Rinseless Washes - 2022

[CleanIT]

Pre-washes will always be a big part of my routine since many of you got me hooked on BH TL . They never were previously but since I started use BH Touch-Less I don't think I'll ever not use one.

As far as coatings go, no doubt they're superior in every way. Once they fail though I don't always want to repolish and reapply. This is why I'm leaning towards just periodically applying protection after a wash. Idrosave caught my attention because after I pre-wash, then wash (Primus 2.0 for both) I can then spray car really quick with Idrosave, add gloss and protection and be done. It won't have coating hydrophobics but will still look good and have some decent protection until next wash. The other option is the BH Touch-Less, Auto Wash and Hydra Wax. At least that's what I'm thinking now. May change again in time LOL. I still have product I want to use up first.

 

[chilly]

Pre-washes will always be a big part of my routine since many of you got me hooked on BH TL . They never were previously but since I started use BH Touch-Less I don't think I'll ever not use one.

As far as coatings go, no doubt they're superior in every way. Once they fail though I don't always want to repolish and reapply. This is why I'm leaning towards just periodically applying protection after a wash. Idrosave caught my attention because after I pre-wash, then wash (Primus 2.0 for both) I can then spray car really quick with Idrosave, add gloss and protection and be done. It won't have coating hydrophobics but will still look good and have some decent protection until next wash. The other option is the BH Touch-Less, Auto Wash and Hydra Wax. At least that's what I'm thinking now. May change again in time LOL. I still have product I want to use up first.

I use BH AF but that’s the only BH product I’ve tried and it works as advertised

I had to look up the Hydra-Wax on the BH website and oh my lord, what a potential rabbit hole that is

The way they link products to other products and processes made my head start spinning and my trigger finger itching to start punching the add to cart button

I had never been on there before and didn’t realize the extent of their offerings

I need to stay strong

 

[Klasse Act]

I use BH AF but that’s the only BH product I’ve tried and it works as advertised

I had to look up the Hydra-Wax on the BH website and oh my lord, what a potential rabbit hole that is

The way they link products to other products and processes made my head start spinning and my trigger finger itching to start punching the add to cart button

I had never been on there before and didn’t realize the extent of their offerings

I need to stay strong

Come on over, the waters fine

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[CleanIT]

I use BH AF but that’s the only BH product I’ve tried and it works as advertised

I had to look up the Hydra-Wax on the BH website and oh my lord, what a potential rabbit hole that is

The way they link products to other products and processes made my head start spinning and my trigger finger itching to start punching the add to cart button

I had never been on there before and didn’t realize the extent of their offerings

I need to stay strong

lol I hear you. The BH DSW and Hydra Wax are kind of dated so to speak, but both great easy to apply waxes with really good hydrophobics. Only reason why I thought of using them was to stay within one brand. But I read a comment on a FB group where this guy was using Hydra Wax as a drying aid when he was done washing and it came out great. Not the easy products to use, but they do work.

 

[SNP209]

lol I hear you. The BH DSW and Hydra Wax are kind of dated so to speak, but both great easy to apply waxes with really good hydrophobics. Only reason why I thought of using them was to stay within one brand. But I read a comment on a FB group where this guy was using Hydra Wax as a drying aid when he was done washing and it came out great. Not the easy products to use, but they do work.

Isn't the hydra wax like a lotion in consistency? So in essence you're applying a traditional liquid sealant after every wash?

 

[CleanIT]

Isn't the hydra wax like a lotion in consistency? So in essence you're applying a traditional liquid sealant after every wash?

Yeah it's a liquid polymer wax. I haven't used it. It should last a month or two.

 

[CleanIT]

I ran out of Descale/Reset. I was going to maybe try Multi X and use that in conjunction with Reset but opted for Labo Primus 2.0 being it's such a versatile product. So I'm going to try/test this over the next month or so and if I like it I'll get the Idrosave next.

 

[Klasse Act]

I ran out of Descale/Reset. I was going to maybe try Multi X and use that in conjunction with Reset but opted for Labo Primus 2.0 being it's such a versatile product. So I'm going to try/test this over the next month or so and if I like it I'll get the Idrosave next.

Looking forward to your review of Idrosave, I'm confident you'll REALLY like it

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[chilly]

You realize that the other components of the 3pH rinseless system (Preludio Alkaline and Acid) have been released in Europe, it's only a matter of time before we get them here in North America. Still waiting for a good explanation on use of Preludio from Reggy.

I think they're already here.

Preludio looks like an extra step not needed unless car is really dirty. At that point I'm not doing a RW.

I don't like to overcomplicate the process, and in some instances I see that happening with some of these products.

Pre-washes will always be a big part of my routine since many of you got me hooked on BH TL . They never were previously but since I started use BH Touch-Less I don't think I'll ever not use one.

