The Cure for M105's short working time and dusting issues

Bunky said:
The flexibility of paint is clear once you see a few dents removed by a PDR guy with no signs of a previous dent after he finishes.
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Of course! Great point! I didn't think of that, but it's a perfect example of paint's elasticity.
 
Jason Rose said:
I'm not sure a sub-surface phenomenon measured in microns can be photographed. However, an evidential outcome of swelling is the reduction of top coat thickness after a while. This can be measured.
Also, the surface roughness changes with swelling and shrinkage...this too can be measured with digital profilometers.

Paint is a semi-permeable elastic membrane. Swelling, stretching, and shrinking happens a lot more than people think.
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Thanks for chiming in with an informative answer.


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I'm soo glad I stumbled across this thread! It just made me confident to try M105. Reading all the dusting issues made me really think. One question though, would hot weather be a big negative in how m105 reacts??
 
ive switched to MENZERNA SUPER INTENSIVE POLISH compared to 105 its a lil less aggrassive but w the right pad and the FLEX it can level any imperfection needed im a big 105 fan but as the florida heat increases my workin time decreases...I fiquered unless u are working on junk yard cars u probally do not need to take off that much clearcoat........MENZERNA levels swirls like ive never seen then follow w Meguiars 205 for a mirror finish everytime . top w BLACKFIRE and you have the best finish.....
 
Btw my method of using M105 a little different from you guys. I never have issue of dying too but just a little bit of dusts. Prime the pad with M105 and add 2 more penny size droplet then buff until 3 passes it will looks like dried up but don't stop from there and keep buffing like 6 more passes. It becomes so clear and wipe off so easily. Have you try?

•Nothing but m105 only no lubricant spray or mist of water
 
wukin said:
Btw my method of using M105 a little different from you guys. I never have issue of dying too but just a little bit of dusts. Prime the pad with M105 and add 2 more penny size droplet then buff until 3 passes it will looks like dried up but don't stop from there and keep buffing like 6 more passes. It becomes so clear and wipe off so easily. Have you try?

•Nothing but m105 only no lubricant spray or mist of water
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How big are your sections?
 
2x2 no problem at all. Try it!
It may take about 10 passes for a newly primed pad to get the section clear. After that, second buff should take less passes to achieve the same result. Which means it gets faster and less time.
 
The main point isnt how many passes you can get. What I m saying is to get the section to become clear and wipe off easily. You can always reactivate the product by misting water. "Clear" means M105 is totally gone. Evaporate or whatsoever. ^_^
 
Hi guys i am having problems working with m105 too, i think part of it is my problem though, i also do my work outside in a shaded area. The heat hear gets around 100 and i notice that by the time i am done spreading the product it starts drying out, what can i do? do i just continue to buff regardless if i see the moister gone from the product?
 
Moses said:
Hi guys i am having problems working with m105 too, i think part of it is my problem though, i also do my work outside in a shaded area. The heat hear gets around 100 and i notice that by the time i am done spreading the product it starts drying out, what can i do? do i just continue to buff regardless if i see the moister gone from the product?
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x2 I will be working in 100degree weather aswell.
 
The tool I use is Flex 3401 and Meg MF cutting disc. fully primed and 2 penny size drop. No need to spread and just keep buffing until it becomes transparent or clear or gone eventually. You may experience a bit of dust but not extreme during buffing. at that time M105 can wipe off so easily with almost no pressure/light pressure at all. This method works for me but may not work for you. Please do a test spot first. If you afraid of dying buffing then simply don't do it at all. I will post some pic whenever weather gets better. rains 3 days straight and no garage for me to work in. >_<
 
Jomax said:
I'm soo glad I stumbled across this thread! It just made me confident to try M105. Reading all the dusting issues made me really think. One question though, would hot weather be a big negative in how m105 reacts??
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IME yes.
 
I hate compound dust it gets everywhere...I think I will give it a shot with some Malco Tru Grit compound and see what happens!
 
I tend to think...foam pads could definitely benefit from using some lubricant with compound
 
I think one of the reasons I don't have much trouble with M105 is that I prime my pad with Meguiars Quick Detailer in the red bottle.
 
Moses said:
Hi guys i am having problems working with m105 too, i think part of it is my problem though, i also do my work outside in a shaded area. The heat hear gets around 100 and i notice that by the time i am done spreading the product it starts drying out, what can i do? do i just continue to buff regardless if i see the moister gone from the product?
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Well this thread is from when the M105 had a very fast drying time ( Flash ) which I love! and still have some left. But it has been change and has a little more working time, one thing is to always prime your pad so it won't dust to much on you. Try H2O ( spray some on ) and see if that helps you.
 
So I've read through this entire thread and still not sure of the proper approach with M105. Used it this past weekend w/3401 and had a great deal of dusting. Primed the pad w/M105 and applied 3 dime size drops of product while working a 2x2 area. Did four section passes with a speed setting of 6 and didn't have any issues wiping the product off, just dust everywhere. Per Justin Rose, I didn't use baby oil or detail spray and cleaned the pad on the fly after completing every 1/2 panel. Is there anything else I should or could be doing to help minimize the dusting or is dust simply an inherent aspect of this product? To be honest, I've used M105 before with my PC and if memory serves, didn't seem to dust to this extent.
 
Sounds like you are doing it right. After all, it is a compound, which is removing clear, which means it should dust, right? Personally, I don't mind dust. I do mind compound drying up on the panel and being a pain to remove though, but it sounds like that's not your problem.
 
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