Can someone post a pic of marring?

Lasthope05 said:
That is why we use the least agressive method first. But to answer your question, swirls are random and scattered in all directions but user instill swirls(marring) are more uniform all going in a circular direction if using a rotary.
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:iagree:Marring left by a polishing machine, either rotary or DA, is uniform and usually smaller and lighter than wash/towel-induced marring. If you really look at the paint while you're polishing and you notice uniform, smaller marks in the paint, that's marring. Haze is different, though you can get both depending on pad/product combination IME. It's not hard to tell. You'll see it pretty quickly.
 
adrock2003 said:
:iagree:Marring left by a polishing machine, either rotary or DA, is uniform and usually smaller and lighter than wash/towel-induced marring. If you really look at the paint while you're polishing and you notice uniform, smaller marks in the paint, that's marring. Haze is different, though you can get both depending on pad/product combination IME. It's not hard to tell. You'll see it pretty quickly.
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Just polished a panel on black paint with 105/orange, and used the brinkmann after. I can clearly see what the difference is between polishing marring and "other" marring. I went over the paint with 205 and a white pad with the 3401, and it helped a little, but the marring is still there. I realize there's scratches that just wont come out, but I can't seem to get the paint "clear".
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
What kind of flash are you taking pics with? Good stuff...
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Actually, I used my Niterider Trinewt bike light on low haha. I didn't have anything else when I first moved to CA but it worked pretty well! The last one is natural sunlight, I will be getting a dedicated LED/halogen flashlight soon though.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Just polished a panel on black paint with 105/orange, and used the brinkmann after. I can clearly see what the difference is between polishing marring and "other" marring. I went over the paint with 205 and a white pad with the 3401, and it helped a little, but the marring is still there. I realize there's scratches that just wont come out, but I can't seem to get the paint "clear".
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Use a softer pad and work the polish longer. I would try a black pad with a longer working time, using as little pressure as possible (machine weight only) for the last few passes. That should help you out, but you are right in saying that it could be other deeper defects that were not completely removed during the polishing stage.
 
christian900se said:
Use a softer pad and work the polish longer. I would try a black pad with a longer working time, using as little pressure as possible (machine weight only) for the last few passes. That should help you out, but you are right in saying that it could be other deeper defects that were not completely removed during the polishing stage.
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I know it's marring that I'm referring to. The other scratches that wont come out look completely different. The marring I'm referring to has to be seen up close and under bright light.
 
christian900se said:
Use a softer pad and work the polish longer. I would try a black pad with a longer working time, using as little pressure as possible (machine weight only) for the last few passes. That should help you out, but you are right in saying that it could be other deeper defects that were not completely removed during the polishing stage.
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Tried the black pad, definitely better, but still not perfect. Even the white pad marred the hell out of the paint with 205. I pretty sure part I worked on has been re-painted awhile back. I'll have to ask my brother. Must be very soft paint.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Tried the black pad, definitely better, but still not perfect. Even the white pad marred the hell out of the paint with 205. I pretty sure part I worked on has been re-painted awhile back. I'll have to ask my brother. Must be very soft paint.
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205 can be a pain to finish with real soft paint. I've been beating my head against the wall on super-soft Harley Vivid Black and the conventional techniques just don't pay off.

One post I read somewhere reported using a finishing pad with 105 to get a mar-free finish on super-soft black paint. Nick Chapman had a detail of a black Colorado posted on MOL some time ago that was driving him nuts trying to finish out with 205. Then he tried Ultrafina and Menz and everything else he could think of until he tried something totally out of the box... a yellow LC with 205 and the thing finished like a mirror! Go figure.

IIRC, he ended up buying it and discovered much to his alarm that the thing swirled if you walked by it too fast. Not exactly what a pro detailer wants to be seen driving around, I'd think.

TL
 
TLMitchell said:
205 can be a pain to finish with real soft paint. I've been beating my head against the wall on super-soft Harley Vivid Black and the conventional techniques just don't pay off.

