Polish Angel Gurus...

[custmsprty]

FG400 knocked this right out.

I should note I did my initial test spots with 3D One but went to FG400.

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[Mgavin1985]

I know Cancoat is a solid product but always when I search comparison CQ Lite seems to win (maybe by an edge but still wins)

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I’ve used both CQlite is better beaded, darkens the paint more, feels more substantial, ive been really impressed by it. It’s definitely a real coating. Its very easy to use. The only factor that cancoat has it beat in, is easy of use and quantity which actually might not be that much of factor CQlite was cheaper but get less.

Cancoat pro is something I want to try and am actually quite annoyed at gyeon for making it an authorized installer product. It would probably out sell MOHS

 

[acuRAS82]

I’ve used both CQlite is better beaded, darkens the paint more, feels more substantial, ive been really impressed by it. It’s definitely a real coating. Its very easy to use. The only factor that cancoat has it beat in, is easy of use and quantity which actually might not be that much of factor CQlite was cheaper but get less.

I’m seeing CanCoat and CQ Lite priced the exact same here in AG $54.99. Maybe you meant cheaper per ml (150ml vs 250ml). How many applications do you get out of a 150ml bottle of CQ Lite. Is it beneficial to layer 2 coats?

 

[Mgavin1985]

I only ever used 1 coat for customers who don’t maintain it like average autogeeker does maybe the occasional tunnel wash all cars I put it on I would see them again in 6-8 months and it was still going strong for personal car I would do two coats you have plenty product why not. I’m not sure how long to wait between coats.... someone on here will chime in and help you with it. I personally use CQUK 3.0 on my daily drivers they will all be getting topped off with lite within next month I like the carpro coating they seem to out live there competitors like exov4 and synchro.

 

[Mgavin1985]

I know Cancoat is a solid product but always when I search comparison CQ Lite seems to win (maybe by an edge but still wins)

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I’ve used both CQlite is better beaded, darkens the paint more, feels more substantial, ive been really impressed by it. It’s definitely a real coating. It very easy to use. The only factor that cancoat cost has it beat in is easy of use and quantity which actually might not be that much of factor CQlite was cheaper but get less.

 

[noorth]

I only ever used 1 coat for customers who don’t maintain it like average autogeeker does maybe the occasional tunnel wash all cars I put it on I would see them again in 6-8 months and it was still going strong for personal car I would do two coats you have plenty product why not. I’m not sure how long to wait between coats.... someone on here will chime in and help you with it. I personally use CQUK 3.0 on my daily drivers they will all be getting topped off with lite within next month I like the carpro coating they seem to out live there competitors like exov4 and synchro.

Do you see an issue with carpro light bonding to CQUK3? I will be installing CQUK3 in 2-4 weeks but was thinking about topping it up with moonlight in the fall before the winter here. Never thought of carpro light.

 

[Mgavin1985]

Do you see an issue with carpro light bonding to CQUK3? I will be installing CQUK3 in 2-4 weeks but was thinking about topping it up with moonlight in the fall before the winter here. Never thought of carpro light.

I have never used moonlight. I hear good and bad things about it

I know budgetplan1 had issues topping a coating with moonlight. I think he actually had to polish the moonlight and original coating off. CQUK is really strong header for first 6 months. All those sio2 toppers like reload, cure all seem the same

The UK coating is very impressive gloss wise and beading and its price is right it does in 1 coat what CSL + Exo and sncro MOHs +skin does. IMO UK outperform those base & topper coating packages over the life of the coating.

UK has legs

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Im kinda developing big interest in this brand lately, I know the products are pricey but apparently they worth every dime for the results they give but I have some questions that I want to get clarified before ordering anything.

1) Cosmic Spritz vs High Gloss dilema, I know that CS has more SiO2 (+ durability) and HG has more TiO2 (+ gloss) but to maintain Glasscoat Cosmic V2, can I achieve the 12 months durability with HG or has to be CS???
Do CS vs HG look really different side by side??? (I saw a video from Wax Mode in YT and honesly I couldnt tell the difference)

2) can Carpro Essence coating primer be used with Cosmic V2 and their Master Sealant?

3) Does Master Sealant and Rapid Wax contain SiO2 and TiO2?
(read somewhere that they do)

4) Do I have to throw my towels if I use Cosmic V2, Cosmic Spritz or Master Sealant?


Thanks


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My car is coated with 2 coats CQUK3 and a layer of Cancoat on top. If CQ lite would have i might have tried that but went with CanCoat as a topper due to awesome contact angle and the candy gloss people have raved about.

Love the combo and I left a panel non CanCoated to compare results. TO ME I felt it did have slight better beading and perceived more gloss although I do believe “more” gloss can be in your head.

I have maintained with a lot of products and PA cosmic and Kamikaze OC are worth the cost. I would get both High gloss and Cosmic if you can swing it. I dont have high gloss yet but from what i gathered longer durability and more protection from Cosmic Spritz more Gloss from HG.

