Pan the Organizer product line...let's discuss@

CleanIT said:
He's got enough followers that I'm not sure it will matter that he botched his launch up. He completely effed up by putting his own line in his Best of 2024 video LMAO.
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I can't see an exact number of his subscribers, only the 1.04M on his channel page. Despite all of the bad press, that number has not changed over the last few weeks.

Another thing I noticed yesterday, despite boasts of having such high subscriber numbers, Pan actually has less subscribers than WD Detailing with 1.15M. Disaster detailing is not my thing, but perhaps more people want to see someone actually detailing a car rather than a guy who does more talking about detailing than actually detailing.

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Eldorado2k said:
Many hours into it [actually not long after having found out about it here just after my initial post above]^
While scrolling through the comments I noticed 1 that was quite interesting that someone posted and I decided to piggyback off it and bring it to light outside of the thread it was buried in. It went something along the lines of:

“Hey when you coated your Porsche in April [Btw I completely plagiarized this comment. In reality I had no idea of a Porsche or what he did in April. Lol] your coating wasn’t available, so how can you claim you’ve done 1yr. R&D with your products and tell us to therefore trust you so hard when you obviously didn’t have your own coating to coat your own brand new Porsche in April? That’s a Lie.”

He replied Within minutes. Lol. He came up with the lamest excuse, then tried to call me a conspiracy theorist when all I did was bring up 1 simple fact. Lol.
I replied back respectfully, further making my point, and as we know the next day he deleted the video.
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That's exactly what he did on this forum. Would drop in, post a video, then disappear, doing so for no other reason but to boost view counts and subscribers. If someone dared to call this out, or even question a technique or product, he immediately played the victim and made out like the person asking the question was being aggressive. Classic psychopathic/narcissist personality.
 
DFB said:
Perhaps fellow content creators were hoping an appearance with Pan would give them a boost in subscribers and view counts?
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Maybe but like I mentioned before, Brian from Apex was just walking around like everyone else, Pan and Ivan had their own sections and tables, forgot who else was there

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If you go to Pan's website (not YouTube) he has a list of the "best products of 2024". All the links go to his product line. So he's removed the video and list off YouTube but it's still on the web.
 
cb804 said:
If you go to Pan's website (not YouTube) he has a list of the "best products of 2024". All the links go to his product line. So he's removed the video and list off YouTube but it's still on the web.
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I hope he didn't quit his day job

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My thoughts on Pan's new direction:

I never had a problem with Pan charging money to do product videos. The man had an audience and was selling access to it. If he recommended a product as being good and I bought it and it was junk; I would stop watching his videos and he would be the loser. I bought a great many products that Pan recommended over the years and was happy with each and every one; whether or not he charged the supplier for the video or not I was happy with the product and the I probably would not have bought the product if I had not seen Pan's video on it. It's called capitalism, deal with it.

Going forward I would like to know if Pan's products are truly unique or just rebranded products that are already out there but now in Pan the Organizer bottles. There are a lot of big name companies selling rebranded stuff.

Now that he has a line of detailing products I don't see how he can continue to test new products. I mean if he tests a product it should always be "inferior" to his product or what is he going to tell you that the product he is testing is better than his comparable product and risk losing sales.
 
theamcguy said:
My thoughts on Pan's new direction:

I never had a problem with Pan charging money to do product videos. The man had an audience and was selling access to it. If he recommended a product as being good and I bought it and it was junk; I would stop watching his videos and he would be the loser. I bought a great many products that Pan recommended over the years and was happy with each and every one; whether or not he charged the supplier for the video or not I was happy with the product and the I probably would not have bought the product if I had not seen Pan's video on it. It's called capitalism, deal with it.

Going forward I would like to know if Pan's products are truly unique or just rebranded products that are already out there but now in Pan the Organizer bottles. There are a lot of big name companies selling rebranded stuff.

Now that he has a line of detailing products I don't see how he can continue to test new products. I mean if he tests a product it should always be "inferior" to his product or what is he going to tell you that the product he is testing is better than his comparable product and risk losing sales.
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Well the issue here is doing your yearly "Best of the Year" show and having all your products #1, has nothing to do with capitalism, maybe you didn't see his "Best of 2024"...oh wait, he took it down due to 100% calling him out, so now that we've got that cleared up

I too bought many products via Pan's channel, sometimes didn't even need them and my "Silence of the Lambs room" of detailing products proves that out, Jon from Forensic Detailing is also responsible for products, these 2 guys were my main go to's for product reviews, now I've got it narrowed down to just 1 now, Sandro as well when he comes around

In closing, he jumped the shark and ruined years of building a rep by being fraudulent here, period️

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I'm not sure if it's even a possibility to enter a market with a new car detailing product line and for them to all be the best of the best out of the gate. So many well established car detailing brands who have been perfecting these products for years which I'm sure have a sizeable budget for product development. Also, how are these products going to work in different environments. It's one thing for a product to be easy to use in a climate controlled garage but what about all the other situations.
 
