LSP: Tried many - I just don't see a difference!!!

[ScottB]

Actually, I'm thinking about this a little more... does anyone know of two LSPs I could try side by side where there would be a HUGE difference, unmistakable, even to a poor eye, like mine?

For example, Zaino is suppose to have a plastic look, right? What if I put Z2Pro beside "product x", would that yield the biggest difference in looks? Or what about turtle wax vs. Souveran or anything else you could think of, what would yield the biggest difference?

Klasse SG versus newer Zaino ProZ5 is a better contrast. The older Zaino (original Z2) is quite plastic looking but not in the newer Pro line.

Souveran or Fuzion against something like Megs Yellow Paste would show some differences and nuiances. Glow, depth, and pleasing good looks.

 

[unclestu]

I think you can, but it depends upon the LSP. To be completely honest, it is very difficult to see much difference after only one coat with most LSP's. I always use at least 3 coats. After 3 coats, it is easier to see the differences. A lot of times, I notice very little if any difference after applying one coat of LSP over a polished surface. I did however, notice a big difference after the first coat of Natty's red and separately, Wolfgang DGPS. I noticed a subtle difference after applying one coat of Supernatural. It just looked like it sparkled a little more, with a bit more depth and glow. After one coat of Griot's Garage paint sealant on a clear coated red Camaro, I noticed hardly any difference at all. The clear looked a LITTLE less scratched a little smoother, with just maybe the faintest hint of more shine.

I have recently seen, posted on another forum, a lab test that was performed to determine the benefits in layering waxes. Basically the test showed that applying a third coat of wax actually diminished the thickness of your previous coats of wax. In other words applying a third coat of wax ended up removing a good portion of the second coat of wax that had been previously applied.
I am confused. If a third coat of wax actually ends up removing a good portion of the previously applied second coat of wax than how does applying a third coat of wax make it easier to discern a difference in your LSP?
These are links to the lab tests:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=127943]Thickness of wax layers? - Detailing World

Wax and Sealant thicknesses - Detailing World

 

[ricka]

Won't do it if you're applying 3 coats of sealant like a UPGP or Wolfgang. Just have to let it fully cure for 12-24 hours for each coat.

Can't help you on the wax side since I use sealants exclusively. They typically last longer and don't attract as much dust.

 

[loudog2]

I have recently seen, posted on another forum, a lab test that was performed to determine the benefits in layering waxes. Basically the test showed that applying a third coat of wax actually diminished the thickness of your previous coats of wax. In other words applying a third coat of wax ended up removing a good portion of the second coat of wax that had been previously applied.
I am confused. If a third coat of wax actually ends up removing a good portion of the previously applied second coat of wax than how does applying a third coat of wax make it easier to discern a difference in your LSP?
These are links to the lab tests:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=127943]Thickness of wax layers? - Detailing World

Wax and Sealant thicknesses - Detailing World

Don't forget about the thicker layer with letting it sit for 5-10 min vs. WOWO

 

[unclestu]

Don't forget about the thicker layer with letting it sit for 5-10 min vs. WOWO

That is right, Lou thanks for reminding me and thanks for sharing this useful information about the wax thickness test:dblthumb2:

 

[Bradshaw]

I really think that the fact that Fuzion is the color red is a big reason why it makes paint, especially metallics, pop so much. Red is a hot color in the color spectrum and thus it grabs more of your attention than any other color. When you apply a thin layer of red wax, or sealant therefore, it should increase it's pop, just a little bit, by making the surface look a little more firey and attention getting like the color red is. The fact that Fuzion is part sealant gives it great clarity and shine, which, again, helps metallics to stand out more, and the wax part adds a bit of warmth.

So you are saying because the wax is red it makes it pop more and show the metallic? Can't say I've heard that analogy before.

 

[sullysdetailing]

I have used Pinnacle Sourvan and Pinnacle Series II and there ia a clear differance to me. Sourvan looks much better on black, red, and white vehicles then Series II. Also after using Paint Sealant and Wax there is a clear differnace also. Wax will leave the paint looking much wetter then the Sealant

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Few comments:

I agree with the earlier post that having 20 waxes to choose from is like choosing from a liquor cabinet. I enjoy having a bunch of waxes to use. I have over 12 different kinds of sealants/waxes, and I haven't even gotten down to 1/2 on any bottle/container. LOL! It's an addiction. If I feel like using Souveran one day, I'll grab that. If I feel like using DodoJuice another, I'll grab that... same with sealants...sometimes WGDGPS sometimes 4Star.

