Newly CanCoated car - door scratched - what to do.

[stylo]

Unfortunately this is not the case. Budget correct me if I am wrong but didn’t you speak to a Gyeon rep and they mentioned that CanCoat has 30% SiO2.

I had a look earlier ... it's SiO2 content is >10% so I expected some protection .. but clearly didn't get that much.

Again, as you guys have mentioned, it was never advertised to provide scratch resistance ... just the other stuff they advertise like gloss, water repelling, self cleaning etc.

CANCOAT - Gyeon Quartz Australia

 

[BudgetPlan1]

Unfortunately this is not the case. Budget correct me if I am wrong but didn’t you speak to a Gyeon rep and they mentioned that CanCoat has 30% SiO2.

yep, despite website specs (which I guess is technically correct) the number mentioned to me 25-30%

You may want to play with the combination of Mohs + CanCoat. Seems like a favorite amongst Gyeon users.

Gyeon Primer Polish definitely does add increased longevity.

This. While durable, Mohs by itself has rather unentertaining water behavior and is more 'shiny' than glossy; CanCoat on Mohs fixes that right up.

Go with Syncro. 2-3 coats of Mohs then Skin = PERFECTION and a SUPER hydrophobic property. You'll love it. Mohs is super easy to apply too.

I'm not yet convinced of the durability of the Skin component. About 8 months in, it's starting to fade a bit, hold on to more dirt. Time will tell.

 

[The Guz]

I'm not yet convinced of the durability of the Skin component. About 8 months in, it's starting to fade a bit, hold on to more dirt. Time will tell.

Noticing the same thing with Syncro and I have it at 10 months. Noticed the decrease in self cleaning at about the 6 month mark.

 

[TTQ B4U]

yep, despite website specs (which I guess is technically correct) the number mentioned to me 25-30%

This. While durable, Mohs by itself has rather unentertaining water behavior and is more 'shiny' than glossy; CanCoat on Mohs fixes that right up.

I'm not yet convinced of the durability of the Skin component. About 8 months in, it's starting to fade a bit, hold on to more dirt. Time will tell.

Noticing the same thing with Syncro and I have it at 10 months. Noticed the decrease in self cleaning at about the 6 month mark.

My wife's car was done in April and still going strong like Day 1. I'm going to clean it up and apply a 2nd coat in Nov. over the Turkey day Holiday to ensure it's good through winter or at least better.

Otherwise, Mine and hers are both going strong still.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

My wife's car was done in April and still going strong like Day 1. I'm going to clean it up and apply a 2nd coat in Nov. over the Turkey day Holiday to ensure it's good through winter or at least better.

Otherwise, Mine and hers are both going strong still.

To be fair, my test vehicle was a brand new, 2018 Ford Transit (Victory Red) that I applied it to about 13k miles ago and has rec'd no maintenance outside of what Mother Nature and occasional touchless tunnel wash (soap/rinse only) has provided so that's possibly a point worthy of consideration. Some products seem to do better in that kinda condition/scenario than others though.

Coatings and Fleet use is kinda interesting, considering that coatings are currently near the top of the food chain, LSP/protection-wise (and cost-wise). For a fleet vehicle, tiny scratches and marring are inevitable (and to a certain degree, irrelevant) and the main focus is pulling into a driveway with a vehicle that, from 3 to 5 feet away, always looks freshly washed. The ability to maintain this 'kinda clean' finish without having to touch the vehicle for 6 to 8 months is really quite beneficial...and is more than occasionally noticed by clients as well, which is always nice. But, as usual...I digress.

 

[TTQ B4U]

To be fair, my test vehicle was a brand new, 2018 Ford Transit (Victory Red) that I applied it to about 13k miles ago and has rec'd no maintenance outside of what Mother Nature and occasional touchless tunnel wash (soap/rinse only) has provided so that's possibly a point worthy of consideration. Some products seem to do better in that kinda condition/scenario than others though.

So it's a typical customer car and care Im the MAN

My guess is the combination of harsher soaps and residual scum left on it are impacting the hydrophobic properties. I had a customer I used can-coat on come to be about 3 months later stating that he felt the coating was gone after similar care. He's a neighbor so I washed it up quick with some Reset Wash and viola, it come back to full hydrophobic property level and he was pleased.