So I am trying to deep dive all this Labocosmetica information and I have watched the translated Italian Preludio and Idrosave videos on the Labo site

It's a lot to take in

I have to question spraying either of the Preludio products into the wheel and brakes and then essentially only wiping away the Preludio with Idrosave on the surface of the wheel that can be reached with a damp microfiber (and apparently the same microfiber used on the paint) and not thoroughly flushing the brakes

Maybe they sprayed Idrosave into the wheel off camera but is even doing that enough to flush or neutralize the Preludio

Plus I guess I need to wear dangly bracelets and Apple Watches while working on black Porsche paint...

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

So I am trying to deep dive all this Labocosmetica information and I have watched the translated Italian Preludio and Idrosave videos on the Labo site

It's a lot to take in

I have to question spraying either of the Preludio products into the wheel and brakes and then essentially only wiping away the Preludio with Idrosave on the surface of the wheel that can be reached with a damp microfiber (and apparently the same microfiber used on the paint) and not thoroughly flushing the brakes

Maybe they sprayed Idrosave into the wheel off camera but is even doing that enough to flush or neutralize the Preludio

Plus I guess I need to wear dangly bracelets and Apple Watches while working on black Porsche paint...

Thanks, I look forward to following. I haven't watched any videos (I'm a luddite, I figure any car wash that requires me to watch a video might just be too much for me) but my initial reading of the directions for their 'systems' left me a little confused. It seemed kind of like that old SNL spoof razor commercial but just with cleaning fluids . . . "Now, while the initial application of the alkaline solution is dwelling we ATTACK it with an acid solution and watch the two fight it out right there on the paint, demolishing any dirt that is in their way. Finally we FREEZE that situation by spraying a ph neutral product that keeps the peace between these two mighty combat cleansers . . . until the NEXT time!"

OK, so I over dramatize but it seemed more involved than I'm willing to commit. I just got a new liter of Descale so I'm set for a while on the Carpro solution but will continue to follow the Labo reports with interest.

 

[chilly]

Thanks, I look forward to following. I haven't watched any videos (I'm a luddite, I figure any car wash that requires me to watch a video might just be too much for me) but my initial reading of the directions for their 'systems' left me a little confused. It seemed kind of like that old SNL spoof razor commercial but just with cleaning fluids . . . "Now, while the initial application of the alkaline solution is dwelling we ATTACK it with an acid solution and watch the two fight it out right there on the paint, demolishing any dirt that is in their way. Finally we FREEZE that situation by spraying a ph neutral product that keeps the peace between these two mighty combat cleansers . . . until the NEXT time!"

OK, so I over dramatize but it seemed more involved than I'm willing to commit. I just got a new liter of Descale so I'm set for a while on the Carpro solution but will continue to follow the Labo reports with interest.

As CleanIT said "I don't like to overcomplicate the process"

Words to live by

I guess if a rinseless/waterless wash is your ONLY option, due to water restrictions or whatever, then maybe this multi multi multi step process is possibly your only option for DEEP cleaning

At the very end of the Preludio video they talked about adding a 10% solution of either of the Preludio flavors to Idrosave to make a more acid or alkaline Idrosave solution, so even more variables

Not sure I would be comfortable just wiping off a non PH neutral solution, rather than a good water rinsing and flushing

 

[CleanIT]

Good point. I haven't read much about Preludio.

That's what got me interested in Idrosave and Primus 2.0. I can use Primus 2.0 for bucket wash, wheel cleaner and prewash just by varying the dilution. One product will cover all that. After washing, I could go over the car real quick with Idrosave as a drying aid/LSP and be done. So two products that would cover a lot. If I were to use Carpro, I'd could use Reset, Multi-x and Elixir/Ech20 etc. So it's possible to minimize the amount of products to use to get the job done with any line but Primus 2.0 looks like a really good versatile product.

This is the video that got me thinking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cj4QUI3hnA

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

Good point. I haven't read much about Preludio.

That's what got me interested in Idrosave and Primus 2.0. I can use Primus 2.0 for bucket wash, wheel cleaner and prewash just by varying the dilution. One product will cover all that. After washing, I could go over the car real quick with Idrosave as a drying aid/LSP and be done. So two products that would cover a lot. If I were to use Carpro, I'd could use Reset, Multi-x and Elixir/Ech20 etc. So it's possible to minimize the amount of products to use to get the job done with any line but Primus 2.0 looks like a really good versatile product.

This is the video that got me thinking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cj4QUI3hnA

Yeah, to be clear, I'm not knocking the whole Labo system just admitting my own ignorance.
I'm simple - find something that works and keep using it until it either doesn't work or you find something that works better. Perhaps, with time and the opportunity to understand this solution better (from reading experiences here), I'll find that is the way I want to go. Until then I've got a gallon of ONR and enough of the Descale, Reset, Ech20 and related stuff that's working fine for me and my needs right now.

