Not too impressed with 105

[ironman1982]

I gave up on M105 (back when it was rotary only). Right now I use GTechniq P1 and System 51 99% of the time. I like the fact they are water based.

Which System 51 polish do you use/prefer...Perfect Cutting Polish or Pro Cut Polish? How do they compare to G|Techniq P1 and P2 (if you've ever used P2) in cut/finish?

Thanks!

 

[ExoticAutoDetai]

Very well explained Dave. Even thought I haven't tried this combo just by reading those who are having a problem with it seems like they are not doing something right.

Some of the basic stuff which you cover pretty well is the drying to quick then dusting, and applying too much product that will end up what I like to call "caking up".


Working on a smaller area at a time is always recommend.

When using a compound is always recommend to break it down to it finest. Not use too much product and using mist of water is really use to prevent from heating the paint to quick to be able to break the compound down really fine.


Clean the pad really well to prevent q "cake up".

I'm getting the urge to order this combo to prove is not hard to work with.

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[James K]

I'm getting the urge to order this combo to prove is not hard to work with.

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The thing is, it is not a magic compound that will work with anything. If it was, why would we have any other compounds? I have had good results, and results I was not happy with. Of course that is with ANY compound I have used. That is why I have 5 or 6 different compounds. That being said, I rarely grab M105 anymore. I usually use Mothers for rotary, and the Megs D300 on a MF pad for my PC.

 

[ExoticAutoDetai]

The thing is, it is not a magic compound that will work with anything. If it was, why would we have any other compounds? I have had good results, and results I was not happy with. Of course that is with ANY compound I have used. That is why I have 5 or 6 different compounds. That being said, I rarely grab M105 anymore. I usually use Mothers for rotary, and the Megs D300 on a MF pad for my PC.

Well I can't really comment on what you saying due to the fact I haven't tried it. But I have read tons of write up and a lot of people seem to lean toward this combo for most of their project.




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[James K]

Well I can't really comment on what you saying due to the fact I haven't tried it. But I have read tons of write up and a lot of people seem to lean toward this combo for most of their project.




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You are right. A lot of people do use this as their go to product. It's just not mine. Does that make me or them wrong? Nope. We all have opinions on what we prefer to use. Find what you like, and use it! rops:

 

[ExoticAutoDetai]

Yes sir that I do agree. I'm here at the vet is freakiing expensive having a cat.>:{

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[James K]

Yes sir that I do agree. I'm here at the vet is freakiing expensive having a cat.>:{

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Yes it is. I had to take one of my dogs to the vet last week. $200. Ugh. That was my foam lance and tornador cleaning gun money.

 

[ExoticAutoDetai]

I paid $200 today as well. I got to pay another $160 in 2 weeks for the neuter surgery. I guess i am going to hold my AG order

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[tuscarora dave]

Very well explained Dave.

thanks

When using a compound is always recommend to break it down to it finest.

This is why I like 105 because it is non diminishing and "Breaking it down" is not required. Just simply work it until the results are achieved.

using mist of water is really use to prevent from heating the paint to quick to be able to break the compound down really fine.

Again, "breaking down" not required. Heat is unavoidable and irrelevant within the scope of the technique that I use with M-105. The water mist on the panel is simply to rehydrate the product to get the full cutting potential without adding more product as
the abrasives are still very capable of cutting after the product flashes. This technique saves product and eliminates the whole caking issue all together.

Clean the pad really well to prevent q "cake up".

By misting the panel with water to rehydrate and continue to use the compound to it's full cutting potential instead of adding more, the caking from an over application of product never occurs so all there will be is a little spent compound/clear paint mixture to brush off of the pad.

I'm getting the urge to order this combo to prove is not hard to work with.

Order it, it's not hard to work with once you get through the learning curve with it. It took me about a year of trying 105 here and there to develop the technique that "works for me". This technique may not work for everyone and that's fine. My goal in this thread is to "try to explain" how I believe the product works best.

 

[ExoticAutoDetai]

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[AeroCleanse]

Which System 51 polish do you use/prefer...Perfect Cutting Polish or Pro Cut Polish? How do they compare to G|Techniq P1 and P2 (if you've ever used P2) in cut/finish?

Thanks!

Cutting Polish. I have since moved to GTechniq P1 as I find it works better for me, due to the nano sized polishing particles, it seems more aggressive on a wool pad and finer on a finishing pad. Hard to explain.

I have not used P2.

 

[CCC4me]

Thank you, Kristopher, for posting my thoughts exactly. I've given it a fair number of tries by now and just don't feel the cut is there. I've tried it via rotary with both wool and a burgundy cutting foam, and also with my Dynabrade, also with a W8000 pad.

In fact, today I was doing some experimental work on my trunk. After not getting enough cut (and lacking anything else with power) I reached for my old standby (AutoGlym 02B) and got better results. This is in spite of the fact that 02B is aligned closer to 205 in level of cut.

I don't know if it's just me or what. But, I've used 105 numerous times at this point. Other than the spread time window being really small...There's not too much to complain about. But honestly...I've got some compounds at my disposal that blow this stuff out of the water.

Can I get good results with it? Yes. Do I have to use it multiple times to get those results? Yes. For some reason, I always have to do a second pass with 105. I think that's mainly due to it's lack of passes to be made. I have noticed though, that with the PC...it tends to spread better, and work better for that matter. But whenever I try to use a wool pad with my Makita...it just eats it up. I typically prime my pad with 205 to improve the spread time to avoid it turning to chalky dust before it has time to work.

