Show Car Garage Video: Optimum Hyper Polish

Mike after you polished the whole car did you use the Optimum Car Wax on the whole car? If you did, is it something you feel comfortable doing in regards to it being able to protect the paint enough especially here in the hot Florida sun?

Hi Darren,

I'm sorry for not posting the link to the "Follow-up" portion of this video where I buff out the entire car. We don't just do spots or mock-ups for the sake of brevity but someone, (me), actually walks the walk and finishes the entire car.

Here's the follow-up,

Optimum Hyper Polish - 2003 Honda Civic LX


Check it out and you can see which products I used from start to finish.

As for the Optimum "Car Wax", which is a spray-on wax, after meeting and working with David Ghodoussi in person 3 times now I have a lot of confidence in his abilities as a chemist and yes I would trust his spray-on car wax for protection anywhere.

But let me add a little to that so there's no misunderstanding... this is something I've been writing for years, maybe a decade now and I'm always happy to see others share on other forums for educational purposes.

There is no miracle product available to the enthusiast market at this time that will 100% prevent all harm your your car's paint. Simply put....

Mike Phillips said:
"Anything strong enough, or corrosive enough to physically damage an urethane clear coat finish, that is the paint itself is also strong enough to damage the micron, or sub-micron layer of protection you apply as a paste, liquid or spray-on wax"


I've seen the Uric Acid in a bird dropping etch paint in less than 10 minutes after the paint had been compounded, polished and sealed with two coats of wax. I believe that chances are very high that the type of wax in this particular incident wouldn't matter as to the damaging effect the Uric Acid had on both the layer of wax and then the paint.


I also believe that car wax, (or a paint sealant for all the D.O. people in the world), is a Sacrificial Barrier Coating. That is it's a coating you and I can easily apply that will slow down the harmful effects of corrosive elements that land on the paint and anything else harmful that can happen to the paint. Key words being slow down, not 100% stop or prevent.

The idea being that as your car's finish sees wear-and-tear and the wax or paint sealant wears off or in other words, sacrifices itself [so your paint doesn't have to sacrifice itself], that you and I can then wash the car to remove any loose dirt, clay the paint to remove any above surface bonded contaminants, and the RE-APPLY your choice of wax or paint sealant whether it's a liquid, paste or spray-on product.

The key is to,

"Find something you like and use it often"


If you find something you like then obviously you like,

  • How it applies
  • How it dries or doesn't dry
  • How it wipes off
  • how it looks
  • How it lasts
  • How it protects

That's pretty much the majority of reasons we all wax our cars.

THEN... if you do this often... your car's finish will always look like brand new. It's only when you and I neglect our car's finish and the car is used as a daily driver and thus exposed to the elements and wear-and-tear, that it goes down hill without intervention.


And to these points, I believe the Optimum Car Wax will work as well as any other quality product on the market when used as directed and re-applied as often as needed to replace the portions of it that wear off under normal use of the vehicle.

How often is often?

If you park your car in a garage an only drive it on sunny Sundays then you won't have to re-apply any company's wax or paint sealant very often in order to maintain that show room new look.​

If you drive your car everyday, and for a portion of each day it's parked outside, for example when your at work, and/or when you're home if you don't have a garage or covered parking at your place of residence to shelter the paint, then you will have to re-apply your any company's wax or paint sealant more often in order to maintain that show room new look.​


Pretty simple really...


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Mike,

Excellent stuff:xyxthumbs:

To help explain a few things, namely "Why a spray polish (compound)?" I would like to post up my experience so far with these new products.

We use both methods, both spraying onto the pads and also the paint. As noted by Mike the pad surface becomes your tool now, not just a certain area. Likewise if sprayed onto the paint itself, say the license plate area, it gets everywhere so your whole pad then becomes a cutting or polishing tool, even the sides of the pad.

I did this with the new silk wool pads and it worked fantastic. I was able to polish all areas at once instead of concentrating on several areas individually.

