Want To Buy Griots... BUT??

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Just got back from an off-site project and read all the way through this thread and want to add a couple of comments...

First the GG ROP does have more power from a practical hands-on point of view than the XP but side-by-side I don't think anyone would detail a car from start to finish faster, that's the big picture.

Both have more power and ability to keep pads rotating under pressure and after your pads become wet and that's the key important factor when trying to remove swirls.

To mavven77
If you have a brand new car then it should have a GREAT finish to start with but all to often even brand new cars will have either light wear-n-tear from being on a car lot of worse, DISO that is the Dealer Installed Swirl Option.

Regardless, stepping up to a DA Polisher will enable you to restore and maintain a show car finish on your new car and pretty much any car you own as these types of tools work better and faster at correction work and even applying waxes and paint sealant versus working by hand. A good investment even for someone that only takes care of their own car or cars.

And thanks for joining our forum and asking questions, we all started at the same place and that's knowing nothing and one of the goals of this forum is to help others to be successful in their garage.

 

[2old2change]

Well after reading all the post in this thread and seeing the Griots used last weekend , I pulled the trigger and had the wife order it for me for christmas. The PCXP,Megsv2 were also considered but with the warranty and price I chose the Griots.

....................................... Paul S ....................................

 

[VISITOR]

I understand you love your Griots polisher but your statement about the Griots working a 6.5 better than a pc working a 5.5 is completely wrong.

yeah, the PC with 5-5.5" pads works awesome IME... :xyxthumbs:

 

[Rsurfer]

I dont have the new PCXP, but the new Griot beats the hell out of the old PC.

 

[ZoranC]

That is basically the only diffrance. i have used the PC Griot Flex and Meg DA. The closest to the flex is the Griot.

Actually, there is one machine that might be even more powerful than Flex, I just did not have time to confirm that.

 

[Rsurfer]

Actually, there is one machine that might be even more powerful than Flex, I just did not have time to confirm that.

I know what that is.... a rotary!

 

[ZoranC]

Actually, there is one machine that might be even more powerful than Flex, I just did not have time to confirm that.

I know what that is.... a rotary!

Let me be more specific even though it should have been obvious from a context:

Actually, there is one random orbital machine that might be even more powerful than Flex, I just did not have time to confirm that yet even though I have it in my hands.

 

[Buckskincolt]

I understand you love your Griots polisher but your statement about the Griots working a 6.5 better than a pc working a 5.5 is completely wrong.

I personaly have used them side by side with the same
polish on the same paint and will tell you that it is your statement that it won't is completely wrong. The griots will spin a 6.5" pad in the same conditions the pc/xp will stall a 5.5" pad. Sorry!

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

I personaly have used them side by side with the same
polish on the same paint and will tell you that it is your statement that it won't is completely wrong. The griots will spin a 6.5" pad in the same conditions the pc/xp will stall a 5.5" pad. Sorry!

You crack me up, the 5.5 pad will not stall the pc unless you use a lot of pressure and I mean a lot of pressure. Just give it up, you only have been doing this for just a short time and I know you are just sticking up for your beloved Griots and that is fine but now you are really making yourself look silly with your statement. It is obviuos you are just learning this and do not know how to polish and or use a polisher. If you knew more than you think you would constantly tell people to use just two things constantly. For God's sake this is onetime I would love to have Kevin Brown explain to you in great detail that you are full of bs. Also I can get your beloved Griots polisher to completely stop with enough pressure, this is just too funny.

 

[Buckskincolt]

You crack me up, the 5.5 pad will not stall the pc unless you use a lot of pressure and I mean a lot of pressure. Just give it up, you only have been doing this for just a short time and I know you are just sticking up for your beloved Griots and that is fine but now you are really making yourself look silly with your statement. It is obviuos you are just learning this and do not know how to polish and or use a polisher. If you knew more than you think you would constantly tell people to use just two things constantly. For God's sake this is onetime I would love to have Kevin Brown explain to you in great detail that you are full of bs. Also I can get your beloved Griots polisher to completely stop with enough pressure, this is just too funny.

you sir are pathetic, at least I did't have to start a post about how great I am then send pm's to people asking them to post to it to make me look good. You seem like a daddy's boy who thinks he knows everything and is always right. I'm sorry that I didn't agree with the only detail god in the USA. Please accept my appology on behalf of everyone who does not agree with you The self proclaimed expert of the world. Go start another thread about yourself!

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

you sir are pathetic, at least I did't have to start a post about how great I am then send pm's to people asking them to post to it to make me look good. You seem like a daddy's boy who thinks he knows everything and is always right. I'm sorry that I didn't agree with the only detail god in the USA. Please accept my appology on behalf of everyone who does not agree with you The self proclaimed expert of the world. Go start another thread about yourself!