Worst case, and I may do this....to keep the hydrophobic insanity on hers, I will hit it with Can-coat vs Skin during winter. What I like about Skin is the slickness of it. I do a lot of cars with Mohs so I have a few extra bottles of skin around as I buy the Syncro kits vs products separately.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

All I am really after is to prevent/minimise swirls/scratches from washing - Now, I speak with from experience with my previous car which was professionally coated with Opticoat +.

I'm a little out of the loop on these newer coatings, but I think you are expecting too much from an enthusiast coating vs. a professionally applied coating...I know Optimum withdrew their retail product that was most like Opti-Coat Pro, and my understanding was the same for CQuartz and some others that the "best" product was reserved for the authorized installers and that none of the consumer-available products were comparable.

That doesn't mean that the consumer products aren't good and that you won't be able to achieve your goal with them, just that they are a step down from what the coating mfrs. make available to their pro installers.

 

[Desertnate]

Are the certified professional installed products an improvement over consumer-grade when it comes to marring resistance?

I can see those products being different/better in other characteristics like durability, but I have a hard time believing any coating product would live up to the hardness and "scratch resistance" claims stated by the marketing departments.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Are the certified professional installed products an improvement over consumer-grade when it comes to marring resistance?

I can see those products being different/better in other characteristics like durability, but I have a hard time believing any coating product would live up to the hardness and "scratch resistance" claims stated by the marketing departments.

I don't know...I do know that Opti-Coat Pro (and the withdrawn Opti-Coat 2.0) are SiC coatings vs. the more usual SiO2, and that Gloss-Coat is an SiO2 or a hybrid of the two. I guess my point is that the OP is hoping for Opti-Coat Pro+ performance out of a DIY product, and I'm not sure that is a valid starting point.

PS Again, I'm not saying the consumer-grade coatings aren't good, it's just that for reasons that have been argued/discussed in other threads, the coating mfrs. reserve their best products for the pro installers.

 

[The Guz]

My wife's car was done in April and still going strong like Day 1. I'm going to clean it up and apply a 2nd coat in Nov. over the Turkey day Holiday to ensure it's good through winter or at least better.

Otherwise, Mine and hers are both going strong still.

Syncro has been on my dad's car that I see weekly and wash weekly/bi-weekly and at this point I am starting to question the performance of it and the price point of it. Sure Skin is slick and fun to watch, but if it starts to lose its water behavior and self cleaning effect so soon then is it really worth it for the price point that Gyeon asks for it. Not to mention the areas that have failed within 8 months. I will also mention that I used Gyeon Primer Polish and let that sit for 24 hours prior to application of Syncro. I had high hopes for Syncro but those are slowly fading. I will capture my thoughts at the one year mark and determine if I want to keep it.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

So it's a typical customer car and care Im the MAN

Pretty much :lol:

I did our HR lady's little Honda HR-V with some Gyeon One (topped with CanCoat) last January and was standing out in the rain this summer watching the water roll off of it quite nicely. She seems to take pretty good care of her car so I asked her if it was washed regularly and what did she use to wash it. She says yes, it gets washed weekly...using Dawn or Joy dishwashing soap. Certainly not recommended but I have to say, the water behavior was still quite nice about 6-7 months after application. FWIW, she says she prefers Joy over Dawn for some reason I didn't catch.

My guess is the combination of harsher soaps and residual scum left on it are impacting the hydrophobic properties. I had a customer I used can-coat on come to be about 3 months later stating that he felt the coating was gone after similar care. He's a neighbor so I washed it up quick with some Reset Wash and viola, it come back to full hydrophobic property level and he was pleased.

Quite possible but at the same time, coatings that excel in self-cleaning perform very well/better in these situations despite the admitted low maintenance. Some products just seem to stay cleaner with little to low maintenance.

A surprising nice combo is turning out to be Gtechnic CSL topped with Gyeon CanCoat. The brilliance and gloss of the CSL is still apparent and the CanCoat pops it up a bit and really keeps it clean. CSL with C2V3 was an absolute nightmare as far as self cleaning went.

Some products seem to stand out in situations that involve very low maintenance.

 

[WristyManchego]

A few people here talking about consumer v professional. One of the bros in Melbourne did a top vid on Carpro ceramics. It might adjust your expectation in the opposite way.