Less product is used also.

Anthony
 
Thanks Mike...Just want to applogize though, I posted the same question today on another thread before I read this...Sorry
 
Not to take the thread of topic Mike, just wanted ask questions about the product. I hope you guys don't mind too. Just to clear things out, i have no intentions of bashing the product. I'm actually planning to try it out as well.

Off to the questions, i'm sure others are quite curious as well. What is the composition of the polish..i know it's proprietary, i mean at first use, how did it appear once sprayed? Oily? Do you feel a little bit of abrasive material when rubbing it between your fingers? Did it seem like the pad was doing the correction for you? Does it fill or protect due to the polymers in it?

By first read of the product description, i had the thinking this was a compound since it was designed to remove sandmarks in a car factory. But that was cleared out at previous replies. If this is a polish, then it would seem like the wool or cutting foam pad is cutting and the super micro abrasives are polishing and merely acting as a lubricant. Does that make sense?

Thanks, Mike. :)
 
Not to take the thread of topic Mike, just wanted ask questions about the product. I hope you guys don't mind too. Just to clear things out, i have no intentions of bashing the product. I'm actually planning to try it out as well.

I'll do my best to answer your questions...


Off to the questions, i'm sure others are quite curious as well.

What is the composition of the polish..i know it's proprietary, i mean at first use, how did it appear once sprayed? Oily?

Not oily, more watery. See pictures at the end of my reply.

Do you feel a little bit of abrasive material when rubbing it between your fingers?

You can feel a little bit of abrasives. I think I posted and spoke in the video that this is a SMAT and DAT product, another SMAT/DAT product that comes to mind is Meguiar's M95

Did it seem like the pad was doing the correction for you?

No, the product is definitely cutting.

Does it fill or protect due to the polymers in it?

The compound and polish are both "Body Shop Safe", for anyone that's never worked in the body shop industry, or the "Fresh Paint Environment", "Body Shop Safe" means there's not "ingredients" that will cause "Surface Adhesion Issues" when spraying fresh paint onto prepped surfaces.

Ingredients that can cause surface adhesion problems would be anything that would cause water to bead because that's a sign of surface tension and just like water would bead, so would fresh paint try to bead to "move away" from wherever the ingredient that causes water to bead was deposited.

If you think about it, most people attribute waxes and paint sealants as causing water to bead and in most cases, not all but most, the ingredients that are causing the water to bead are the "protection ingredients".

So by default, "Body Shop Safe" products usually don't contain 'Protection Ingredients" because their protection characteristics would be a negative effect in and area where you want everything surgically clean for good surface adhesion characteristics.

Make sense?

As for filling, I don't know, everyone on the Internet confuses fillers with lubricants, for some reason, over the years I've noticed that the idea of creating beauty always gets left out of this topic? As in always.

A lubricating film, whatever the ingredients are to create lubrication, enables abrasives to abrade without scouring. Think about buffing a car with beach sand and just water. Water is a liquid and it's a lubricant, but when it comes to creating beauty on either a basecoat/clearcoat or single stage finish, it's not the "best" lubricant especially considering automotive paints are thin, easily scratched and easily dulled.

I think David Ghodoussi is on vacation, I spoke with him yesterday about cutting ability of the compound to clarify what grit of sanding mark the Hyper Compound is designed to remover, (#1500 and higher), but that's as far as our conversation went as I like to respect people's vacation time.

By first read of the product description, i had the thinking this was a compound since it was designed to remove sanding marks in a car factory. But that was cleared out at previous replies.

The polish is designed to remove sanding marks out of paint on assembly lines inside of car manufactures assembly plants.

Keep in mind that products and procedures used on assembly lines or "polishing decks" is different than what body shops do and what detailers do and what enthusiasts do...

I've been typing this for years and here it is again...

Besides the product, (in this case an abrasive polish), your application material and application process are HUGE FACTORS.