Hahahaha, I guess resorting to acting like your post just shows you know I am right, you just can't go around spouting off random stuff that is completely incorrect. I don't know everything and never have claimed to. The thing is when someone post something that is not true or incorrect I will say something for the benefit of the forum. What good is it to have incorrect information on the forum. I never started that post and I told people that I helped if they want to thank me there was a thread where they could, I am sorry you are upset about that but it is what it is. Now just relax and realize a Griots polisher-Hy-dro pads and WG TSR and glaze does not fix everything.

Plus if I went around asking everyone I have helped on here to post in that thread it would still be going. I spend my own time helping through e-mail, texts, phone calls and pm's for this forum and others, so if I was so pathetic I wouldn't be spending a couple hours almost everyday of my own time helping members of this forum and others.

 

[Harleyguy]

Ok i think that sums it up.The post has gotten off track some.So we need to go to each corner and take a drink.The problem there is too many machines out now LOL .Just stick to a rotary and everything will come out fine .

 

[2old2change]

You crack me up, the 5.5 pad will not stall the pc unless you use a lot of pressure and I mean a lot of pressure. Just give it up, you only have been doing this for just a short time and I know you are just sticking up for your beloved Griots and that is fine but now you are really making yourself look silly with your statement. It is obviuos you are just learning this and do not know how to polish and or use a polisher. If you knew more than you think you would constantly tell people to use just two things constantly. For God's sake this is onetime I would love to have Kevin Brown explain to you in great detail that you are full of bs. Also I can get your beloved Griots polisher to completely stop with enough pressure, this is just too funny.

Giving your opinion is one thing but name calling and talking down to those with less experience (myself included) or a differenent opinion are not called for. Doing anything for a certain length of time guaranties nothing as far as ability or skill level. I came here to learn and exchange ideas , not witness juvenile attitude run amuck. Usually I will just push back from the keyboard but I enjoy this forum and hate to see it used as someones personal playground. A forum isn't much use to posters if they feel intimadated into not posting. This is my opinion but wouldn't be shocked to find I am not alone with my thoughts.

........................... Paul S ...........................

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Giving your opinion is one thing but name calling and talking down to those with less experience (myself included) or a differenent opinion are not called for. Doing anything for a certain length of time guaranties nothing as far as ability or skill level. I came here to learn and exchange ideas , not witness juvenile attitude run amuck. Usually I will just push back from the keyboard but I enjoy this forum and hate to see it used as someones personal playground. A forum isn't much use to posters if they feel intimadated into not posting. This is my opinion but wouldn't be shocked to find I am not alone with my thoughts.

........................... Paul S ...........................

I agree with your post and was not calling anyone names, but when you come out with something that is completely wrong and is so untrue it needs to be corrected. I agree you should not talk down to anyone nor was I trying to do that. Sometimes it is hard to tell what one means when reading on a forum. I apologize to you if you feel that way.

 

[mchess1]

First off, I apologize for the continuation of the thread jack below.

As someone certified to teach diversity, one of the first things we discuss in class is the difference between intent and impact.

Dana, since I have read about you helping many folks on this forum, including others who I respect their opinions, I believe that your intent is to help and guide others.

I will say that in many posts your impact on ME (you should never speak for others) is that you seem to be talking down to those with less experience. As you point out, writing in a forum is very difficult to de-cypher exactly what you mean and can seriously be misunderstood. I have continued to give you the benefit of the doubt based on those factors AND on that fact that I, as someone new to using a polisher, have picked up some tips from you.

That said, your impact on me in your post to Buckskincolt was that there were many nicer ways to handle what your opinion was regarding the polishers. Even if you believe he was 100% incorrect, his experience may be different and we are all just posting our opinions. I hope that no one would base a purchase from AG on just one post, be that you, me, or Buckskincolt.

I found this statement especially impactful on me.

Now just relax and realize a Griots polisher-Hy-dro pads and WG TSR and glaze does not fix everything.

This hit me especially wrong because my take from many of your posts is that you believe ONLY an ipa wipedown between each step and 105/205 fixes everything.

So simply, my intent was to point out I hope you are misunderstood in your posts. My suggestion is to be more careful in your choice of words if you want to impact me differently. Again I won't speak for others.

I hope my post has the intended impact on you and that you do not take it negatively. I still believe that you have much to give to the forum and I still have things to learn.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

I hear you and appreciate that you get something from my post and yes sometimes some of my post can be worded differently. On the other hand if you get to know me better and see the style of which I post you would understand there is no intention of being rude unless you come back in such a fashion.