YouTube

 

[WristyManchego]

...she says she prefers Joy over Dawn for some reason I didn’t catch

Excuse my French but f**k me.

What surprises me is the lass probably throws on a dash of makeup every morning and moisturises every night but never thinks to apply the same care to her paint or leather.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

Excuse my French but f**k me.

What surprises me is the lass probably throws on a dash of makeup every morning and moisturises every night but never thinks to apply the same care to her paint or leather.

More than a dash, my friend...more than a dash.

Well, at least she washes her car, that's something and it has proven that Gyeon One + CanCoat is impervious to dishwashing soap...so far.

 

[WristyManchego]

More than a dash, my friend...more than a dash.

Well, at least she washes her car, that's something and it has proven that Gyeon One + CanCoat is impervious to dishwashing soap...so far.

Top test to stand up to.

 

[Calendyr]

Unfortunately this is not the case. Budget correct me if I am wrong but didn’t you speak to a Gyeon rep and they mentioned that CanCoat has 30% SiO2.

Budget put it perfectly on CanCoat.

You must be thinking of Cure which would fall in the same category as Reload.

You are right, I was thinking of Cure. Don't use any of the Gyeon products, mixed them up in my mind.

Cancoat is their budget coating, that for me has no place being sold. You can use McKee's coating that offers 4 times the protection at a lower price point. Don't see a reason to use Cancoat.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

You are right, I was thinking of Cure. Don't use any of the Gyeon products, mixed them up in my mind.

Cancoat is their budget coating, that for me has no place being sold. You can use McKee's coating that offers 4 times the protection at a lower price point. Don't see a reason to use Cancoat.

Oh no!!! I love me some CanCoat! Such a quick and easy way to drop 6 months of self cleaning, candy-gloss goodness...easy as a QD to use. Biggest surprise was how much it enhanced CSL, filling in CSL's shortcomings (in my eyes, anyway).

 

[TTQ B4U]

Cancoat is their budget coating, that for me has no place being sold. You can use McKee's coating that offers 4 times the protection at a lower price point. Don't see a reason to use Cancoat.

yes/no. McKee's last longer but CanCoat is 100x better in terms of its hydrophobic and self cleaning properties. I offer CanCoat as an upgrade to a standard sealant. Up from there for longevity sake is McKee's and upwards from there to CarPro and GYEON products.

 

[stylo]

A few people here talking about consumer v professional. One of the bros in Melbourne did a top vid on Carpro ceramics. It might adjust your expectation in the opposite way.

YouTube

Thanks for the video - there's very little in it isn't there.

If I can save paying $1400 from getting the job done professionally I am happy.

I will however adjust my expectations somewhat that I may not / will not get the same longevity out of the enthusiast coating

Thanks for all the information guys.

 

[Desertnate]

yes/no. McKee's last longer but CanCoat is 100x better in terms of its hydrophobic and self cleaning properties. I offer CanCoat as an upgrade to a standard sealant. Up from there for longevity sake is McKee's and upwards from there to CarPro and GYEON products.

Having used both the McKee's and the CanCoat on several of my personal vehicles I agree. I found McKee's to look and behave no different than most good sealants...only it lasts 4x longer. I agree to the comments above. CanCoat looks far better and the hydrophobic properties are far suprior to M37. I'm looking at going back to coatings when my CanCoat runs out. When it does, I'll skip the McKee's and go straight to CarPro or similar.

Another point regarding the pricing of CanCoat. For the price of a can of CanCoat, I think it will go much farther than a bottle of McKee's. With McKee's, I was able to coat two small cars and a mid-sized SUV with enough left over to possibly coat one more small car. With CanCoat, I've coated the same mid-size SUV and one of the same two small car twice with plenty left over to do the same many times over.

Something else to consider: After opening the bottle of McKee's coating it will start to degrade. I noticed when using the McKee's six months after my first use, it didn't spread as easily and flashed faster. Nine months later the McKee's was harder yet to apply. At the one year point, the coating was very difficult to apply and I tossed the bottle. I've also noticed that application at the one year point has not heald up very well either. CanCoat on the other hand at the six month point was just as easy to apply as it was the first day I opened it. I don't forsee having to waste any product because it's no longer usable and will still get more than enough applications from the can to make it a reasonable option.