One post I read somewhere reported using a finishing pad with 105 to get a mar-free finish on super-soft black paint. Nick Chapman had a detail of a black Colorado posted on MOL some time ago that was driving him nuts trying to finish out with 205. Then he tried Ultrafina and Menz and everything else he could think of until he tried something totally out of the box... a yellow LC with 205 and the thing finished like a mirror! Go figure.

IIRC, he ended up buying it and discovered much to his alarm that the thing swirled if you walked by it too fast. Not exactly what a pro detailer wants to be seen driving around, I'd think.

TL
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Just tried....
Grey and 105, marred the paint
Yellow and 205, marred the hell out of the paint.
Went back to grey and 205 which has given the best result, but not perfect.

Maybe I need to try Menz Nano or 85rd?
 
Definately try 85rd, it is my go to finishing polish on any car. My Saab has very soft black paint and 85rd finishes so nicely. You will definately not have any problems producing a marring free finish if you jewel with 85rd as your last step.
 
christian900se said:
Definately try 85rd, it is my go to finishing polish on any car. My Saab has very soft black paint and 85rd finishes so nicely. You will definately not have any problems producing a marring free finish if you jewel with 85rd as your last step.
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What range of pads(color) can be used with 85rd?
 
Go back over the paint with 105 and a less cut pad then your 205.

If 205 hasn't taken the marring out then 85rd isn't going to.
 
ASPHALT ROCKET said:
Go back over the paint with 105 and a less cut pad then your 205.

If 205 hasn't taken the marring out then 85rd isn't going to.
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That makes sense because 85rd has less cut, correct?

I tried 105 with a gray pad, and it made the marring worse. 205 with the gray has been the best. I can still see marring, though. I wonder if I can get it any better? I think this is where skill and technique comes into play...
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
That makes sense because 85rd has less cut, correct?

I tried 105 with a gray pad, and it made the marring worse. 205 with the gray has been the best. I can still see marring, though. I wonder if I can get it any better?
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Then try 105 with a different pad and different pressures, it will get better you just have to play around with different techniques, this may take awhile since you are just starting out but the marring should be removed.

That would be correct about 85rd and when you use a heavier cut with a finishing polish it will fill.
 
The pictures posted in this thread look like what we normally call swirls, which are random scratches.

Rotary buffer swirls are circular swirls in pattern usually following the direction the rotary buffer was moved over the paint.

Marring, or hazing, or "tick marks" caused by too aggressive pad or product or combination of pad and product when used with a tool that oscillates looks completely different than swirls.

There are no "Word Police", yet so everyone may have a different opinion of what the definition of marring or hazing looks like but I'll see if I can get a picture and post it to show what the kind of marring or hazing caused by a DA Polisher looks like as it's much different than swirls like shown in the pictures of this thread.


:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
There are no "Word Police", yet so everyone may have a different opinion of what the definition of marring or hazing looks like but I'll see if I can get a picture and post it to show what the kind of marring or hazing caused by a DA Polisher looks like as it's much different than swirls like shown in the pictures of this thread.


:)
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You bring up a good point, I think many words like swirls and marring are used interchangeably.

marred, mar·ring

1. To inflict damage, especially disfiguring damage, on.
2. To impair the soundness, perfection, or integrity of; spoil.
n. A disfiguring mark; a blemish.
 
I reduced the speed to 3 on 3401 with a gray pad and 205. Put moderate pressure, then very light pressure for the final passes. This seemed to help tremendously. Im the MAN
 
Actually, when I got my brinkmann charged up, the polish induced marring is still there. :( I wonder if I should try another finishing polish?
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Actually, when I got my brinkmann charged up, the polish induced marring is still there. :( I wonder if I should try another finishing polish?
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You mentioned it was repainted, it is always possible that certain defects can be below the clearcoat in which case no amount of polishing can ever fix that. Besides, you are already using one of the least aggressive polish and pad combinations for finishing so I have a hard time seeing how you are still getting marring from that combo.
 
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