The Best 2-Step Menzerna Application

Shade Tree said:
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Usually a single stage polishing with the PF will be enough for just about any car. The darker colored cars are where the 85RD will almost always be warranted to get the "POP" out of the color that much more.
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Shade, what's a good all around pad to use with power finish on soft paint? Same question, but on hard paint as well?
 
Shade Tree said:
+1

Usually a single stage polishing with the PF will be enough for just about any car. The darker colored cars are where the 85RD will almost always be warranted to get the "POP" out of the color that much more.
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So basically you would not use both pads, you would choose one or the other based on condition??? I think thats what you're getting at..

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07 z-oh-6 said:
Shade, what's a good all around pad to use with power finish on soft paint? Same question, but on hard paint as well?
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White pad is what I prefer to use on the softer paints. My bimmer is Jet Black & ridiculously soft. White pad polishes leaving no marring behind. If using 85RD then blue or black pads are my preference.

lol ....... if? You know I'm going to use the 85. LOL
 
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MobolWerks said:
So basically you would not use both pads, you would choose one or the other based on condition??? I think thats what you're getting at..

Feed back please
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Yes, typically green is going to be the best choice IMHO.

If the paint correction is going to be intense and you're limited with the paint thickness being minimal then a yellow pad will give just a little more "bite" when used with the PF. Definitely follow up with the 85RD, but with a softer pad like the blue, black or red.
 
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Shade Tree said:
White pad is what I prefer to use on the softer paints. My bimmer is Jet Black & ridiculously soft. White pad polishes leaving no marring behind. If using 85RD then blue or black pads are my preference.

lol ....... if? You know I'm going to use the 85. LOL
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So what is a basic go to list of soft paints vs. hard paints... I know Mercedes Ceramic Clear Coat would be on the hard side, but I'm unclear on "softness"..

I have heard that Toyota, Lexus, Range Rovers, Porsche, and Bentley are soft...

..but honestly I still don't get what that means (soft paint that is..)

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MobolWerks said:
So what is a basic go to list of soft paints vs. hard paints... I know Mercedes Ceramic Clear Coat would be on the hard side, but I'm unclear on "softness"..

I have heard that Toyota, Lexus, Range Rovers, Porsche, and Bentley are soft...

..but honestly I still don't get what that means (soft paint that is..)

Feed back please
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Soft paint mainly includes water based manufacturer paints.

Metallic paint will typically be a harder base than say a solid color. 90% + of the European vehicles are going to have the softer paints because they use a water based paint system rather the more common oil based paint system.

Domestic paint will be more durable and more forgiving when polishing.

Domestic & Import paints are going to be the most durable.

European paints softer.

Metallic are usually harder/more durable, but still consider the origin of the car when polishing.

Water based paints are becoming more widely accepted in keeping with the environment so eventually you will see all manufacturers going to this system (if they haven't already!). Older European, Domestic and Import paints are oil based and can handle a deep polishing without reservation of deterioration.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Shade, what's a good all around pad to use with power finish on soft paint? Same question, but on hard paint as well?
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Sorry missed the 2nd part of that ...........

Green pad on softer paints (European mainly & solid colors)
White pad on harder paints (Import & Domestic & metallic)
 
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Shade Tree said:
Sorry missed the 2nd part of that ...........

White pad on softer paints (European mainly & solid colors)
Green pad on harder paints (Import & Domestic & metallic)
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I'm not trying to step on your toes...

Wouldn't you want to use the white pad(more aggressive) on harder paints, and the green pad on soft paint because of less marring?
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
I'm not trying to step on your toes...

Wouldn't you want to use the white pad(more aggressive) on harder paints, and the green pad on soft paint because of less marring?
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YES!

Sorry, I had them turned around ......... writing on 2 forums isn't such a good thing in the AM.

Fixing my posts ..... FIXED.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
So basically asian manufacturers(honda, toyota, etc..)?
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Imports - harder paint structure (solid & metallic colors)
Toyota, Lexus, Infiniti, Honda, Acura, Nissan etc

Domestic - harder paint structure (solid & metallic)
GM, Ford, Chrysler products

European - softer paint structure (solid colors mainly, but metallic somewhat harder)
BMW, Mercedes, Rolls Royce, Range Rover, Audi, VW and all exotics

I'm sure I missed lots of manufacturers, but you get the idea.
 
Shade Tree said:
Imports - harder paint structure (solid & metallic colors)
Toyota, Lexus, Infiniti, Honda, Acura, Nissan etc

Domestic - harder paint structure (solid & metallic)
GM, Ford, Chrysler products

European - softer paint structure (solid colors mainly, but metallic somewhat harder)
BMW, Mercedes, Rolls Royce, Range Rover, Audi, VW and all exotics

I'm sure I missed lots of manufacturers, but you get the idea.
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Bookmarked! :righton:
 
Shade Tree said:
Sorry missed the 2nd part of that ...........

Green pad on softer paints (European mainly & solid colors)
White pad on harder paints (Import & Domestic & metallic)
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Apparently I'm retarded... Is a European Car in the US not considered an Import???

You said Green on European Cars (i.e. BMW, Mercedes) and White on "Import" cars

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MobolWerks said:
Apparently I'm retarded... Is a European Car in the US not considered an Import???

You said Green on European Cars (i.e. BMW, Mercedes) and White on "Import" cars

Feed back please
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LOL ......... if you look at it as "this car was imported from somewhere" then yes, all cars outside of the US would be considered imports.

Imports is meant to refer to the Asian market of automobiles.

European is meant to refer to Europe's market of automobiles.

Maybe Import came about because the US imports so much of what's sold here from that particular region? At any rate, 3 classes of vehicles.

Swedish falls within the European market as well. Volvo ....
 
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