As far as the 105/205 and IPA wipedowns. With new people I would suggest these polishes for one-they can be used in so many more different situtaion then the WG stuff with just a change of the pad on a da. The WG stuff can not.Secondly- No matter what polish you use you should be doing an IPA wipedown to check your progress. 105 whether it be a da or rotary finishes down nicer than Powergloss. Plus if you noticed on some posts I suggest 3M, some Menzerna, but most on here are using a da so that would be my advice for a da user.
If there is a rotary involved I know you can get a lot more done with those two polishes and I am not going to say he get this line that line and so on and so forth. I ebjoy Menzerna products use them still but they just are not as flexible as the Megs twins are now.

So in the future I hope I can still help you in my future posts and will try to work on some of my wording but like I said it isn't meant in a mean or rude way unless someone else acts as such.

 

[mavven77]

Ok guys, I have read through this entire thread (SINCE I STARTED IT LOL) and it went from me asking a simple question to a total roller coaster and went wayyyyyyy off topic. I am now going to fix that, I hope...

Once again I get home late from work so it seems like I always miss all the action/replies.

I would like to Inform everyone that I pulled the trigger at 11:48 EST My budget was exactly $220.00 and these are the results.

Griots ROP $119.99
Lake Country 6.5 CCS Pads 6 Pack $44.99 I chose White, Gray, Blue, Orange, and 2 Red.
Wolfgang 8oz. Swirl remover Combo $34.99 Swirl removal 3.0/Finishing Glaze 3.0
I wanted to purchase the WGPS 3.0 but that would have put me over my budget so I chose to go with
Poorboy's World EX-P Pure Sealant $17.99 ( I hope I made a good choice with this)
Grand total was $217.96

So now I will break down my planned detail (once machine and products arrive) products not mentioned above I purchased last week with the intent to hand apply. To all who have much more experience please tell me if I am on the correct track with the steps below.

Wash: Megs NXT Soap.
Clay: Pinnacle Ultra Poly Clay.
P21 Paint Cleaner: Please tell me if I have to use this after claying or after Swirl remover or after Glaze I am confused with this, some say no cleaner some say cleaner, the way I look at it, I have it so why not use it? Which Pad should I use?
Wolfgang: Swirl remover. Which Pad?
Wolfgang: Finishing Glaze. Which Pad?
Poorboy's: Sealant. Which Pad?
DP: Max Wax. Which Pad?

For the record, please no suggestion about doing some of the steps by hand. I purchased the griots to practice and become familiar with the machine.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

I would start with the white pad and TSR , if that is not working move to the orange. You might need to go over your swirls/defects with whichever pad that is working the best. Then if you had to use the orange pad I would go ver that with TSR and the white pad, then move onto the glaze and your blue pad. If the white pad and TSR do the job you can move to the glaze and blue pad.

No need to use your paint cleaner after claying, you can use your paint cleaner after you maintenance washes and before applying your lsp after all this work is done. As in your next wash once the above is done.

For the sealant I would use your red pad and with your wax if you choose to apply the lsp's by machine. Most apply lsp by hand but nothing wrong with using your new polisher.

Lastly do not forget to provide pics after all your hard work is done.

 

[mavven77]

I would start with the white pad and TSR , if that is not working move to the orange. You might need to go over your swirls/defects with whichever pad that is working the best. Then if you had to use the orange pad I would go ver that with TSR and the white pad, then move onto the glaze and your blue pad. If the white pad and TSR do the job you can move to the glaze and blue pad.

No need to use your paint cleaner after claying, you can use your paint cleaner after you maintenance washes and before applying your lsp after all this work is done. As in your next wash once the above is done.

For the sealant I would use your red pad and with your wax if you choose to apply the lsp's by machine. Most apply lsp by hand but nothing wrong with using your new polisher.

Lastly do not forget to provide pics after all your hard work is done.

Not sure If you know but my car is a new 2009 Accord Beige Metallic, so I should be ok with the white pad.

Ok as per your suggestions
Wash
Clay
TSR: White Pad
Glaze: Blue Pad
Sealant: Red Pad
WAX: Red Pad

So you say after all this, a week or so later to use the paint cleaner after the wash?

And what is your opinion of the poorboy's sealant?

BTW Thanks for your fast reply and advice :dblthumb2:

 

[Rsurfer]

Not sure If you know but my car is a new 2009 Accord Beige Metallic, so I should be ok with the white pad.

Ok as per your suggestions
Wash
Clay
TSR: White Pad
Glaze: Blue Pad
Sealant: Red Pad
WAX: Red Pad

So you say after all this, a week or so later to use the paint cleaner after the wash?

And what is your opinion of the poorboy's sealant?

BTW Thanks for your fast reply and advice :dblthumb2:

You should use the paint cleaner before your next wax/sealant as it will remove the existing wax/sealant. I wish you had the extra money for the Wolfgang's 3.0 sealant. You need more white pads. Good luck!:buffing: