Lake Country 1-Pad Polishing System - In Stock!

rwright said:
Thanks for posting this! Everyone has flamed me for throwing away once used Cyan HT pads, this is exactly why. I'm not an expert on the product like Lake Country, but I can clearly see the difference in the pad after one use. With that being said, the only thing that will deter me from switching is the price point. A traditional backing plate costs less than the required backing plate for this system. The pads are priced the same for the most part. My question is this, is the backing plate for this system more durable than a traditional backing plate?

I agree that this system is not for everyone. Most people are cheap and want to pinch pennies as much as possible, I can understand this. Why flame Lake Country for catering to a select crowd with this system? Do you flame Swissvax or Zymol for making products that cater to a higher end market? Do you flame Mercedes or BMW for making luxury cars when you can simply go down the road and buy a Chevy or Ford with similar features? :xyxthumbs:
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I get if someone wants to be super high end and use each pad only once. But why use these pads, why not a traditional pad? As someone said before this seems to be a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. If you want to be in the elite detailer category, go for it, in fact I encourage it, but I don't think this system is how you will get there.

Meghan said:
Before you knock something you haven't tried, give it a try....
Here is a good opportunity to give your feedback on something, but you need to try it first.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...486-review-lake-country-1-pad.html#post399974
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I'm not knocking the performance, I'm questioning the reasoning behind the development of the system.
 
The Pad Man said:
Actually its not ridiculous. When you buy a 15 pack of 3M trizact 3000 grit for anywhere between 75-90 dollars, do you wash out the paper and re-use it?
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I didn't know we were talking about sandpaper...
 
The Pad Man said:
Actually its not ridiculous. When you buy a 15 pack of 3M trizact 3000 grit for anywhere between 75-90 dollars, do you wash out the paper and re-use it?
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While I understand where you are going with that, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
 
Spicy McHaggis said:
I get if someone wants to be super high end and use each pad only once. But why use these pads, why not a traditional pad? As someone said before this seems to be a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. If you want to be in the elite detailer category, go for it, in fact I encourage it, but I don't think this system is how you will get there.
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:D It's not about being super high end or an elite detailer, to me cutting pads appear to lose bite after each use. Like I said, I'm not an expert, that's just my take on the Cyan HT pads. And I agree to an extent, the price point needs to be adjusted because it's being advertised as one use.
 
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rwright said:
:D It's not about being super high end or an elite detailer, to me cutting pads appear to lose bite after each use. Like I said, I'm not an expert it just appears that way to me. And I agree to an extent, the price point needs to be adjusted because it's being advertised as one use.
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Don't you use that tone of voice with me RICHARD!

Seriously though I don't notice a decline in a pads cut until at least the thrid attemp meaning I've used the pad 2 full times already). And even during that 3rd use it still cuts, it might just need a little more time to get the job done. Even if you only use a pad twice (which with those new hdrotech pads is the case for me) it's still more cost effective than a one time use pad.

I would however love to see what results people get with this system and if the pads can truely be re-used. :Picture:

I'm not trying to hate on this system, honestly. :dblthumb2:
 
rwright said:
:D It's not about being super high end or an elite detailer, to me cutting pads appear to lose bite after each use. Like I said, I'm not an expert it just appears that way to me. And I agree to an extent, the price point needs to be adjusted because it's being advertised as one use.
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:laughing::laughing::laughing: TR strikes again!
 
I was one of the lucky winners of a SEMA week contest where the prize was a "One Pad System" backing plate and 3 pads. I tend to agree with rwright and the Pad Man in that the foam cutting pads do lose some of their ability to cut efficiently after a few uses.

Being a professional detailer trying to provide a higher quality service than the guy down the street, I find that a lot of perspective customers will bulk at the time frame that it takes to do a better job. They don't understand the dynamics of detailing nor do they care to understand. So time savings is where it's at for me. If this system saves me 1 hour per detail, that would cover the cost of 7.5 pads at these prices and it's a tax write off too.

In the past few years I have been able to cut my time per paint correction nearly in half by being open minded and willing to try new or different products/processes/tools.

I will be testing this system out on my rotary straight up and also with the Dynabrade random orbital head attachment and will post my findings on a few different forums. The Dynabrade attachment combined with Makita rotary definitely has enough force to keep these large pads rotating.

I look forward to testing this system out but I just have to wait for it to be shipped from where I won the contest.
 
Dave how will it save time during the detail? I understand it will save time cleaning pads, but I don't use a pad, clean it, and then keep using it. I use a pad, and when it's done I throw it in the basket to be cleaned later, then grab another new pad. I do all my cleaning after a detail, not during it.
 
Spicy McHaggis said:
Dave how will it save time during the detail? I understand it will save time cleaning pads, but I don't use a pad, clean it, and then keep using it. I use a pad, and when it's done I throw it in the basket to be cleaned later, then grab another new pad. I do all my cleaning after a detail, not during it.
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A brand new foam cutting pad will cut more efficient because it has not yet been worn and softened to the point that it is essentially like a polishing pad. If a pad is cutting it it's maximum efficiency then it is cutting faster than a pad that has been worn or softened from many previous uses. This all adds to time savings during the paint correction.

I don't even consider the time that it takes to wash pads because it is something that I just do at home in my off time. I carry a stiff bristled denture brush and clean my pad as I go and typically only use one maybe two pads per job. It takes me about 10 seconds to brush my pad on the fly. Using the KBM, my pads "rarely" get saturated to the point that they need to be washed during the job.
 
tuscarora dave said:
A brand new foam cutting pad will cut more efficient because it has not yet been worn and softened to the point that it is essentially like a polishing pad. If a pad is cutting it it's maximum efficiency then it is cutting faster than a pad that has been worn or softened from many previous uses. This all adds to time savings during the paint correction.

I don't even consider the time that it takes to wash pads because it is something that I just do at home in my off time. I carry a stiff bristled denture brush and clean my pad as I go and typically only use one maybe two pads per job. It takes me about 10 seconds to brush my pad on the fly. Using the KBM, my pads "rarely" get saturated to the point that they need to be washed during the job.
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I understand now, I thought you meant you were saving time from cleaning, not because the correction took less time. Thank you for the clarification.
 
It does seem like a waste to me, and not very green either. If cost is no issue but time is then why not get a pad washer so u can wash the pad on the fly then dry it and keep using it?
 
Matt said:
It does seem like a waste to me, and not very green either. If cost is no issue but time is then why not get a pad washer so u can wash the pad on the fly then dry it and keep using it?
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If you will, take a little time to do an experiment. Next paint correction you do, take a foam cutting pad that has been used and washed several times and correct the paint on one half of the hood.

On the other half of the hood, using the same cutting fluid, machine, machine speed setting, arm speed etc. etc. and a brand new foam cutting pad, do the correction and see how much less time it takes to achieve your results. Use the same brand, grade and size pad as the previously used pad on the other half of the hood.

I think if you would do this you may be surprised at the difference in the time that it takes to achieve your desired results.

Of course this statement is completely rhetorical but may shed some light on why this system could save time.

As for this system not being green... I suppose if we knew what material is used to manufacture the pads, we could possibly throw the worn out pads in a recycle bin to be recycled. So Pad Man..If you are reading this post... Can these pads be recycled?
 
Dave, I'm planning to do that exact experiment on a car this weekend, weather permitting.
 
DARK HORSE said:
:laughing::laughing::laughing: TR strikes again!
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Nice work!!! Thats hilarious! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

tuscarora dave said:
I will be testing this system out on my rotary straight up and also with the Dynabrade random orbital head attachment and will post my findings on a few different forums. The Dynabrade attachment combined with Makita rotary definitely has enough force to keep these large pads rotating.

I look forward to testing this system out but I just have to wait for it to be shipped from where I won the contest.
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I look forward to your results Dave :buffing:

If you have the chance please really test it from the curvature aspect!!
 
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This is a wonderful idea and I hope every detailer in my immediate neighbor hood uses this system.

Meghan, when they place their order please send me their addresses so I can put them on my dumpster diving route.:dblthumb2:
 
CEE DOG said:
I look forward to your results Dave :buffing:

If you have the chance please really test it from the curvature aspect!!
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I'll do that Corey. I'll see if I can't find a friend that can give up their car for a while so that I can take my time and do a thorough review. I'll tell him/her that payment for the job can be for them to be there and take the photos or videos to do the review with. However with the temperatures being as they are and being a mobile guy it may take some time to put all of this together.
 
Hi Dave,

I'm also looking forward to the results.

I'm a relative noob, but I've been using the cyan HT pads recently, and they do seem to break-down into either "open-cell" versions or start to crack, so I don't think these 1-pads will be lasting a whole lot less. Considering the thinness of the pad, they may also allow you to cut a lot faster as well.

The price is higher than what I would have expected, but hey, they are new. There may be better deals in the future.

I would also like to see a smaller, flat, non-CCS version for DAs.

Good luck...
 
tuscarora dave said:
If you will, take a little time to do an experiment.
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If I win the "Review 1-Pad" contest here on AGO, that's exactly what I'll do using the 1-Pad system. Use the cutting foam pad as-new, priming the pad and working in a controlled manner, then wash/dry the pad, re-prime it and work in the same controlled manner. I'll use a stopwatch to see how long a buffing cycle takes with the new pad vs. a used one to see if the difference really does add up or not.
 
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