Mother's CMX CERAMIC SPRAY COATING

hogie said:
I have an old towel that came with my either turtle wax ice or Eagleone Nano wax (from way back in the day). It won't absorb water at all. I am not surprised that new formulas have the same end result.
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I have towels that become hydrophobic, but that doesn’t stop me from tossing them in the washing machine. That’s why there’s a hot water setting and good microfiber detergents to choose from.

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Forrest, do you have an ETA yet for the release of this product?

Btw, washing mf towels in hot water isn't the best idea, the heat can damage the fibers. Treat them well and they'll treat you well (more importantly treat your paint finish well]

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Klasse Act said:
Forrest, do you have an ETA yet for the release of this product?

Btw, washing mf towels in hot water isn't the best idea, the heat can damage the fibers. Treat them well and they'll treat you well (more importantly treat your paint finish well]

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They have posted the ETA a few post up for online and stores.

I've found that warm water to wash and no heat to dry is the best method for washing the towels

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Klasse Act said:
Btw, washing mf towels in hot water isn't the best idea, the heat can damage the fibers. Treat them well and they'll treat you well (more importantly treat your paint finish well]

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If my microfiber towels are heavily soiled I wash them on hot water setting. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with using hot water. Griots Garage even recommends it on their label.

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There’s people who’ve been known to boil their microfiber towels with no adverse effects.

There’s alot of misinformation regarding heat and microfiber on our end [detailers] I honestly think we’ve been fed incorrect information. Iirc the whole heat issue is in regards to how it’s manufactured, not so much how the final product is handled. I could be wrong on the details but I heard the real deal a long time ago, and it didn’t come from the detailing world.. It came from a manufacturer.

Have you ever used your steamer? I bet you used it with microfiber towels, because last time I checked that’s how every detailer on youtube preaches the gospel. Were they completely ruined afterwards? No. So how does anyone explain that?
 
Well, I'm following the directions for the best mf towels I've ever used. These towels have been constructed to HIS specs and I can only assume he got the care info from his mfg directly and it says cold water and if you can't air dry them, then low to no heat tumble dry. I know this, I love these towels and I'm following the rules

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forrest@mothers said:
No, they don't harden but they do repel water really well.
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This! Since I’ve been testing several SiO2 topper type products my towels, even after being washed, repel water. I’m going to start using one type of towel for these type of product and wash them separately. They DO cross contaminate also. I tried vinegar, extra soap, extra hot water, washing twice, and nothing helped. I can’t pinpoint which product caused the problem since I tested 12 or so. Just a warning to other Geeks. I ruined about 50 towels and it never had happened before.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
This! Since I’ve been testing several SiO2 topper type products my towels, even after being washed, repel water. I’m going to start using one type of towel for these type of product and wash them separately. They DO cross contaminate also. I tried vinegar, extra soap, extra hot water, washing twice, and nothing helped. I can’t pinpoint which product caused the problem since I tested 12 or so. Just a warning to other Geeks. I ruined about 50 towels and it never had happened before.
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This creates a new standard. The more we know the better.
 
Dryer heat ruined some of my towels both on holding water and ability to clean the rag company talks about what heat does to the fiber. I just remember heat over a certain temp is bad.... but can’t remember what the temp was it was a YouTube video collaboration between Pan @ Rag Company caring for microfiber or something like that
 
warm water with an extra rinse cycle and into the dryer on the lowest heat setting. been doing this for years with great results...
 
While I haven't experimented with any of this new generation of SIO2 spray waxes, I've found soaking my MF towels after applying CanCoat has prevented them from becoming hydrophobic or crusty/hard.

Before I start the application I fill a small bucket with water and drop in a small measure of APC. The minute I finish with a towel I'll dunk it in the bucket and it will stay there for the day. The towels then go from the bucket to the washing machine. So far, I've been able to do multiple applications with the same set of towels. I don't have many, so I have to make them last as long as possible.
 
Please keep in mind coming up with a method of cleaning towels isn't simply finding a way that works for 1 person.

We have to consider water hardness (since it varies by area of the country), washer type (front load/top load/HE), detergent and more. What works in Huntington Beach CA may not work in Huntington Station NY. There are literally hundreds of variables that have to be tested. That's why it takes months.

Yes, we've been working on it. Believe it or not, it takes quite a while. You think locally, we have to think globally.

Imagine the beating we'd take on this forum if we gave a suggested cleaning routine and it didn't work - that's why, with all due respect, it's not done yet.

And don't even get me started on dryers.
 
VISITOR said:
warm water with an extra rinse cycle and into the dryer on the lowest heat setting. been doing this for years with great results...
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Me too, until I started playing with these new SiO2 sprays. I dry on the delicate setting and I make sure to wipe down the dryer drum before drying. I had hoped I could get my towels back to accepting water if I washed a few more times with hot water trying to remove the SiO2/polymers but no luck. I can still use them for compound/polish removal, but not for QD, risnseless, or waterless jobs.
 
Desertnate said:
While I haven't experimented with any of this new generation of SIO2 spray waxes, I've found soaking my MF towels after applying CanCoat has prevented them from becoming hydrophobic or crusty/hard.

Before I start the application I fill a small bucket with water and drop in a small measure of APC. The minute I finish with a towel I'll dunk it in the bucket and it will stay there for the day. The towels then go from the bucket to the washing machine. So far, I've been able to do multiple applications with the same set of towels. I don't have many, so I have to make them last as long as possible.
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I am in the process of testing different solutions for the ceramic kiss of death and whilst I’m still going, there is conclusive evidence that APC only mildly reduces the effects of ceramic on towels (softening), it doesn’t remove it sufficiently for reuse. ONR does nothing (sorry Optimum). The best results so far are d-limonene based products which stop the hardening process and allow the fabric to wash back to a perceivable ‘normal’.

Testing has been done using a full ceramic and applying directly, there is something to be said about lite ceramic products and towels only exposed to levelling and wipe of, but I tend to err on the side of caution so go with what stops the ceramic from hardening.
 
I'm don't count on the APC doing much, but I through it in there for good measure. My guess, so far, is by keeping the towels wet, the product never dries and therefore disolves in the bucket. Since this product seems to be a coating "lite" type of product like CanCoat, I thought it was worth mentioning based on my success so far.

I wouldn't try the method I provided with a longer lasting, more traditional coating. I'll throw away the suede application swatches.
 
Desertnate said:
I'm don't count on the APC doing much, but I through it in there for good measure. My guess, so far, is by keeping the towels wet, the product never dries and therefore disolves in the bucket. Since this product seems to be a coating "lite" type of product like CanCoat, I thought it was worth mentioning based on my success so far.

I wouldn't try the method I provided with a longer lasting, more traditional coating. I'll throw away the suede application swatches.
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Simply keeping it wet doesn’t suffice with sio2. It will still harden, albeit slower. In my experience, the detergents in towel wash solution won’t break down the sio2.
 
Some are shipping today, the rest Monday.

We have thousands of cases in stock - pix to come.
 
Is there a recommended “use by” or expiration date on this? Will it be sold in larger sizes eventually (i.e. 32oz or gal)?
 
There is no expiration date. Longevity will be best if stored in temperate conditions. We may have larger sizes (gallons?) available eventually, but it won't be for a while, if at all.
 
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