If your going Cosmic v2 i would get Invincible primer spritz and use ontop of Essence. From what I’ve determined Essence leaves only sio2 behind and that is why CarPros says you don’t have to use a prep spray (Eraser.... i did use it though).

Primer spritz is a prep spray so you can use after essence to clean paint. It leaves hardeners that makes Cosmic “spritz” more durable and doubles the longevity.

I think those hardeners affect V2 also. Infact Polish angel says it’s a system, pretty much a must use

Essence under shouldn’t be a problem.

Ultimately:

Finish polish with Essence.
Prep with Invincible Primer Spritz
Apply Cosmic v2.
Maintain with Cosmic Spritz
Hit it with High Gloss when you wan’t more pop.

If you want to skip Cosmic spritz abd hit it with High gloss every couple of months you’ll get your year I’m guessing.

I woudn’t use Essence with MasterSealant

Not sure about Master sealant of Rapidwaxx containing Sio/Tio. Acura doesn’t have a habit of talking out the side of his neck and if he says RW does i believe him.

Haven’t had towel issues with CS hardening and i’ll let them sit toll i do my weekly MF wash. For V2..... I spent $18 dollars on 10 removal towels. I used 5 for removal. At a $1.80 apiece why chance it? Consider it a part of the cost of ceramic coating and chuck them....

I did however wash a couple and the seem to come out fine.... soaked in Snappy clean right after.

My secondary buffing towels came out fine and still use those on paint.

Happy coating sir.


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[BudgetPlan1]

On the first pic of my past Rogue that was White Alabaster Spray.

I keep a pic of your Rogue for when I want to enjoy some luscious, white 'goodness'.

For some reason looking at this pic always makes me want a piece of white wedding cake.

 

[acuRAS82]

Not sure about Master sealant of Rapidwaxx containing Sio/Tio. Acura doesn’t have a habit of talking out the side of his neck and if he says RW does i believe him.

Seems Ive been wrong a bunch lately or at least my confidence is down... but those numbers came from PA Germany’s MSDS whuch were posted until like 6 months ago. So for the bottle I have, I know that whatever those percentages should mean (and more importantly, just the fact those ingredients exist) should be official.

 

[gorillapr]

Wow!
A lot of awesome good info to read this morning, I cant think of a better way to wake up on a Saturday morning. Thank you all for chime in.

I know CV2 durability is double Master Sealant, but if I apply MS + Rapid Wax regularly can it hold 12-15 months?

PA site says MS is a 12 month product but Todd from Esoteric said is more of a 6-9 month product, but he didnt specified if that is with or without rapid wax.

I want a combo that I can do every year and can hold strong through the whole year and give me strong protection with amazing look without the hazzle of high spots of a full blown coating.

That is why my options were

1) CV2 + CS (with their primer, I think I will substitute Essence with another polish)
2) CQuartz Lite + CS (with Essence)
3) Master Sealant + Rapid Wax (dont know polish)

Who wins???

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[gorillapr]

Now, if I dont use Essence for synergy reasons, I guess I can use PA Primer Spritz before CV2 but to polish the cars, I own a white audi and a dark vw, I guess both are hard paint, can Sonax Perfect Finish and an orange pad take care of light to medium defects and finish with high gloss?
Or PA primer polish can do it?
Or what is the best one step to achieve this?

Reason I mentioned Sonax instead of Essence and use primer spritz on top is because I guess PF has more cut than essence, but that is a guess, plus if I go the master sealant route cant use essence anyway

Thanks

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[acuRAS82]

Now, if I dont use Essence for synergy reasons, I guess I can use PA Primer Spritz before CV2 but to polish the cars, I own a white audi and a dark vw, I guess both are hard paint, can Sonax Perfect Finish and an orange pad take care of light to medium defects and finish with high gloss?
Or PA primer polish can do it?
Or what is the best one step to achieve this?

I don’t know the Sonax PF cutting power, but your idea is good. You can even go more aggressive as needed. I wouldn’t expect or try to get real correction from PA Primer. Use it to only remove haze, correct micro-scratch’s and overall just to finish down to beauty.

Some people use Essence with a MF cutting pad and get good results, I personally only use Essence the same way I just recommended PA Primer... that’s how I get max gloss from Essence. I tried for cutting once and the car didn’t look as good, probably my technique.
Reason I mentioned Sonax instead of Essence and use primer spritz on top is because I guess PF has more cut than essence, but that is a guess, plus if I go the master sealant route cant use essence anyway

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Wow!
A lot of awesome good info to read this morning, I cant think of a better way to wake up on a Saturday morning. Thank you all for chime in.

I know CV2 durability is double Master Sealant, but if I apply MS + Rapid Wax regularly can it hold 12-15 months?

PA site says MS is a 12 month product but Todd from Esoteric said is more of a 6-9 month product, but he didnt specified if that is with or without rapid wax.

