Labocosmetica 2ph system...Alkaline & ACIDIC, questions

Bri26 said:
Primus 2.0 works extremely well just spray on, let it dwell for a few minutes and rinse it off. Then proceed with a rinseless or regular wash.
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I find it fascinating that you and others use this hack to use Primus as part of a rinseless wash routine, when Labo has created a separate product (Preludio) to perform the "Primus" function with rinseless washes. When you rinse off the Primus, you just use a spray of your rinseless wash? I'm just trying to understand how you would do it in a rinseless scenario where you don't have a hose.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I find it fascinating that you and others use this hack to use Primus as part of a rinseless wash routine, when Labo has created a separate product (Preludio) to perform the "Primus" function with rinseless washes. When you rinse off the Primus, you just use a spray of your rinseless wash? I'm just trying to understand how you would do it in a rinseless scenario where you don't have a hose.
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I have access to hose so I'm able to use it to my advantage to rinse the dirt off rather than use Preludio to try to emolsulsify the dirt. After rinsing off the Primus 2.0, I do a pre spray with rinseless and then do a regular rinseless wash using a sponge in a bucket at 256:1. I'm getting amazing results this way and feel it's much safer. A lot of what we have been told about rinseless wash is it's not as safe as we were lead to believe so the extra pre spray of Primus is a game changer. It's what some are calling a hybrid wash or rinse less (not no rinse at all) so a rinse is still involved. If the car wasn't that dirty I would probably just use Preludio or try to find a cordless pressure washer that can siphon out of a 5 gallon bucket to use with Primus.

A chemist on YouTube has been doing some eye opening tests with rinseless wash products. His channel is called Detail Projects.
 
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Setec Astronomy said:
I find it fascinating that you and others use this hack to use Primus as part of a rinseless wash routine, when Labo has created a separate product (Preludio) to perform the "Primus" function with rinseless washes. When you rinse off the Primus, you just use a spray of your rinseless wash? I'm just trying to understand how you would do it in a rinseless scenario where you don't have a hose.
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I hear yah but trust the science

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opie2 said:

Answers in video. Not sure where you are getting those dilutions. I have watched many videos where reggie would mix primus 2.0 in a regular spray bottle or ik sprayer for pre spraying at 1:20- 1:50 etc.

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The 1:5/1:10. For pump sprayers 1:100/1:200…. Off of labels you posted


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Klasse Act said:
My Labocosmetica order of the entire 3pH system doesn't come in till Monday but I'll be using Semper tomorrow for the contact wash as forum member Brr sent me a bottle with more than enough in there

So I guess when I do use either of the 2 Labocosmetica pre-washes it sounds like all I need is basically 30 oz of water and 1.25 oz of their soap, that's crazy

I've been using 3 oz of Bilt-Hamber Touchless with about 30 oz in the foam cannon at the Bays and the same in my Griot's Garage foam gun and IK Foam Pro 12, the latter being 1 gallon of water to 3 oz of Bilt-Hamber Touchless

I'm looking forward to Semper tomorrow, sounds like 1 oz to 3.5 gallons is enough

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That dilution for touchless in a foam cannon with MTM is closer to 50/50 to 30/70 touchless to water.

Seen this in most PIR videos.

I know it sounds like a lot but that’s what it works out too. You don’t need that much so I would try 6 oz to 14oz water.


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Klasse Act said:
Thank you

I just started using a foam cannon since becoming a member at The Bays and it seems 3 oz to about 32 oz, forgot which foam cannon they use but that ratio with Bilt-Hamber Touchless works great as it's more runny but not too much and the paint always looks great. I'm going to try Purifica and the other one that way as well (can't remember it's name I'm new to this still) and see how it goes, expecting about the same

Thank you for your help here

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When I first used BH I tried dilutions like American products (3 to 4oz) to foam cannon. Sucked bad. Thats when I learned PIR. With the dilutions I was seeing 9oz to 11oz water is when I ordered the IK foam pro 12.

Even there your dilution sounds light . BH recommends 5/100 in pump sprayer for winter cleaning. Using 3oz to 128oz is giving you more like a 2.5% PIR when 4 to 5 is recommended.


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Setec Astronomy said:
I find it fascinating that you and others use this hack to use Primus as part of a rinseless wash routine, when Labo has created a separate product (Preludio) to perform the "Primus" function with rinseless washes. When you rinse off the Primus, you just use a spray of your rinseless wash? I'm just trying to understand how you would do it in a rinseless scenario where you don't have a hose.
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You wouldn’t use Primus w/o a hose. Thats when you use Preludio.

Using some kind of pre foam and rinse before rinseless is being called a hybrid wash by the UToobers.

I like the idea if you can get a hose as it gets the bigger debris removed.

I do all the time with BH touchless


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Coatingsarecrack said:
When I first used BH I tried dilutions like American products (3 to 4oz) to foam cannon. Sucked bad. Thats when I learned PIR. With the dilutions I was seeing 9oz to 11oz water is when I ordered the IK foam pro 12.

Even there your dilution sounds light . BH recommends 5/100 in pump sprayer for winter cleaning. Using 3oz to 128oz is giving you more like a 2.5% PIR when 4 to 5 is recommended.


