eldo, how long did you let Speed set before wipe off?

I remember a post from David Fermani saying that durability increased when let to dry for at least fifteen minutes.

There was another forum member who had great water behavior like four or five months after application. I can't remember if it was a daily driver or not..

Dave owns the busiest production shop in Metro Detroit, serving multiple dealerships. Not one of those cars leaves without being hit with Speed. If they need correction they use D300 on mf pads, but if not, it's speed on foam.

He took me on his lot and showed me some cars done with Speed only. He pointed out that no, they were not show car perfect, but looked more than acceptable for the dealer lot. In my opinion, they looked incredible. This was even after his professional affiliation with 3D had concluded.

Just some food for thought.

I used HD Speed once at a friend's shop. It was super easy to apply and even easier to remove, cleaned up the paint very well, and was slick upon removal. Personally I didn't find those characteristics to exceed my experiences with M66, which I'm much more familiar with.
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I polished the whole truck while it hazed.
This black Denali has less than 5k miles on it and the paint was not perfect, but bearly even touched when I layed hands on it. Perfect after polishing it with HD Speed and Orange HD Orbital Foam Polishing Pads w/G21. There’s no denying it looks and feels good upon completion. My issue is 4 weeks later without anyone touching the paint it’s now etched from just the outdoor condensation/dirt/water spots that I was nearly able to remove with claybar but couldn’t 100% so I had to polish the defects away.

Here’s my initial post detailing my experience w/pics. The paint was Perfect and I was more than happy... 4 weeks later I regret leaving HD Speed as the last layer on that black paint.

What did you do today detailing related?
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...net/forum/showpost.php?p=1567444&share_type=t
 
Eldorado2k said:
I polished the whole truck while it hazed.
This black Denali has less than 5k miles on it and the paint was not perfect, but bearly even touched when I layed hands on it. Perfect after polishing it with HD Speed and Orange HD Orbital Foam Polishing Pads w/G21. There’s no denying it looks and feels good upon completion. My issue is 4 weeks later without anyone touching the paint it’s now etched from just the outdoor condensation/dirt/water spots that I was nearly able to remove with claybar but couldn’t 100% so I had to polish the defects away.

Here’s my initial post detailing my experience w/pics. The paint was Perfect and I was more than happy... 4 weeks later I regret leaving HD Speed as the last layer on that black paint.

What did you do today detailing related?
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...net/forum/showpost.php?p=1567444&share_type=t
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It just may have fallen short then..
 
@dlc95. Btw this outcome is very reminiscent, but not as bad as the experience I once had with another AIO, Griots Boss Finishing Sealant... Here’s my post detailing the eye opening experience I had with that. Very similar, but not quite as bad, yet in both cases I had to use an abrasive polish to remove the defects/etching it seemed to allow to happen, and that’s putting it nicely. I’d bet my life these defects would’ve never happened on their own. In both cases.

Interesting 50/50 test results..
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...net/forum/showpost.php?p=1396491&share_type=t
 
Eldorado2k said:
@dlc95. Btw this outcome is very reminiscent, but not as bad as the experience I once had with another AIO, Griots Boss Finishing Sealant... Here’s my post detailing the eye opening experience I had with that. Very similar, but not quite as bad, yet in both cases I had to use an abrasive polish to remove the defects/etching it seemed to allow to happen, and that’s putting it nicely. I’d bet my life these defects would’ve never happened on their own. In both cases.

Interesting 50/50 test results..
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...net/forum/showpost.php?p=1396491&share_type=t
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Interesting!

What was your normal cleaner wax?
 
dlc95 said:
Interesting!

What was your normal cleaner wax?
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I’ve never really thought about it like all that, but I guess it would have to go to Megs D151. I’ve had a gallon for a few years and have had some pretty good results with it. Longevity of its protection is poor but what else is new? Lol. I like it’s consistency as far as the way it comes out of the bottle onto the pad. I can use it heavy without it getting soggy. IMO it really is “bubba proof” and that’s always felt good about it. I also like using it to clean up neglected plastic chrome trim on newer vehicles. It’s usually able to remove minor pitting from it. It’s like metal polish light.

But generally I’ve never really been a fan of AIO’s. I don’t like to put my name and reputation alongside the lackluster protection they leave behind. They do look pretty good upon completion though..
 
Eldorado2k said:
This past weekend I did a maintenance detail on the black Denali that I polished with HD Speed 4 weeks prior.

So it’s been 4 weeks and pretty much everything that was good about HD Speed was no longer around. For example the beading was all but gone on the horizontal panels,

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And the beading that was there on the vertical panels was nothing to write home about... The paint had lost all of its initial smoothness [trying to dry the vehicle without a drying aid was not going to happen] And worst of all, the hood had somehow developed etching all over it in the form of what looked like water spots.

It was kind of hard to take a picture of them.