Product = Whatever the substance is being applied to a surface to affect the surface in some manner. This could be a compound to abrade or a non-abrasive polish to maximize gloss, clarity and depth.

Application Material = Whatever it is you're suing to apply the product, that could be a soft foam buffing pad, a wool cutting pad, or Steel Wool if you're removing White Rust of Aluminum.

Application Process = How you are applying the product with the application material, this could be by hand, or by machine or with a pressure washer when you apply water under force to an engine compartment.

Lots of variables. David himself said in the video for the Polish here, that you can change the cut of the polish by changing the aggressiveness of the pad.

If this is a polish, then it would seem like the wool or cutting foam pad is cutting and the super micro abrasives are polishing and merely acting as a lubricant. Does that make sense?

That could make sense if the polish were non-abrasive but it's public knowledge that the product is an abrasive polish by design for the purpose of removing defects out of automotive paints and other coatings and materials.

Thanks, Mike. :)

No problemo... I hope I did a good job of answering your questions.

A few years ago I posted to a public forum that the trend that I saw that differentiated detailing discussion forums from one another was the quality of information or answers a person could get from the different forums.

Of course, everyone's different, some people like a single sentence answer while some people like an in-depth answer that explains what to do and why you're doing it.

With a click of a mouse, people via the free market can decide which forum they get the best quality information from and my goal is to always post information that makes us a top choice.


Now here's some pictures I just took to show you first hand what the product actually looks like as far as, looks, feel and consistency.... I'm confident you can get this on all the other forums if you ask...

OptPolishFeelConsist01.jpg


OptPolishFeelConsist02.jpg


OptPolishFeelConsist03.jpg


OptPolishFeelConsist04.jpg



:)
 
I think you were being really specific when you asked about cutting like a aggressive compound that can take out #1200 grit sanding marks to a very gentle finishing polish like PO85RD

WITH a wool cutting pad on a rotary buffer it will cut like a LIGHT compound, not like an aggressive compound, this is a polish. With a finishing pad it will finish out like a finishing polish.

:props:


Mike,

Speaking of rotary buffer, why did you use that since many people only have a Porter Cable and/or Flex?

btw - Nice video with you and David!! :props:
 
Mike,

Speaking of rotary buffer, why did you use that since many people only have a Porter Cable and/or Flex?

btw - Nice video with you and David!! :props:

Because David Ghodoussi created these products to be able to be used with rotary buffers as professional grade products, if you look at the picture on the label, it shows a rotary buffer.

Not always, but usually the picture on a label is chosen very specifically to convey a message. For example if these were hand applied products you would have seen a hand working the product on a panel.

They are versatile so you can use them with different machines, but this is a system approach that Professionals in the refinishing industry can use to compound and polish paint after sanding using a rotary buffer.

Also, showing a rotary buffer and a DA polisher is kind of like showing a range of tools as one requires skill and experience to use correctly while the other can be learned after buffing out the front clip of a car.

:)
 
Because David Ghodoussi created these products to be able to be used with rotary buffers as professional grade products, if you look at the picture on the label, it shows a rotary buffer.

Not always, but usually the picture on a label is chosen very specifically to convey a message. For example if these were hand applied products you would have seen a hand working the product on a panel.

They are versatile so you can use them with different machines, but this is a system approach that Professionals in the refinishing industry can use to compound and polish paint after sanding using a rotary buffer.

Also, showing a rotary buffer and a DA polisher is kind of like showing a range of tools as one requires skill and experience to use correctly while the other can be learned after buffing out the front clip of a car.

:)

Well, I figured that. I will have a hard time using a rotary buffer on something with my busted finger on my right hand. I will be going to San Antonio next Friday and will be in the San Antonio/Boerne area for over a week. I will have to let Anthony check and see if I will have any problems using a rotary buffer on something. I'm not worried if I mess up the front end on my Mazda since I will have it all repainted soon. Of course, there is a purpuse behind the repainting on my vehicles front end. ;)
 
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