LSP: Tried many - I just don't see a difference!!!

Calais said:
I really hope this isn't true as I have a tub of Souveran on its way to my house as we speak! I really hope I'm not dissapointed by it. :(
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Souveran...It's like candy for your car...Nummy!

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Blackthornone said:
I did my own experiment back in the mid nineties with a clear coated red 1991 Camaro. The rear bumper had a lot of scratches on it, and so I theorized that if I applied more coats of wax, that it would fill in and hide these scratches. I used Griot's Garage Best of Show Wax for this experiment. I found that by the third coat, I had really reduced the appearance of the scratches, which was the point at which I had the most significant improvement. I still had significant improvement at the 4th coat, and a little less at the 5th, less at the 6th, less at the 7th, and by the 8th all of the scratches were no longer visible, and the paint appeared perfectly smooth, rich, and deep. Just to try and make it even richer, I added a 9th, at which point I noticed some cloudiness beginning to form, so that the paint began to take on a more noticeable cast of brown(which is the color of the wax, btw), at which point I stopped. Last year, I used Eagle One pure carnauba wax on a single stage black lacquer car that was original 57 Chevy paint which had scratches in it from the years, and it was getting thin, so I was afraid to polish them all out.On this car, I noticed significant improvements up until the 4th coat, and then applied a 5th coat, which hid the scratches a little bit more, and added more gloss and sparkle to the car. I had run out of time before the car show, where it took 1st in class.:)

Based upon my own personal experience, I KNOW that adding more coats of wax can indeed add gloss, and reduce the appearance of scratches. I cannot speak to the results of that test which you linked to, since I didn't perform that test. However, it is possible that it was almost totally the wax's FILLING of the scratches that improved the shine rather than actually building up the total thickness of the coating. I will admit to that.
I did seem to notice significantly less improvement from 5 coats of Souveran on a well polished clear coated car. I waited 10-12 hours between coats of Souveran. I think that it may well have a lot to do with which wax you use, and how smooth the surface of the car is. I only speak from my own personal experience.
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I think it best to correct the imperfections in the paint (swirls,scratches etc) before applying an LSP. It would definitely be more economical to polish out the scratches or swirls IMO as opposed to trying to fill them in with 8 or 9 coats of wax. It has been said that it is 90% technique and only 10% product that effects the ultimate appearance of a great detailing job. The magic is in the polishing. If the paint is to old or thin to polish out the imperfections I guess that is a good time to use a glaze to fill in the scratches and swirls and than followed by the application of your LSP.
 
unclestu said:
I think it best to correct the imperfections in the paint (swirls,scratches etc) before applying an LSP. It would definitely be more economical to polish out the scratches or swirls IMO as opposed to trying to fill them in with 8 or 9 coats of wax. It has been said that it is 90% technique and only 10% product that effects the ultimate appearance of a great detailing job. The magic is in the polishing. If the paint is to old or thin to polish out the imperfections I guess that is a good time to use a glaze to fill in the scratches and swirls and than followed by the application of your LSP.
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I'm not sure that it would be so economical to polish out scratches as opposed to filling them with wax, since that makes paint thin, and sooner in need of repaint, but I do agree that it is better to use a glaze to fill them with so much wax. I did this BEFORE I knew about glazes, and more than 13 years before now.
 
Blackthornone said:
I'm not sure that it would be so economical to polish out scratches as opposed to filling them with wax, since that makes paint thin, and sooner in need of repaint, but I do agree that it is better to use a glaze to fill them with so much wax. I did this BEFORE I knew about glazes, and more than 13 years before now.
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Assuming that the paint on the car is not thinned out already I can't imagine how polishing the car with the proper tools and technique would cause there to be a failure in the paint. Unless that is you would intend to polish the car 8 or 9 times as opposed to just doing it once correctly. I have found out one thing when it come to detailing. Less is better.
When it come to life in general I have found that it is not best to sweep things under the rug. True they may be hidden for a while but they will always be there. Sort of like the scratches and swirls that lay hidden under the 8 or 9 coats of wax on your car. Just get rid of them. We on the forum can help. Don't be afraid. Face your fear and those nasty scratches and swirls will disappear. JUST DO IT:buffing:
 
unclestu said:
Assuming that the paint on the car is not thinned out already I can't imagine how polishing the car with the proper tools and technique would cause there to be a failure in the paint. Unless that is you would intend to polish the car 8 or 9 times as opposed to just doing it once correctly. I have found out one thing when it come to detailing. Less is better.
When it come to life in general I have found that it is not best to sweep things under the rug. True they may be hidden for a while but they will always be there. Sort of like the scratches and swirls that lay hidden under the 8 or 9 coats of wax on your car. Just get rid of them. We on the forum can help. Don't be afraid. Face your fear and those nasty scratches and swirls will disappear. JUST DO IT:buffing:
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Well, it was a used car that was neglected. It seemed to have not been waxed in 7 years since it was new. It was clear coated and red paint comes off on the waxing pad in various spots, so in this case, the paint was already quite thin, and could not stand to be polished much. Barely enough to remove the oxidation was all that can be afforded. I estimate it can be polished to remove just oxidation 4 more times before major spots of clear coat missing occur. No, not from peeling or flaking, but from being just plain worn off. I'm used to working on really neglected cars. Cars that the paint is so thin that you have to judge which is better, to leave some of the oxidized paint on to leave paint behind, or polish it until all of the oxidation is gone and its nice and shiny, but there are patches of primer showing through. No, the owner doesn't want to have it repainted, she or he just wants the car to look less of an eyesore.
 
unclestu said:
Assuming that the paint on the car is not thinned out already I can't imagine how polishing the car with the proper tools and technique would cause there to be a failure in the paint. Unless that is you would intend to polish the car 8 or 9 times as opposed to just doing it once correctly. I have found out one thing when it come to detailing. Less is better.
When it come to life in general I have found that it is not best to sweep things under the rug. True they may be hidden for a while but they will always be there. Sort of like the scratches and swirls that lay hidden under the 8 or 9 coats of wax on your car. Just get rid of them. We on the forum can help. Don't be afraid. Face your fear and those nasty scratches and swirls will disappear. JUST DO IT:buffing:
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Stu,

I noticed this was posted after 3:00 am. When do you sleep buddy?
 
:iagree:While there may be subtle differences,I think after all the TLC that goes along with the laborious prep work,we all have a favorite lsp for whatever reasons,if nothing else except it works for you.As someone used to say "When you find something that works use it and use it often".Works for me.:xyxthumbs:
 
I'm a bit late to the party, but personally I think there are slight differences in the different waxes that I have collected. I can see there is a slight increase in reflectivity but reduced 'wetness' when I use P21S 100%. This is the same case when I use Colli 915. If I decide to use either Pinnacle Signature Series II or Lusso Oro, the subtle increase in wetness and depth is noticeable in my opinion.

There is definately no arguing that it is basically all in the prep, and this point has been beat to oblivion already haha. But for me, the price is negligible because it is all about how a wax feels and looks to you. I enjoy every minute of applying a wax that I appreciate and feel great using.
 
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