 

[chilly]

Good point. I haven't read much about Preludio.

That's what got me interested in Idrosave and Primus 2.0. I can use Primus 2.0 for bucket wash, wheel cleaner and prewash just by varying the dilution. One product will cover all that. After washing, I could go over the car real quick with Idrosave as a drying aid/LSP and be done. So two products that would cover a lot. If I were to use Carpro, I'd could use Reset, Multi-x and Elixir/Ech20 etc. So it's possible to minimize the amount of products to use to get the job done with any line but Primus 2.0 looks like a really good versatile product.

This is the video that got me thinking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cj4QUI3hnA

Man, that guy is wound up tight....

lol

I see how the Primus is really a multi use product and Idrosave as a finisher sounds great

 

[CleanIT]

Yeah, to be clear, I'm not knocking the whole Labo system just admitting my own ignorance.
I'm simple - find something that works and keep using it until it either doesn't work or you find something that works better. Perhaps, with time and the opportunity to understand this solution better (from reading experiences here), I'll find that is the way I want to go. Until then I've got a gallon of ONR and enough of the Descale, Reset, Ech20 and related stuff that's working fine for me and my needs right now.

That's the way to do it. :xyxthumbs: I sometimes try things just to try them.

 

[Klasse Act]

As much as I'd like to try the other 2 Labocosmetica washes I just can't, I've got so many other pre-washes/soaps that it would just be crazy, plus I've got an entire gallon of Bilt-Hamber Auto-foam that I bought from The Clean Garage when they phased out their stock, plus 1/3 of a gallon of Bilt-Hamber Touchless to go through

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[chilly]

As much as I'd like to try the other 2 Labocosmetica washes I just can't, I've got so many other pre-washes/soaps that it would just be crazy, plus I've got an entire gallon of Bilt-Hamber Auto-foam that I bought from The Clean Garage when they phased out their stock, plus 1/3 of a gallon of Bilt-Hamber Touchless to go through

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Buy it all or buy none…

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[Setec Astronomy]

So I am trying to deep dive all this Labocosmetica information and I have watched the translated Italian Preludio and Idrosave videos on the Labo site

It's a lot to take in

I have to question spraying either of the Preludio products into the wheel and brakes and then essentially only wiping away the Preludio with Idrosave on the surface of the wheel that can be reached with a damp microfiber (and apparently the same microfiber used on the paint) and not thoroughly flushing the brakes

I still haven't found a rinseless method I like for wheels/tires, or maybe I just haven't bothered yet to find one I like, but I would think you would want to flush that off...on the other hand, Labo seems to have a pretty good handle on their chemistry, these 3pH products seem to be "buffered"...but what do I know.

Man, that guy is wound up tight....

Ah, that's just Reggy. I imagine he will have an informative video on how to use Preludio, or at least a guest appearance on someone's podcast, before we get the product here stateside.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

So I am trying to deep dive all this Labocosmetica information and I have watched the translated Italian Preludio and Idrosave videos on the Labo site

It's a lot to take in

I have to question spraying either of the Preludio products into the wheel and brakes and then essentially only wiping away the Preludio with Idrosave on the surface of the wheel that can be reached with a damp microfiber (and apparently the same microfiber used on the paint) and not thoroughly flushing the brakes

Maybe they sprayed Idrosave into the wheel off camera but is even doing that enough to flush or neutralize the Preludio

Plus I guess I need to wear dangly bracelets and Apple Watches while working on black Porsche paint...

Yeah I’m still not in rinseless washing wheels.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

Thanks, I look forward to following. I haven't watched any videos (I'm a luddite, I figure any car wash that requires me to watch a video might just be too much for me) but my initial reading of the directions for their 'systems' left me a little confused. It seemed kind of like that old SNL spoof razor commercial but just with cleaning fluids . . . "Now, while the initial application of the alkaline solution is dwelling we ATTACK it with an acid solution and watch the two fight it out right there on the paint, demolishing any dirt that is in their way. Finally we FREEZE that situation by spraying a ph neutral product that keeps the peace between these two mighty combat cleansers . . . until the NEXT time!"

OK, so I over dramatize but it seemed more involved than I'm willing to commit. I just got a new liter of Descale so I'm set for a while on the Carpro solution but will continue to follow the Labo reports with interest.

Purifica puts Descale in a rear naked choke then tucks it into bed…. Maybe I got a bad bottle but descale worked basically just like reset for me…

Pretty easy Wash actually just pre foam Primus dwell and rinse. Then prefoaming with a Purifica, let dwell no need to bucket wash just wash with the ph neutral soap. The videos do make it seem like something exciting is happening.

I’m not sold on the Preludio’s but I’ve got a $65 store credit and not much needed so I’m going to give them a go.


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