Pan the Organizer product line...let's discuss@

[Klasse Act]

... or the "NO-CRETIQUES"

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[BLM]

I mean, he’s French Canadian. It’s different.

Thought he was Greek? Are those that live in Quebec all considered French Canadian? Thought one had to have French blood to be considered French Canadian?

 

[BLM]

It seems that AutoWash is all about making a tunnel wash system for people who care about their cars that will allow you to really get a good clean without inflicting the usual damage.

People that care about their cars don't take them to a car wash period. With the possible exception of one that goes to a self serve for just a rinse due to cold weather conditions. Even then I'd try to find a different way.
Besides those that go to a tunnel wash don't know the first thing about maintaining a vehicle nor do they care. Sounds to me like it would be a tough sell as im sure it will be more expensive than the standard tunnel wash.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

People that care about their cars don't take them to a car wash period. With the possible exception of one that goes to a self serve for just a rinse due to cold weather conditions. Even then I'd try to find a different way.
Besides those that go toa tunnel wash don't know the first thing about maintaining a vehicle nor do they care. Sounds to me like it would be a tough sell as im sure it will be more expensive than the standard tunnel wash.

That AutoWash is a touchless wash, at least that's the way I understood it.

 

[BLM]

That AutoWash is a touchless wash, at least that's the way I understood it.

So I just watched the "Autowash"video. They have automated/touchless and self serve. However very little is different in the way cars are washed other than optical sensors to show ones vehicle position within the automated wash bay. All the differences involve methods of payment and ordering the service. I saw very little to separate them from a typical car wash.

 

[Klasse Act]

People that care about their cars don't take them to a car wash period. With the possible exception of one that goes to a self serve for just a rinse due to cold weather conditions. Even then I'd try to find a different way.
Besides those that go to a tunnel wash don't know the first thing about maintaining a vehicle nor do they care. Sounds to me like it would be a tough sell as im sure it will be more expensive than the standard tunnel wash.

Well I used to go a touch-free wash because of sap spray maintenance, plus it was close to my work and also to stay ontop of winter maintence, I'm outside 24/7...then knock sensor issues came up and now I just take my g/f's Cruze there now

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[CleanIT]

That’s where I separate myself from others, I have a lot of experience with the other side of the coin; post purchase justification. Before I went deep into detailing forums I was a huge poster on audio forums. The amount of post purchase justification I witnessed there was insane - we’re talking about stuff like, a $1000/foot power cord changing people lives here.

Another thing everyone forgets is, Bad News Sells. You actually will get more eyes and attention if you can have a negative hook or thumbnail.

Lastly, I don’t care if I sour with a brand, it just leads back to bad news sells and I will not compromise the truth because I saved $25-$150.

Pan went around thinking his echo chamber and Freebie reviews were going to undo his award show blunder, but everyone saw it for what it was, a massive slap in the face.

This was easily the most avoidable situation and he could have actually garnered MORE support and followers if he walked out of reviewing gracefully and evolved into more of a DIY Detail channel. But then he’d have to be an actual detailer instead of a keyboard warrior and that’s where it all fell apart. He’s a stats guy, a chart reader, he doesn’t like detailing cars, he just likes geeking out on shit like he does with shoes, cars, audio. He’s a snob and a consumer whore.

Great points.

 

[SheepStar]

Thought he was Greek? Are those that live in Quebec all considered French Canadian? Thought one had to have French blood to be considered French Canadian?

There is francophone which is born and raise, heavy accent, then “from Montreal”. Greek Heritage would only play a part if he was born there.

 

[chilly]

I mean… here it’s $20 for the best touchless in town, and it’s not that good.

The wash I get when I buy into the unlimited washes for $50 a month program was $18 a pop last year and was the cheapest wash that still had an undercarriage blast

The top of the line was $70 a months but I don't want or need the "ceramic coating"

The wash quality is hit or miss but it knocks the bigger crap off and makes a rinseless safer

I use it when it is cold and dry so I don't get more road sling on the way home to finish with a rinseless

Sometimes I just have to settle for a rinseless when it gets sloppy outside

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Um...you realize when he first sold the company he was in the little detailing studio next door? I guess that was where the PBMG manufacturing plant was, that he took over.

They still say in adverts I’ve seen for when the launched new HQ that the manufacture and distribute…


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[Coatingsarecrack]

This just kind of brought home what a sad commentary this is about the "influencer economy" where people have a "company", but not really.

I mean, right, he started a company, that has no office, no warehouse, but he's a detailing product "manufacturer".

PS I have done no research on this, I don't know what address is on the bottles or if Pan actually has an "office" other than his house, I'm just making some presumptions that this is all "virtual".

When ordering from a blender you have to receive the chemical. Either in huge bulk container and probably the offer packaging now. He does have to have it shipped or do it himself.