I've only had one bottle of 105 up to now. I'm just not so sure I would buy another one. I bought it cause it seems to be 90% of peoples "go to" compound in AG world. So I figured I'd give it a solid shot. I really think I've given this stuff a fair assessment. I just haven't been too impressed so far. Now 205...I absolutely LOVE. I think 205 is a far superior product than 105 IMO. I will surely have 205 in my arsenal from now on. But I think I'm breaking up with 105, ha.

How do you guys use it? Any tricks?

 

[Kristopher1129]

Thank you, Kristopher, for posting my thoughts exactly. I've given it a fair number of tries by now and just don't feel the cut is there. I've tried it via rotary with both wool and a burgundy cutting foam, and also with my Dynabrade, also with a W8000 pad.

In fact, today I was doing some experimental work on my trunk. After not getting enough cut (and lacking anything else with power) I reached for my old standby (AutoGlym 02B) and got better results. This is in spite of the fact that 02B is aligned closer to 205 in level of cut.

I feel the same way. I just don't see it. I do think it's a decent product. But I don't feel it deserves the respect it seems to get on most threads and forums. I really don't see why this is so many peoples "go to" compound.

As a deep cutting compound (which it is supposed to be)...I don't find it to be that great. I have tried it so many times. I've gone through a whole 32 oz. bottle trying numerous methods, pads, and the addition of other sources like water, 205, and pad lubricant to the mix trying to make this stuff work the way I'd like it to. Can't get it to work efficiently.

Now, don't get me wrong. The product does have it's advantages. I've gotten it to work in quite a few instances. As for the relationship between 105 and 205...I think they go well together. I find that whatever swirls are left by 105, are easily removed by 205 either by rotary, or DA.

Also, when it comes to minor surface defects such as water spots, oxidation, or minor scuffs and scratches...105 via the LC 5.5 orange pad, and the PC is a piece of cake to work with. I usually just use a little bit of water, or prime my pad with 205...and BOOM, those minor mishaps are gone. Then followed by 205 with the LC white pad...golden results.

But, I have compounds at my disposal that do that with less effort using a rotary. I know that 105 is advertised as being able to be used with a rotary...which I don't understand. I feel the rotary is a world 105 should never see. Granted, it does work well with a foam pad with the addition of another source such as water, lubricant, or 205.

But if you lay down some lines of 105, then pick up the beads using a wool pad at the RPMs they recommend....gooooood luck! You will find yourself rushing, trying to compete with the spread time of this product which is very minimal (at the recommended RPM). Then IMO, be left with less than sufficient results.

In comparison to other compounds that I've had numerous hands on experience with...it falls short IMO.

I'm not trying to create argument, or cause a pissing contest between detailers. This is just my opinion. I definitely know that a LOT of people are going to disagree with me. I'm fine with that...as long as it is understood that this is MY opinion. It may mean nothing to you, and you may think I'm an idiot. I'm honestly ok with that critique. I just ask you respect my opinion. :cheers:

 

[Transcendent]

Up till about a week and a half ago i have never used M105. Where i learned how to detail and where i worked for 2yrs we never used meguires products because suposedly they where to expensive (which i later found to be complete BS). So up until i quit the only meg's product i had used was the Paint restoration cream (freaking awesome BTW). We had always used Autmagic and Pro products so thats what i had bought for my own personal supply as well. but after i quit and went into business for my self i started to run out of products and had to buy others. That's where i started using meg's products. After using 105 on several cars I freaking love it with a DA but it does seem lacking with my makita and i am still looking for a product to replace the automagic XP Compound. But all in all i am very impressed with the way 105 performs with a DA but i agree with chris that it has no place with a rotary. In fact i had a car two days ago that i was very upset with the performance of 105 with a rotary but i have already rambled enough.

P.S. I am still looking for a replacement hvy cutting cream for my rotary that has a set of big brass clangers so if some of you could please pm me some suggestions as to not clog up this thread that would be really cool in the mean time back to browing the forums looking for one.

 

[swosanity]

Tried a new panel today on the Avalanche:

105/205 orange/white pads. Followed up with NXT 2.0.

Mirror shot:

What impressed me today was that I am finally seeing swirls disappear. Still waiting for my swirl gun light or whatever the thing is called. No sun today in sunny southern California. Hopefully my initial assessment is correct.

 

[Rsurfer]

Tried a new panel today on the Avalanche:

105/205 orange/white pads. Followed up with NXT 2.0.

Mirror shot:

What impressed me today was that I am finally seeing swirls disappear. Still waiting for my swirl gun light or whatever the thing is called. No sun today in sunny southern California. Hopefully my initial assessment is correct.

Looks awesome. When you get your light in or if you see slight marring in the sun, try Menzerna 85rd with a black or blue pad for final polishing.

 

[swosanity]

Looks awesome. When you get your light in or if you see slight marring in the sun, try Menzerna 85rd with a black or blue pad for final polishing.

Someone else recommended that product too. I will get it.

Now I am up to like five products for paint alone for my perfect detail quest, LOL...

105/205/Po85/BF wet diamond/SS II , geez...

Back to 105. I am to new at this to say one way or the other but from my eyes I like what I see so far. I am sure six months from now I will have a different opinion.

 

[swosanity]

Okay the sun came out and here is a 50/50 shot if you will:

Left Driver side door and right picture is cabin door. As you can see with side by side I have some work to do. Right cabin door done with 105/205/NXT 2.0.