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I used 1.5 oz/33 oz, used my 1000ml Mirolex sprayer

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Coatingsarecrack said:
The 1:5/1:10. For pump sprayers 1:100/1:200…. Off of labels you posted


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Maybe im not understanding how a nebulizer works.

Either way for limescale deposit removal(which is how i use purifica) "dilute 1:30 and spray directly onto the surface", is what is says on the label.

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The gateway drugs come in today, can't wait to complete my complete 3pH system for both RW & 2BM

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Coatingsarecrack said:
When I first used BH I tried dilutions like American products (3 to 4oz) to foam cannon. Sucked bad. Thats when I learned PIR. With the dilutions I was seeing 9oz to 11oz water is when I ordered the IK foam pro 12.

Even there your dilution sounds light . BH recommends 5/100 in pump sprayer for winter cleaning. Using 3oz to 128oz is giving you more like a 2.5% PIR when 4 to 5 is recommended.


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Similar thing for me.

For Touch-less v1, one of the local Bilt Hamber retailers suggested using 50ml (1.7oz) to 950 ml of water in a foam cannon, which at that dilution, it did absolutely nothing! They were suggesting that to apparently make it easier and more approachable for those reading this strange PIR thing. The problem with that logic is people went ahead and bought the product, then did what it said on the website, then had bad results and determined it was a bad product, when in actual fact they weren't doing the proper PIR calculations.

Because my pressure washer is pushing 10 LPM (2.64 GPM), I was basically running Touch-less undiluted in a MTM foam cannon for it to achieve "Touch-less" washing. That was v1. Now that v2 is significantly more concentrated, I can run the following -

2%340ml
1.50%255ml
1%170ml
0.50%85ml

So significantly less product needed per application, while remaining effective.
 
I have no idea the rates of The Bays foam cannon is but the 3 oz/27 oz of water did the trick. That said, when or IF it's ever REALLY dirty, I'll just double it

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The 3pH traditional wash system from Labocosmetica has arrived️

Now I've akeeady used Semper and man does it perform, from suds to cleaning to rinsing clean...MOST IMPRESSIVE

Looking forward to trying/using Primus & Purifica very soon️
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It seems to me that I'll not need to use Purifica too much but are there ways you guys have used it at a lighter ratio or should I use it every 2 or 3 monthes to deep clean and reset the coating, I'm all ears

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I'll be using this next month at the Bays on my EN, probably just Primus and Semper. In the average foam cannon, a good one, I've been using 3 oz of Bilt-Hamber Touchless and 27 oz of water, just about fills up the tank. I've had great success with this ratio. Now I know Primus is a different product, so using 30 oz total would 3 oz/27 oz be enough Primus like I'm using Bilt-Hamber Touchless

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For cleaning rims and tires dilution 1:3 up to 1:10; for cleaning of parts low of the car , side members , bumper or removal of midges 1:20 dilution; for cleaning very dirty cars dilution 1:50 dispensing the product from bottom to top; for washing medium-dirty cars dilution 1:80 by dispensing the product from bottom to top; for frequent washing 1: 100.

3 oz to 27 oz is 1:9... but I'm not sure how much your foam cannon would further dilute it.. maybe 1:10. So you'd be around 1:19

I think you'll have to start low and work your way to until you find what's best. When I used Primus in a MTM 2.0 I put 100 ml to 900 water and it did good.
 
Brrr said:
For cleaning rims and tires dilution 1:3 up to 1:10; for cleaning of parts low of the car , side members , bumper or removal of midges 1:20 dilution; for cleaning very dirty cars dilution 1:50 dispensing the product from bottom to top; for washing medium-dirty cars dilution 1:80 by dispensing the product from bottom to top; for frequent washing 1: 100.

3 oz to 27 oz is 1:9... but I'm not sure how much your foam cannon would further dilute it.. maybe 1:10. So you'd be around 1:19

I think you'll have to start low and work your way to until you find what's best. When I used Primus in a MTM 2.0 I put 100 ml to 900 water and it did good.
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Thanks Brandon️

It sounds like 10:1 would work for Primus too but what about Purifica, same thing

Come spring I'll not be needing to pre-treat the pre-wash but for the times it's very dirty, I'll try the 10:1 in a spray bottle before the pre-wash, seems these products, like Bilt-Hamber, ate concentrated...let the fun begin

Sorry guys, I'm kind of a perfectionist and don't wanna squander ANY product

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Klasse Act said:
Thanks Brandon️

It sounds like 10:1 would work for Primus too but what about Purifica, same thing

Come spring I'll not be needing to pre-treat the pre-wash but for the times it's very dirty, I'll try the 10:1 in a spray bottle before the pre-wash, seems these products, like Bilt-Hamber, ate concentrated...let the fun begin

Sorry guys, I'm kind of a perfectionist and don't wanna squander ANY product

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You need to read the labels roger. If you are using primus 2.0 in a spray bottle as a pretreat for your paint no need to go lower than 1:20, 1:50 should do fine(for a heavily contaminated vehicle).

Foam cannon 1:10 for primus 2.0.
Purifica - 1:10 -1:20 for foam cannon, but still read the labels

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