As far as discerning difference??? hmmm... IMO, nothing beats a layer of Souveran over a layer of WGDGPS or 4Star. I have all black cars, and the depth of glow is out of this world. But it is true, that the differences are very subtle. But for me, that's more than enough reason to buy it

 

[Blackthorn One]

I have recently seen, posted on another forum, a lab test that was performed to determine the benefits in layering waxes. Basically the test showed that applying a third coat of wax actually diminished the thickness of your previous coats of wax. In other words applying a third coat of wax ended up removing a good portion of the second coat of wax that had been previously applied.
I am confused. If a third coat of wax actually ends up removing a good portion of the previously applied second coat of wax than how does applying a third coat of wax make it easier to discern a difference in your LSP?
These are links to the lab tests:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=127943]Thickness of wax layers? - Detailing World

Wax and Sealant thicknesses - Detailing World

I did my own experiment back in the mid nineties with a clear coated red 1991 Camaro. The rear bumper had a lot of scratches on it, and so I theorized that if I applied more coats of wax, that it would fill in and hide these scratches. I used Griot's Garage Best of Show Wax for this experiment. I found that by the third coat, I had really reduced the appearance of the scratches, which was the point at which I had the most significant improvement. I still had significant improvement at the 4th coat, and a little less at the 5th, less at the 6th, less at the 7th, and by the 8th all of the scratches were no longer visible, and the paint appeared perfectly smooth, rich, and deep. Just to try and make it even richer, I added a 9th, at which point I noticed some cloudiness beginning to form, so that the paint began to take on a more noticeable cast of brown(which is the color of the wax, btw), at which point I stopped. Last year, I used Eagle One pure carnauba wax on a single stage black lacquer car that was original 57 Chevy paint which had scratches in it from the years, and it was getting thin, so I was afraid to polish them all out.On this car, I noticed significant improvements up until the 4th coat, and then applied a 5th coat, which hid the scratches a little bit more, and added more gloss and sparkle to the car. I had run out of time before the car show, where it took 1st in class.

Based upon my own personal experience, I KNOW that adding more coats of wax can indeed add gloss, and reduce the appearance of scratches. I cannot speak to the results of that test which you linked to, since I didn't perform that test. However, it is possible that it was almost totally the wax's FILLING of the scratches that improved the shine rather than actually building up the total thickness of the coating. I will admit to that.
I did seem to notice significantly less improvement from 5 coats of Souveran on a well polished clear coated car. I waited 10-12 hours between coats of Souveran. I think that it may well have a lot to do with which wax you use, and how smooth the surface of the car is. I only speak from my own personal experience.

 

[Blackthorn One]

So you are saying because the wax is red it makes it pop more and show the metallic? Can't say I've heard that analogy before.

I am saying that since the color red is the most attention getting color there is, applying a red wax to a car will tend to make the car look more attention getting and thus make the car "pop" more because it appears more vibrant. As far as actually making the metallic flakes stand out more, I'm not exactly sure, although I can say that I have vermillion tinted sunglasses,(rose/red) which really seems to make everything I see through them pop more. It seems to me that a red transparent coating of wax would tend to do the same thing to a car's paint. Adding a coat of red wax is like adding a very thin layer of candy red on something. It certainly seems to me that it would make it pop more. Red is the most eye catching color in the spectrum. That is why fire engines are red.

 

[akimel]

I still think this test best shows how little the difference is between the look of waxes on a well prepped panel. It also reinforces the fact that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. rops:


Big Wax Test - Looks Results - Full Review - Detailing World

Dave KG's blind test is important precisely because it was an impartial blind test. Its results need to be duplicated by further blind testing, but it provides prima facia evidence that the differences between waxes really are minimal if non-existent.

We see what we want to see, what we need to see. Is it surprising that if a person invests in an expensive wax, he will believe that it gives a better look at a $12 bottle of Meguiar's Yellow Tech? This happens not just with waxes but all sorts of goods--clothes, audio equipment, beer, etc.

