Corvette owners(or anyone), what do you think?

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

could I use 105 then straight to 85rd or ultrafina? Or, is 205 required following 105?

No, you need to follow 105 up with 205, then 85rd or Ultrafina for the icing on the cake.

Ultrafina was the name from the beginning, it has since changed to Ultrafine. Everyone knows that Ultrafina is Ultrafine.

To answer your question about 205, it is fine to use with a da.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

When I ordered 105/205 a couple days ago, for the 105 is says new "DA approved" formula. What makes it DA approved. It doesn't say DA approved for 205?

M205 came out about a year after M105 and came out for use with either rotary or DA polisher.

M105 came out first as rotary buffer or hand applied and then about a year later was reformulated for use with a DA due to overwhelming requests primarily from the online enthusiast market, not from the body shop industry where these two products were intended to be sold and used.

 

[David Fermani]

Just to note, it's Ultrafine on the English portion of the label, I think one person, one time posted Ultrafina, which is the Spanish portion of the label and then everyone copied that person like lemmings.

If you look close, you can see in the top name on the label it says, Ultrafine and below it it says Ultrafina.

Doesn't matter to me but I think it causes confusing as people think there are two different lines one is Ultrafine and one is Ultrafina and they are the same line extension in the 3M family of products, just different languages that cater to the demographic market.

FYI: From it's inception it's been called Ultrafina. It was just recently updated to Ultrafine. It's the same product.

 

[David Fermani]

M105 came out first as rotary buffer or hand applied and then about a year later was reformulated for use with a DA due to overwhelming requests primarily from the online enthusiast market, not from the body shop industry where these two products were intended to be sold and used.

I didn't know that? I never noticed Meg's pushing M105/205 in body shops and can honestly say I've never seen it used in any shop I've ever gone in? I thought their Solo system was intended for the body shop market primarily? Alteast that's what our local Meg's Sales Rep explained to me.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I didn't know that? I never noticed Meg's pushing M105/205 in body shops and can honestly say I've never seen it used in any shop I've ever gone in? I thought their Solo system was intended for the body shop market primarily? At least that's what our local Meg's Sales Rep explained to me.

Two different approaches but both are formulated for and targeted at the refinishing industry.

If M105 and M205 were formulated for and targeted at the Consumer market they would be in Consumer packaging like Ultimate Compound and SwirlX.

You hear a lot of things from different people but M105 and M205 are body shop products. Anyone can use them just like anyone can use anything they fancy but hopefully it will be the correct product for the job and safe to use in the environment it's being used in.

The official Meguiar's Sales Manager for Florida is David Pedre is that who you talked to? He was at last years Detail Fest and should be there this year as well unless of conflicting schedules.

 

[David Fermani]

Yup - I know Dave as well as the local boys @ 3M & several vendors who sell their line. Meg's is quite challenged (to say the least) with their presence in the body shop industry. Polar opposites to 3M actually. Wise move for them to combine forces. Only time will tell how it plays out, but not real impressive so far.

 

[arkus]

No, you need to follow 105 up with 205, then 85rd or Ultrafina for the icing on the cake.

Ultrafina was the name from the beginning, it has since changed to Ultrafine. Everyone knows that Ultrafina is Ultrafine.

To answer your question about 205, it is fine to use with a da.

Is 3m ultrafine ok to use with a flex orbital buffer ?

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Alton,

I tried M105 and didn't like it at all. I think it cuts very well, but it has a short buffing cycle(play time) and is very hard to remove!! Have you tried it?

 

[arkus]

Yes , last night . At first I didn't like it either , it dried up way to soon . I tried it again and used a lot of product so it couldnt dry up so soon . It really did the trick on the red one . The red car had a lot of fine scratches and swirls on the top portion of the Rear bumper . The paint looks very good now . On your car , I wouldn't think you need such an aggressive cutting agent. Sip would be plenty strong for your paint . But I didn't look at it in good light .

 

[arkus]

I don't know how these proffesionals can do a car in only one day .

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Is 3m ultrafine ok to use with a flex orbital buffer ?

Yes.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

I don't know how these proffesionals can do a car in only one day .

Depending on how bad the car is, those who are doing it correctly usually take a couple days to complete vehicle.

You can use Ultrafina/Ultrafine with a da, but it doesn't seem to get the same results when used with a rotary. If you have a da I would suggest using 85rd.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Depending on how bad the car is, those who are doing it correctly usually take a couple days to complete vehicle.

Here's where we agree, if you're working on a neglected finish, then doing it right means taking the appropriate amount of time to do each step. You can't simply move a polisher faster over the surface in an effort to speed the job up and expect to get the same results you would get moving the polisher over the surface at the correct speed. Moving any polisher over the paint like a wild man doesn't work.

The problem for a lot of Pro detailers is educating their customer on this point and then getting them to pay for 2 and even 3 days labor to do the job correctly.

If you can only get a price that covers one day's work then you have to hustle in all the places you can hustle and if you're doing the work correctly then invest the time it takes to massage each panel to perfection with whatever tool, pad and product you're using.

Kind of relates back to this article.

The Mindset of a Professional Detailer

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Yes , last night . At first I didn't like it either , it dried up way to soon . I tried it again and used a lot of product so it couldnt dry up so soon . It really did the trick on the red one . The red car had a lot of fine scratches and swirls on the top portion of the Rear bumper . The paint looks very good now . On your car , I wouldn't think you need such an aggressive cutting agent. Sip would be plenty strong for your paint . But I didn't look at it in good light .

Oh, it definitely does the trick as far as defect removal! Myself, being s noob, I don't want to have to fight with a polish. As I become more familiar with machine polishing, I'm sure I will appreciate it more. In the meantime, I tried meguirs ultimate compound. It's next in line as far as cut to 105, and it's much easier to use, IMO. Best thing is you can pick it up locally.

 

[daveinsweethome]

one thing on the griots 3 inch. it will seem very light in your hands and at higher speeds seem like a banshee. just be careful at first. it is amazing with white pads on windshields.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Here's where we agree, if you're working on a neglected finish, then doing it right means taking the appropriate amount of time to do each step. You can't simply move a polisher faster over the surface in an effort to speed the job up and expect to get the same results you would get moving the polisher over the surface at the correct speed. Moving any polisher over the paint like a wild man doesn't work.

The problem for a lot of Pro detailers is educating their customer on this point and then getting them to pay for 2 and even 3 days labor to do the job correctly.

If you can only get a price that covers one day's work then you have to hustle in all the places you can hustle and if you're doing the work correctly then invest the time it takes to massage each panel to perfection with whatever tool, pad and product you're using.

Kind of relates back to this article.

The Mindset of a Professional Detailer

Oh, come on Mike we have agreed on a few things on here-lol. Seriously though, are they really "pros" if they can not explain the couple extra days and get the correctr pay for doing the job correctly. Also if they rush and put out a poor product would you still call them a "pro". I think being a pro should cover all aspects of the business, not just being able to supposedly detail a car. I really feel this "pro" detailer term is used very loosely. Just because one gets paid to do something does not make them a "pro". What are your thoughts and I can understand if you do not want go to indepth for fear of hurting someones feelings since you are in the postition you are with AG.

 

[arkus]

Polishing cars is a hobby of mine and I learn as I go , by no means a professional . I might do one step per day and even skip days working on my own cars . I'm in no hurry . It usually takes me a month to get my car looking like I want it ( a used swirled car )
even if I work on it the whole weekend , I will find something I could improve on and it starts all over .