NEW formula Optimum Power Clean vs. Griot's Interior Cleaner *PIC*

It wasn't ... If you post 50 times a day about how good YOU think a product is the manufacture will know your biased and send you the new formula to post 50x about it again... Save your money and buy 3 gallons Of Megs APC which could then make you about a million or so 32oz bottles .. Or join the hype and by a RTU $35 gallon
 
I'm always hesitant to put interior cleaners and degreasers on leather. There are specific products out there for leather. I've seen people use diluted APC like the Megs stuff, citrus degreasers, Griots and everybody elses interior cleaners and I've also seen people scrub even more and spray more cleaner on trying to get an even clean. Except the problem turned into the dye coming out in a particularly dirty spot. So now the leather is in bad shape.

Use a leather rejuvenator or leatherique or something like that to clean leather seats.

my $.02.
 
rakkvet said:
I'm always hesitant to put interior cleaners and degreasers on leather. There are specific products out there for leather. I've seen people use diluted APC like the Megs stuff, citrus degreasers, Griots and everybody elses interior cleaners and I've also seen people scrub even more and spray more cleaner on trying to get an even clean. Except the problem turned into the dye coming out in a particularly dirty spot. So now the leather is in bad shape.

Use a leather rejuvenator or leatherique or something like that to clean leather seats.

my $.02.
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I was using Megs APC+10:1 on leather, but I always had to do a test spot first. Sometimes it would pull the dye out. I ended up purchasing a dedicated leather cleaner Wolfgang citrus leather cleaner on the BOGO.
Now I use the apc for vinyl, plastic, wheels and engines.
 
fredcandetail said:
It wasn't ... If you post 50 times a day about how good YOU think a product is the manufacture will know your biased and send you the new formula to post 50x about it again... Save your money and buy 3 gallons Of Megs APC which could then make you about a million or so 32oz bottles .. Or join the hype and by a RTU $35 gallon
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Ouch. Little harsh don't you think? Last time I checked, the $35 gallon you're talking about can be cut 3:1. While you are right, Meg's APC+ can be cut more and is cheaper all around, I have witnessed it leave drip lines on leather and plastic, plus there are debates about if it can or can't be used on painted surfaces, while OPC we already know is.

I've seen Mark test countless products with no bias. He tells it like it is. He goes out to bat for the rest of us all the time with product tests. He's a respectable man and I don't think he's trying to mislead anyone here.
 
ziggo99 said:
I've seen Mark test countless products with no bias. He tells it like it is. He goes out to bat for the rest of us all the time with product tests. He's a respectable man and I don't think he's trying to mislead anyone here.
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Kyle, I really appreciate your kind words, bud! :props: ;)

I would never mis-lead anyone. I'm not affiliated with the Optimum in any way. I just REALLY like the fact that I(or anyone) can speak personally with the CEO of the company with ANY questions. Also, for having Chris on the forums who knows optimum products inside and out. This type of available knowledge is HUGE in my book.
 
fredcandetail said:
It wasn't ... If you post 50 times a day about how good YOU think a product is the manufacture will know your biased and send you the new formula to post 50x about it again... Save your money and buy 3 gallons Of Megs APC which could then make you about a million or so 32oz bottles .. Or join the hype and by a RTU $35 gallon
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I made the announcement and Mark just knew it was finally ok to talk about it. It is shipping to distributors this week, so there's no hype. But thanks for disrespecting and questioning the integrity of a beloved AG senior member.

$5 says you get flamed, $10 says everyone just lost all confidence in your future posts.


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Chris@Optimum said:
I made the announcement and Mark just knew it was finally ok to talk about it. It is shipping to distributors this week, so there's no hype. But thanks for disrespecting and questioning the integrity of a beloved AG senior member.

$5 says you get flamed, $10 says everyone just lost all confidence in your future posts.


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Hey Chris, you're awesome. :props:

I just take it in one ear and out the other. He can question it all he wants. OPC has built a strong reputation for it's performance. Actions speak louder than words. :dblthumb2:
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
Hey Chris, you're awesome. :props:

I just take it in one ear and out the other. He can question it all he wants. OPC has built a strong reputation for it's performance. Actions speak louder than words. :dblthumb2:
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No problem, Mark. We appreciate your honest and helpful input during the beta and are glad you're pleased enough with our product to share it with the forum, your customers, and use it on that sweet vette.


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It's just really cool how versatile and safe OPC is. It's more versatile than any other APC. This is what makes it stand out above the rest, IMO.
 
Im a bif fan of OPC and Mark too! He always tells the truth,good or bad and you can depend on him for his honesty! :dblthumb2:
 
fredcandetail said:
It wasn't ... If you post 50 times a day about how good YOU think a product is the manufacture will know your biased and send you the new formula to post 50x about it again... Save your money and buy 3 gallons Of Megs APC which could then make you about a million or so 32oz bottles .. Or join the hype and by a RTU $35 gallon
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Manufacturers send out new products to people all the time to get feedback on them. I understand that you like another product, but there is really now need to be so rude about it. The product isn't damaging anything. If you don't like it and don't want to use it , than don't post in this thread. Mark is a great guy who has done a lot for this community and the last thing he deserves is someone like you trying to trash him for no good reason.

Also just a little FYI, Megs APC WILL take dye out of leather if you aren't careful. So it might be worth a little extra money for some people just to know that they won't be damaging the leather.
 
I can't believe anyone would question Mark or Chris. This thread is awesome. I love the post from Chris especially. "$5 says you get flamed, $10 says everyone just lost all confidence in your future posts"= PRICELESS. And that from a CEO. Sort of speaks to what kind of a company Optimum is. No stuffed shirts there.

I'm just a newb to this site but Mark has been posting all over the place and I have already grown to respect his unbiased opinion.

Anyway, I would like to see the next pic with the second washing of the couch. Hope Mark has time to do it.

And I have both OPC and Megs APC+ on my wish list. I will decide for myself but I already know from many different posters that OPC will be better for certain applications while APC+ will be a cheaper alternative for areas requiring less careful application.
 
kimtyson said:
I can't believe anyone would question Mark or Chris. This thread is awesome. I love the post from Chris especially. "$5 says you get flamed, $10 says everyone just lost all confidence in your future posts"= PRICELESS. And that from a CEO. Sort of speaks to what kind of a company Optimum is. No stuffed shirts there.

I'm just a newb to this site but Mark has been posting all over the place and I have already grown to respect his unbiased opinion.

Anyway, I would like to see the next pic with the second washing of the couch. Hope Mark has time to do it.

And I have both OPC and Megs APC+ on my wish list. I will decide for myself but I already know from many different posters that OPC will be better for certain applications while APC+ will be a cheaper alternative for areas requiring less careful application.
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Thank you very much for your kind words. :dblthumb2: :props:

I'll do the second test for you guys, but I'm not exactly sure what you guys want me to do?

I think the bold is a very rational way of thinking. :props:
 
Thanks, but the props goes to you, Mark.
I think what we want to see, for the doubters, is for you to lay another tape line on the OPC side of the couch and to reapply\scrub the area. (Maybe lay the tape diagonally, but whatever.) This is to see if there is any bleaching or negative affect from the OPC. An additional idea would be to clean the other side that was APC+ed (if that can be a word).
Thanks a ton Mark. Please keep up the great posts. Most of us new guys really appreciate the wisdom.
 
kimtyson said:
Thanks, but the props goes to you, Mark.
I think what we want to see, for the doubters, is for you to lay another tape line on the OPC side of the couch and to reapplyscrub the area. (Maybe lay the tape diagonally, but whatever.) This is to see if there is any bleaching or negative affect from the OPC. An additional idea would be to clean the other side that was APC+ed (if that can be a word).
Thanks a ton Mark. Please keep up the great posts. Most of us new guys really appreciate the wisdom.
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I'll give it a shot. However, I'm almost positive it will get lighter, but not because it's bleaching, but because it's cleaner. The couch I did the test spot on is heavily soiled, and I only used OPC for one application. FYI, the other side was cleaned with Griot's interior cleaner, not APC+. ;)
 
Opps. Sorry. Doing too much reading today and confused it with another thread about APC+.

Can you get to a swatch on the couch that has original, not dirtied color? That might help everyone to understand that it isn't bleaching and it is only getting cleaner. I know it may be hard to get a clean, original leather section.
 
rakkvet said:
I'm always hesitant to put interior cleaners and degreasers on leather. There are specific products out there for leather. I've seen people use diluted APC like the Megs stuff, citrus degreasers, Griots and everybody elses interior cleaners and I've also seen people scrub even more and spray more cleaner on trying to get an even clean. Except the problem turned into the dye coming out in a particularly dirty spot. So now the leather is in bad shape.

Use a leather rejuvenator or leatherique or something like that to clean leather seats.

my $.02.
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I generally tend to agree with this, but some leather seats come in so nasty that dedicated leather cleaners are simply ineffective.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
I'll give it a shot. However, I'm almost positive it will get lighter, but not because it's bleaching, but because it's cleaner. The couch I did the test spot on is heavily soiled, and I only used OPC for one application. FYI, the other side was cleaned with Griot's interior cleaner, not APC+. ;)
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Hey Mark,

I don't know if you remember but about a year ago I offered you some CG leather cleaner and conditioner to try when you were looking for new products to try. My comment was to be careful with the cleaner as it stripped dye from a leather hassock when I was trying to remove a stain from the leather. I thought that I was removing dirt and the stain until I wiped the leather surface. The leather was much lighter in color. If the hassock in the living area, it would need to be redyed.

At that time, you turned down the CG products as you didn't want to use anything that would strip dye from the leather. I mention it because you are using OPC on a household couch from your guest room instead of the coated leather normally found on an automobile seat, beware my experience with household leather.

You should be able to tell if the dye is being removed by looking for a surface that would not get dirty. Many leather couches have the leather surface wrapped around the bottom where it is stapled in place. That part of the leather should never get dirty. How do these surfaces appear in comparison to the surface you cleaned with OPC and the Griot's?

After a lot of deliberating, I went to the Leatherique products last year. Sure, I still ask about Leathermaster products and new protectants. I just used Pristine Clean to remove a light grease stain from the Oyster colored leather in the new bimmer. Worked great and the leather is supple.

At this point, I don't plan to use CG leather cleaner, APC+, OPC or any other APC on either of our bimmer's leather. A protectant maybe, but I learned my lesson with the hassock.
 
OPC does not contain bleach, nor does it have a bleaching effect. If it did you would see confirmation of bleaching on the towel too. I'm not aware of any chemicals that choose which materials to bleach. And color fastness is another common sense test. If you see color transfer on the towel then stop because theres been a leather re-dye repair, but if only dirt comes off then it was just dirty.


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It seems that the best test to finally put the question to rest would be to try it on brand new leather.
 
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