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Bri26 said:
I'm not sure if it's even a possibility to enter a market with a new car detailing product line and for them to all be the best of the best out of the gate. So many well established car detailing brands who have been perfecting these products for years with I'm sure have a sizeable budget for R&D. Also, how are these products going to work in different environments. It's one thing for a product to be easy to use in a climate controlled garage but what about all the other situations.
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Agreed but according to Pan, it's been tested by numerous people (some in that THOR group, so they're unbiased) so it's been vetted as the best in the world

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Not that I would EVER patronize the THOR store but I am always curious about shipping

Except for the single gallon container I put essentially the same stuff in the cart that I bought recently direct from ADS and paid $12 shipping to Alaska

This was THOR's cheapest (actually the only) shipping option

Nothing better than paying 60% shipping
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chilly said:
Not that I would EVER patronize the THOR store but I am always curious about shipping

Except for the single gallon container I put essentially the same stuff in the cart that I bought recently direct from ADS and paid $12 shipping to Alaska

This was THOR's cheapest (actually the only) shipping option

Nothing better than paying 60% shipping
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Wow! That’s insane.


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Vegas1 said:
Wow! That’s insane.


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Actually, that happens to me quite a lot

This is a bit higher than normal but any company that only offers UPS/FedEx and not USPS shipping will have similar shipping prices for Hawaii and Alaska

Add to that companies that simply don't ship here AT ALL, and it can get frustrating

This is one thing that keeps me from jumping on a lot of new products just to try them out and satisfy my curiosity

I have to really shop around and plan my purchases accordingly

I was getting almost everything from Carzilla in Canada over the last couple of years but they changed their free shipping policies last spring and even a small order was almost $50 shipping

Add to that I can't order liquids that will freeze from late October through April so I generally have to get a winter's worth of chemicals in advance
 
Damn algorithm, Pan's at Harbor Freight...maybe he found a place to sell his mounting stock

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cb804 said:
If you go to Pan's website (not YouTube) he has a list of the "best products of 2024". All the links go to his product line. So he's removed the video and list off YouTube but it's still on the web.
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I went and had a look at his website and followed the link "For people in Australia" and it led to CarCareCo, which is the local TRC importer. So I guess we have found the Aussie distributor.
 
chilly said:
Actually, that happens to me quite a lot

This is a bit higher than normal but any company that only offers UPS/FedEx and not USPS shipping will have similar shipping prices for Hawaii and Alaska

Add to that companies that simply don't ship here AT ALL, and it can get frustrating

This is one thing that keeps me from jumping on a lot of new products just to try them out and satisfy my curiosity

I have to really shop around and plan my purchases accordingly

I was getting almost everything from Carzilla in Canada over the last couple of years but they changed their free shipping policies last spring and even a small order was almost $50 shipping

Add to that I can't order liquids that will freeze from late October through April so I generally have to get a winter's worth of chemicals in advance
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Chilly ,
Sounds to me like you need someone to go to that detail store near Chicago and buy about a years worth of stuff. Then just take it to FedEx.
I have a family members in Logan Square and go there several times a year. I might have to check that place out. But at the moment I am full to the gills with detailing products.
 
BLM said:
Chilly ,
Sounds to me like you need someone to go to that detail store near Chicago and buy about a years worth of stuff. Then just take it to FedEx.
I have a family members in Logan Square and go there several times a year. I might have to check that place out. But at the moment I am full to the gills with detailing products.
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My brother in law in the Phoenix area has offered to let me get a big order together and get free shipping to him and he will just ship it on to me and if push came to shove I would probably go that way

My last resort is frequently Amazon and if I just need a few items I have used them in the past and just sucked up the $1-$2 upcharge they seem to tag on everything I want, and the 2 weeks plus "free shipping" since I am not a Prime member

In the end I sometimes suck it up and just try to get a big order and pay the shipping and just get over it

I'm just glad this is a hobby and I am not trying to depend on stuff to make a living
 
In another video I just saw, he talks about how he always want to be the best at everything. He seems to be pushing the point too much to me and really hangng it on his supporter base as justification. It almost sounds desparate. Many a social media influencer gets caught up in likes and subscribers as the end all.
 
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