I want a combo that I can do every year and can hold strong through the whole year and give me strong protection with amazing look without the hazzle of high spots of a full blown coating.

That is why my options were

1) CV2 + CS (with their primer, I think I will substitute Essence with another polish)
2) CQuartz Lite + CS (with Essence)
3) Master Sealant + Rapid Wax (dont know polish)

Who wins???

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In my not so polished (haha) opinion i’d vote option one. I think past 7-8 months with option three you’ll be riding on RW reapplied coat tails.

Cquartz lite although i’ve heard longer about this and Cancoat are a 6 mo plus rating by the manufacturers. In a world we cut MFR’s durability claims by half these 2 get doubled?

Another big factor is your environment. Do you live in a similar enviroment as someone who got a year? Is your car a daily? Is it garaged? My cars a daily, garaged and taken care of and i don’t think Cancoat or Lite would go a year in NW weather. The rain wreaks havoc and you end up with a lot of road film.

What about Cosmic spritz with Invincible Primer Spritz. Combo says 12-14 months if you use both. Best thing is you would top with itself? Then instead of V2 you could go Highgloss.....


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[custmsprty]

As I mentioned prior to Master Sealant I used Menzerna FG400 and note, I did not do a panel wipe on the Porsche or the Lexus and it was fine.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Seems Ive been wrong a bunch lately or at least my confidence is down... but those numbers came from PA Germany’s MSDS whuch were posted until like 6 months ago. So for the bottle I have, I know that whatever those percentages should mean (and more importantly, just the fact those ingredients exist) should be official.

Found it

How do you like rapid waxx? It only has 5% caurnauba. Would you compare to Black wulfenite?


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[acuRAS82]

Price not being an issue, I would also pick option 1. Option 2 second. Option 3 as mentioned by crack is going to end up as 4 Rapidwaxx getting you through the second half of the year on its own, which probably means 2-3 week reapplication if you want to be safe.

What region do you live in? Basically, Coatingsarecrack nailed all the important things to consider.

 

[gorillapr]

Crazy right? Cancoat and CQ Lite are the only 2 products that the durability is double of what the manufacturer says.

I love washing my cars every week (I have 3) if possible and 2 of them are german paints and are garaged. So I maintain them good, my 3rd car I wash it regularly but not as much and is not garaged (korean) but on that one my polish/LSP combo is totally different, my PA dilema is with my garaged cars. I live in NC so the weather isnt that bad in the winter, rarerly we go down to single digits in the winter.

CS + PS combo sounds great and easy but to be honest I feel almost like that is so easy that is cheating, at least apply CV2, CQ Lite or MS have some involvement (not as much as a full ceramic but I feel like Im actually doing a full detail), you know what I mean? I know it sounds stupid but detail cars is so fun.

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[acuRAS82]

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How do you like rapid waxx? It only has 5% caurnauba. Would you compare to Black wulfenite?

Rapidwaxx is good. Black Wulfenite is a personal Top 3-5 favorite spray. I would compare Rapidwaxx as a poor man’s version of Wulfenite or Gold Zirkon. It has that PA silky-smooth look... mix of sharp ceramic with carnauba (probably my favorite look as I mentioned in my ceramic wax thread). But Wulfenite and Zirkon are the step above where people on the street stop you to say how great your car looks. Wulfenite is my wife’s favorite on her solid black paint, and she’s seen a TON of different things on that paint. So rich.

Anyways, Rapidwaxx is still very nice, particularly as a topper. I’ve even put it on Collinite 476 and it stepped the gloss up significantly.

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In terms of PA dollars, it’s an absolute bargain for anyone looking to try the brand.

 

[acuRAS82]

Crazy right? Cancoat and CQ Lite are the only 2 products that the durability is double of what the manufacturer says.

I love washing my cars every week (I have 3) if possible and 2 of them are german paints and are garaged. So I maintain them good, my 3rd car I wash it regularly but not as much and is not garaged (korean) but on that one my polish/LSP combo is totally different, my PA dilema is with my garaged cars. I live in NC so the weather isnt that bad in the winter, rarerly we go down to single digits in the winter.

CS + PS combo sounds great and easy but to be honest I feel almost like that is so easy that is cheating, at least apply CV2, CQ Lite or MS have some involvement (not as much as a full ceramic but I feel like Im actually doing a full detail), you know what I mean? I know it sounds stupid but detail cars is so fun.

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I know exactly what you mean about having a substantial LSP coat underneath. I also have two German “nice” cars and my old, beater TSX which gets lesser treatment. I understand why you are being so thorough about deciding on what to pamper the two with. The truth is, you can’t go wrong with any of the now four combos you are considering, and it seems longevity from a luxury combo is what you’re looking for. If you don’t care about applying sprays every so often since they are so quick and easy, that will help. If you go the Master Sealant route, I would seriously consider applying the MS twice per year though. I don’t think you would NEED any prep during the second application.. just slap it on over the older MS/RW at 6 months or when needed.