During the past two years I have tried on my black car Gold Class, NXT, Reflections, 845, Harly Wax, Fuzion, Souveran, Best of Show, Vintage, and Wet Diamond. Not bad, eh? And you know what, I like them all! Could I see differences? Maybe, maybe not. I think I like the Vintage best, but I'm probably fooling myself because it's the most expensive wax I will probably ever try. I will say that I really like the slick look of Wet Diamond. Here's my current favorite list:

1) Vintage
2) Souveran
3) Wet Diamodn
4) Fuzion
5) Best of Show
6) Harly Wax
7) Reflections
8) NXT
9) Gold Class

But I bet in a blind test I couldn't distingiush any of them! In a blind test I'd probably end choosing Gold Glass as my favorite. How embarrassing would that be!

A group of detailers here in the U.S. need to conduct a blind test along the lines of Dave KG's. What carnauba waxes might we include? How about: Souveran, Fuzion, Victoria Concours Red, M26, Natty's Blue, Midnight Sun, and Collinite 915. Take up the challenge!

 

[Lasthope05]

^:iagree:

Of all the waxes and sealants that I own, the only wax that I can notice a difference in is NXT 2.0 because it darkens paint like no other. All of the rest look surprisingly similar.

UPGP, 1000p, Pinkwax, S100, MaxWax, DG105, DG501, Nattys Red, Nattys Blue, iw845.

 

[Lasthope05]

*Double Post*

 

[Blackthorn One]

I still think this test best shows how little the difference is between the look of waxes on a well prepped panel. It also reinforces the fact that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. rops:


Big Wax Test - Looks Results - Full Review - Detailing World

I can see the differences in those various waxes. Subtle to be sure, but it was a great test. I liked the Royale best, followed by the RaceGlaze 55 , the AutoGlym HD, and then the SwissVax Best of Show. I like a wax that has a warm glow with a shimmer, and the Royale does that best in the test. The RaceGlaze actually looks very close to the Royale to me, with the Swissvax having a rich warm glow, the richest and darkest looking of them all, which is a look that I like, but not as much as a shimmer. After these I like the Collinite. I don't like the Zaino much, because it is too clear and looks like another layer of clear coat.
I would like to see Fuzion, Supernatural, Vintage, and Souveran in that test.
I like a wax with a soft shimmer, which captures the light, having a soft, bright glow, adding an extra degree of sparkle and shine where the light is the most concentrated in the smaller areas, such as the edges. I don't like clearcoat, and so I don't like sealants much, because they don't disperse the light softly, to form a glow, as they are too transparent. Supernatural and Fuzion have the characteristics that I like in an LSP.

 

[Calais]

I really hope this isn't true as I have a tub of Souveran on its way to my house as we speak! I really hope I'm not dissapointed by it.

 

[08krewkab]

I really hope this isn't true as I have a tub of Souveran on its way to my house as we speak! I really hope I'm not dissapointed by it.

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refuse shipment......lol

 

[Blackthorn One]

I really hope this isn't true as I have a tub of Souveran on its way to my house as we speak! I really hope I'm not dissapointed by it.

Souveran has a very rich, deep look, and is an excellent wax. What's to be disappointed about?

 

[1hawaii50]

Souveran has a very rich, deep look, and is an excellent wax. What's to be disappointed about?

I use Souveran on my wife's dark blue Altima, and it looks wonderful...you won't be disappointed.

 

[Showroom Shine]

WHICH WAX? Well I have quite a few myself! Max Wax,Souveran Paste & Liquid,DoDo Juice Soft Sampler,Natty's Blue & Red,Fusion Sample,SS2,Souveran Spray,etc. I do agree with what others have said about the prep. That is what makes the LSP look Great! My personal favorite in Liquid Souveran.On any color or car as an LSP. There are numerous reasons. Easy on Easy off. Molding will not turn, hot or cool weather,chrome,windows,all hard surfaces. I'll stay with Souveran until AG or someone else comes up with another HOT product. Then we'll all be buying it too! You can tell the difference too! Just ordered a gallon from AG today!

 

[ScottB]

I have used Pinnacle Sourvan and Pinnacle Series II and there ia a clear differance to me. Sourvan looks much better on black, red, and white vehicles then Series II. Also after using Paint Sealant and Wax there is a clear differnace also. Wax will leave the paint looking much wetter then the Sealant

I too have seen the difference ... rops: