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[BudgetPlan1]

Imagining me at 17 like the youth today:


But dad! I can't work. It seems too hard.

Plus, I'm not even sure what sex I am!!



Instant funeral. :bat:

RIP PaulMys. 1970-1987.

I guess it’s a shift in attitudes for both kids and parents. We couldn’t wait to be able to get a job because, well…money. As fortunate as we were to have parents provide food & shelter (and a comfortable life overall) if we wanted gas, insurance and eventually a car (albeit one you were constantly working on to keep it relatively safe & marginally functional) it took money. And it took money to hang out with your friends and do things.

We couldn’t wait to get a learners permit/drivers license as well… and a work permit so you could get a job at 14/15 years old and before that, paper routes (apartment routes were the golden ticket!) I don’t recall any friends that didn’t have some kinda job; car wash, fast food, restaurants, gas stations, department stores/malls…seemed like everyone had an after school/weekend job. Granted the $2.65 minimum wage bought about 3 gallons of leaded gasoline but still, it took money!

It actually took a bit of legwork to get a job. Now, help wanted signs everywhere and still no employees. Without a doubt many kids still have jobs but it sure doesn’t seem to be the nearly universal rite of passage it used to be. Heck, it was kinda a badge of honor to have a ‘cool’ job like a gas station.

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[chilly]

I guess it’s a shift in attitudes for both kids and parents. We couldn’t wait to be able to get a job because, well…money. As fortunate as we were to have parents provide food & shelter (and a comfortable life overall) if we wanted gas, insurance and eventually a car (albeit one you were constantly working on to keep it relatively safe & marginally functional) it took money. And it took money to hang out with your friends and do things.

We couldn’t wait to get a learners permit/drivers license as well… and a work permit so you could get a job at 14/15 years old and before that, paper routes (apartment routes were the golden ticket!) I don’t recall any friends that didn’t have some kinda job; car wash, fast food, restaurants, gas stations, department stores/malls…seemed like everyone had an after school/weekend job. Granted the $2.65 minimum wage bought about 3 gallons of leaded gasoline but still, it took money!

It actually took a bit of legwork to get a job. Now, help wanted signs everywhere and still no employees. Without a doubt many kids still have jobs but it sure doesn’t seem to be the nearly universal rite of passage it used to be. Heck, it was kinda a badge of honor to have a ‘cool’ job like a gas station.

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This ^^^^^^^^^^^^

No more needs to be said


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[2black1s]

I can't remember exactly how old I was when I got my first paper route. I'm guessing 10-12. I did that until I landed a job at a gas station when I was 15. I think my pay there was $1.25/hr.

 

[PaulMys]

. I did that until I landed a job at a gas station when I was 15. I think my pay there was $1.25/hr.

16 for me. Got a whopping $4.25! (1986).

Regular unleaded: 88 cents per gallon......... :dunno:

 

[Flash Gordon]

Not just the youngins….. though I did see one explain why they younger crowd doesn’t want to work. Talked about a family member working at McDonald’s and when they became a manager started college and paid for it with McDonald’s earning. Not doing that working at McDonald’s today.

Also not just the youngins. Google working age male not working. Lot’s of Men 25-54 did not come back or just join the work force.

You average $21 an hour 40 hours a week you make about $3500 a month. You take 800 for taxes medical and such Leaves you with $2600. Where I live you can’t afford rent, food and gases with that.

Another problem is moving back in with parents. No rent to pay, doesn’t affect parents as their mortgage doesn’t change or better yet it’s paid off.

So no mortgage no car payment…. Food aid and pretty much your living not working.


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I've had many arguments over the years about minimum wage being too low. If you can't pay a man or woman enough money to pay the bills then the government (ME) will have to make up the difference.
Memphis leaders talk about how great FedEx is for this city and while that's true for the executive, the thousands of part timers that load and unload planes don't make enough money to pay their bills (at least they are trying), so must seek government assistance. This means I am washing cars (paying taxes) to subsidize FedEx's shortfalls.

I am a liberal at heart

 

[Flash Gordon]

That's the problem ... THEY are not paying their bills, YOU are.

Wish I had taken my blood pressure before and then after revisiting this thread. Thanks alot for the reminder Don (lol)

 

[Flash Gordon]

Yeah so just imagine the money you save if you stayed at parents home for some time...give some money to the for food and such but save the rest.

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I think it's a big mistake making your children leave the home at 18. The smart move to me is to get a bigger house (maybe 2 houses on a few acres). Let the young adults start contributing. Once they have children there are built in babysitters. Most grandparents by this time can see the mistakes that they made with their own children. It's common to see immigrant families live in multi generational homes. I think that is a very wise move. The children learn to respect their elders and nothing can replace the wisdom (and love) that a grandparent brings.

As a added bonus you don't have to find someone to feed the dog when you travel

 

[PaulMys]

I think it's a big mistake making your children leave the home at 18. The smart move to me is to get a bigger house (maybe 2 houses on a few acres). Let the young adults start contributing. Once they have children there are built in babysitters. Most grandparents by this time can see the mistakes that they made with their own children. It's common to see immigrant families live in multi generational homes. I think that is a very wise move. The children learn to respect their elders and nothing can replace the wisdom (and love) that a grandparent brings.

As a added bonus you don't have to find someone to feed the dog when you travel

But what if your family are a bunch of assholes?

(Legitimate question).

 

[Flash Gordon]

Same crap in Ontario, Canada. A lot of businesses close because they can’t get workers. Someone hit the right word “ENTITLED “.
When I worked after school I got 60 cents an hour and was happy to have it for spending. My first full time job after graduation paid $58.00 a week. Those were better times. I was always thankful of a job.

Me too. Besides throwing newspapers I learned how to work on bicycles. Was nice to earn a few bucks patching tires and repairing bicycle chains. Nothing like having folding money in your pocket

 

[Flash Gordon]

But what if your family are a bunch of assholes?

(Legitimate question).

You physically assault them into submission. Never said it would always be pretty

 

[PaulMys]

You physically assault them into submission

What about the females?

 

[Flash Gordon]

I had car club of 8 cars, 16 people, heading out for a lunch date at a nice country club an hour out of town. The reservation person was giving us static about fitting us in. We arrived to an almost empty restaurant at noon.

The whole time I thought about how the excellent waitress would have missed out on 16 tips ($50 estimated) if we had not persisted with the reservation person…. Two of our group are members there.

Makes you wonder if some of the woes at companies may be self induced.

I hate to refer back to the fried chicken joint (I eat there alot) but most times I will call in my order. It's not uncommon for the phone to ring 20 times before someone answers. When I get there sometimes there will only be a handful of customers and 15 employees. Makes me wonder what the hell is going on back there in the kitchen. Another thing that bothers me is how slow young people move. They must all be on some sort of medication

 

[Flash Gordon]

What about the females?

They get the belt too. I'm all about equality

 

[PaulMys]

They must all be on some sort of medication

Yup... It's called "Facebook, TikTok, and Twitter".

The three most nutritious things a young mind needs to keep focus on the jobs they are paid to do.........

 

[Flash Gordon]

We have created a society where the lazy and entitled end up at the same finish line you or I end up at yet they didn't have to lift a finger to get there. I have had roommates that couldn't pay bills month after month, yet they never became homeless, never starved. Why? Because society(or in that case, me) will prop them up. Those same lazy folks are the same ones that are now realizing this, and just not working, period.

So the person that never managed to get your McDonald's order right is now not even present to screw that up.... they're at home playing their PS5 and texting on their Iphone 14 they somehow magically purchased through osmosis.

Preach it brother Panzer

 

[Flash Gordon]

At my job, that is definitely true. The Chief AND the CEO are RABID liberals and (I honestly believe) are Intentionally trying to burn down my department, with their negative attitudes towards police officers and their "Oh, poor baby" way of looking at KNOWN FELONS. When I went on Medical Leave Sept 30th, we were WAY BELOW minimal staffing requirements, a "skeleton crew" would have been an improvement.

Since then, NOT ONE PERSON has been hired to try and fill staffing and a few more have quit/are looking for other jobs. There are supervisors posting listings for police/dispatch jobs opportunities AT OTHER DEPARTMENTS on Facebook.

Not only has the current administration been actively trying to get the ship to sink, they have set it on fire as well. The "rats" have already left the ship, the only people remaining are the ones that haven't been picked up by another department YET, but the snakes are still there making sure the ship does go down in flames.

As bad as Memphis can be, I thank God that MPD hasn't gone WOKE. If I was a police officer I would continue to do my job as I was originally trained to do and face whatever consequences that might occur.

 

[Flash Gordon]

Imagining me at 17 like the youth today:


But dad! I can't work. It seems too hard.

Plus, I'm not even sure what sex I am!!



Instant funeral. :bat:

RIP PaulMys. 1970-1987.

My father would have beat me to death (literally) if I had come at him with that nonsense.

 

[Flash Gordon]

I guess it’s a shift in attitudes for both kids and parents. We couldn’t wait to be able to get a job because, well…money. As fortunate as we were to have parents provide food & shelter (and a comfortable life overall) if we wanted gas, insurance and eventually a car (albeit one you were constantly working on to keep it relatively safe & marginally functional) it took money. And it took money to hang out with your friends and do things.

We couldn’t wait to get a learners permit/drivers license as well… and a work permit so you could get a job at 14/15 years old and before that, paper routes (apartment routes were the golden ticket!) I don’t recall any friends that didn’t have some kinda job; car wash, fast food, restaurants, gas stations, department stores/malls…seemed like everyone had an after school/weekend job. Granted the $2.65 minimum wage bought about 3 gallons of leaded gasoline but still, it took money!

It actually took a bit of legwork to get a job. Now, help wanted signs everywhere and still no employees. Without a doubt many kids still have jobs but it sure doesn’t seem to be the nearly universal rite of passage it used to be. Heck, it was kinda a badge of honor to have a ‘cool’ job like a gas station.

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My first real job was at a gas station (it's how I built my detailing business). I was able to get many of my friends jobs there as well. The owner was a real stickler for detail as was I. He liked me so much that during the evening hours any wrecker calls that I made (besides AAA) I could pocket that money. I would wash the wrecker and check all fluids ever night before leaving. The daytime wrecker driver was a fan of mine too. Some of the best memories of my life...

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

But what if your family are a bunch of assholes?

(Legitimate question).

Buy a lot more toilet paper

(Not legitimate answer)

Well hopefully you raised them right and I think all at 18 could use more raising.

The two house idea Flash had is the asshole house.

One thing a friend told me is charge him rent at 18. $700 a month. Put $400 a month away and give back when there ready to buy a house or have a kid. Makes them work and forces them to save w/o knowing it.

Me personally that money would go towards an LT 4 for the chevelle..


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[2black1s]

... One thing a friend told me is charge him rent at 18...

I remember when I was 18 (1971) and my parents wanted me to pay rent... I moved out!

Looking back now, what they were asking wasn't too bad, but that's just the way I saw it at 18.