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I was able to remove them about 85% by using a claybar.

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But not good enough to make me happy, so I had to break out the polisher w/M205 to get the paint back to perfect.. This experience has me thinking I should’ve never trusted HD Speed to protect [even in the short term]

So my question: Is it ok to top HD Speed with a sealant immediately after polishing with it? I think I’ve heard people say they like to use this in place of a normal polish, so what’s the official word? And no I’m not about to do an IPA wipedown after I polish, so that would be out of the question.
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You could or just use something like 3500 and top with a sealant. Probably better off with the former.....

Good to know I think I just had the same issue with Blackfire 1 step. Used it on my roof then it seemed like nothing was there 4 weeks later.
 
dlc95 said:
Eldo, how long did you let Speed set before wipe off?

I remember a post from David Fermani saying that durability increased when let to dry for at least fifteen minutes.

There was another forum member who had great water behavior like four or five months after application. I can't remember if it was a daily driver or not..

Dave owns the busiest production shop in Metro Detroit, serving multiple dealerships. Not one of those cars leaves without being hit with Speed. If they need correction they use D300 on mf pads, but if not, it's speed on foam.

He took me on his lot and showed me some cars done with Speed only. He pointed out that no, they were not show car perfect, but looked more than acceptable for the dealer lot. In my opinion, they looked incredible. This was even after his professional affiliation with 3D had concluded.

Just some food for thought.

I used HD Speed once at a friend's shop. It was super easy to apply and even easier to remove, cleaned up the paint very well, and was slick upon removal. Personally I didn't find those characteristics to exceed my experiences with M66, which I'm much more familiar with.
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It was probably a staged video
 
Eldorado2k said:
@dlc95. Btw this outcome is very reminiscent, but not as bad as the experience I once had with another AIO, Griots Boss Finishing Sealant... Here’s my post detailing the eye opening experience I had with that. Very similar, but not quite as bad, yet in both cases I had to use an abrasive polish to remove the defects/etching it seemed to allow to happen, and that’s putting it nicely. I’d bet my life these defects would’ve never happened on their own. In both cases.

Interesting 50/50 test results..
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...net/forum/showpost.php?p=1396491&share_type=t
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Really??? Speed and now Griots too..???

If what you're saying is true---My life is over!!!

I know that you'll only get a month out of the deal but...etching?

Did wife's Subie and a neighbor's suv a year ago. Paint still looks fine. However, Did hit both cars with a spray on wax/sealant a couple months after using speed.

The Subaru got the OCW a couple months after speed---seems to revive the paint.
Hit the neighbor's SUV with Meguire's spray wax...It also held up for rest of the year.

Just thinking out loud here...the key to successful paint is to simply just keep to the paint clean.

If one doesn't clean paint on a more frequent basis, no matter what product used, paint will look worst. Especially if one doesn't clean their cars for over a month.

Just thinking out loud here. I've seen this "etching" happen after a nice detail and that's usually when a owner is careless and doesn't do anything to the cars after couple months or so.

Tom
 
mwoywod said:
There isn't an AIO that is perfect at everything.
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Correct.

When it comes to cleaner/waxes or all-in-ones, (same exact type of product), the product is doing three things at the same time,

Clean or correct
Polish
Protect

A one-step product and process will never work as well as using "dedicated" products and multiple-step processes. I cover this in all my classes, it's why I teach show car detailing and production detailing. It's the portion of the classes that is the most fun. Using multiple multiple tools, pads and products.



custmsprty said:
A little polish, a little cut and a little protection.
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Correct.


:)
 
One more thing before I move on....


What I've been topping my one-step cleaner/waxes with is SONAX Polymer Net Shield.

Easily get 6 months of water beading as long as whoever is washing it is washing it carefully.


Remember - how long any product lasts on the surface in part comes from how the surface is "touched".



:)
 
I have thought about what could work in synergy with Speed exept Poxy. The thought I have about is something with montan wax in it. What comes to mind is dodo juice blue velvet wax or dodo juice purple haze that has montan in it. Could something like that be an option?
 
Those should definitely be great options. I’ve also noticed the last few weeks that Blackfire polymers go great with Poxy on black paint (I’ve been using Blackfire polymer spray and waterless wash). This leads me to believe that Blackfire sealant, BlackIce or Midnight Sun would look great on top of Speed.
 
Last summer I polished my wife's car with Speed, applied a coat of Poxy and then a coat of Ultimate Fast Finish (since it's designed to go on top of other Waxes and Sealants). Looks great and still beading like crazy and the car stays very clean.

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Eldorado2k said:
Someone mentioned the new Blackfire One Step? Shall we have a 3 way duel?

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You must have psychic powers.... I just found my flashlight after it had been missing for almost 2 weeks! It’s coming with me.lol.

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Let’s see this duel!
 
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