Guessing House of Rags and Clean use same warehouse/ distribution. Josh V already said he will be using THOR for distro.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

People that care about their cars don't take them to a car wash period. With the possible exception of one that goes to a self serve for just a rinse due to cold weather conditions. Even then I'd try to find a different way.
Besides those that go to a tunnel wash don't know the first thing about maintaining a vehicle nor do they care. Sounds to me like it would be a tough sell as im sure it will be more expensive than the standard tunnel wash.

I do like that the have blow dryer in their self serve. Also don’t use “acidic” washes.

If I had one around here I’d probably use the basic wash subscription then waterless after. For a $30 a month can’t beat it. Would not pay for the ceramic or graphene spray and rinse coating


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[Coatingsarecrack]

So I just watched the "Autowash"video. They have automated/touchless and self serve. However very little is different in the way cars are washed other than optical sensors to show ones vehicle position within the automated wash bay. All the differences involve methods of payment and ordering the service. I saw very little to separate them from a typical car wash.

They tout higher quality chemicals I’d wonder if water is filtered.


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[BLM]

They tout higher quality chemicals I’d wonder if water is filtered.

Higher quality chemicals means higher prices to the customer. Do most consumers buy Sherwin Williams house paint because they use better ingredients or do they buy Bear brand paint from Home Depot because it $10:00 cheaper?

I have long suspected that car washes recycle the water. I know I would as that is one of their biggest expenses. It may be filtered but if recycled they aren’t getting it all.

 

[DFB]

Pan went around thinking his echo chamber and Freebie reviews were going to undo his award show blunder, but everyone saw it for what it was, a massive slap in the face.

This was easily the most avoidable situation and he could have actually garnered MORE support and followers if he walked out of reviewing gracefully and evolved into more of a DIY Detail channel. But then he’d have to be an actual detailer instead of a keyboard warrior and that’s where it all fell apart. He’s a stats guy, a chart reader, he doesn’t like detailing cars, he just likes geeking out on shit like he does with shoes, cars, audio. He’s a snob and a consumer whore.

This is what I have been saying all along. He had a great following, he didn't need the stunts and the defensive comments that followed.

I hope my posts towards you have not been taken as me having a go at you for being a Youtube reviewer. I actually love your videos and how you present a very different style. As you said yourself, you set yourself apart from the others.

 

[Uncbrs]

... or the "NO-CRETIQUES"

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Dangerously close to my boys there. Your Detroit side is showing now.

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[SheepStar]

This is what I have been saying all along. He had a great following, he didn't need the stunts and the defensive comments that followed.

I hope my posts towards you have not been taken as me having a go at you for being a Youtube reviewer. I actually love your videos and how you present a very different style. As you said yourself, you set yourself apart from the others.

Not at all. I know that I don’t really have the same holes in me that other YouTubers do. I am here to share my experience as someone doing what they’re doing.

I’m sure I don’t have to explain it to the people here, but I personally find my approach to this so, so much simpler than trying to manage sponsors and “paid reviews”. And no one will openly say they prefer a paid review vs non, well except for the reviewer. The choices some of these channels made is so hilarious bad and obviously not what people are going to accept and they tried anyway.

 

[DFB]

Not at all. I know that I don’t really have the same holes in me that other YouTubers do. I am here to share my experience as someone doing what they’re doing.

I’m sure I don’t have to explain it to the people here, but I personally find my approach to this so, so much simpler than trying to manage sponsors and “paid reviews”. And no one will openly say they prefer a paid review vs non, well except for the reviewer. The choices some of these channels made is so hilarious bad and obviously not what people are going to accept and they tried anyway.

This is my approach as well, just in stills and typed words rather than in front of a camera. I make no money from any review or product I write about. As you do, I share my experiences and interests, both good and bad. What's dragging me down at the moment is when I try something new, write good things about because I've enjoyed using it, or present information that clearly supports my findings, then get shot down because product XYZ is just the flavor of the month and over hyped, so therefore I'm just contributing to the hype. As I said, I have nothing to gain by hyping up a product, I just try something, if like it, I pass it on.

I'm also getting sick of the dismissal of newer brands as being a flash in the pan (pun not intended). There are brands that are innovating, bringing fresh blood into the industry, and with it, fresh thinking. Because without that, we end up with companies that sit on their hands, producing the same products that they introduced in the 90's, that are not innovating or when they do, it's just repackaging an old product to give a new role. And that applies to companies from all across the globe. Maybe I should try Pans stuff?

 

[Bunky]

Detailing like many activities has a strong emotional aspect such as brand loyalty, etc.

 

[Klasse Act]

Detailing like many activities has a strong emotional aspect such as brand loyalty, etc.

Very true because when you like AND believe in a product and your using it on your car you feel like a King️

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