Optimum Microfiber pads

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I thought it had something to do with not getting the benefit of the MF because if you don't ocillate the pad one side of the tuft is always matted down against the pad and not on the paint. Part of what makes the MF so effective IIRC is that there is so much more surface area than a foam pad, so you can get a lot more product in contact with the paint, and you lose some of this if you lay the tufts down, which is also the reason you use compressed air to fluff them back up.

I tried them on a rotary. Long story short, they don't work well with a rotary either, IMO. Random orbital with MF pads or nothing. You are exactly right in your analysis. Forced rotation of any kind is not what you want with MF pads.

 

[Chris Thomas]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain the rotary application of these pads. I thought the reason that no one liked the MF pads on the Flex 3401 was because of the forced-rotation, which would seem to make a rotary doubly bad.

I only have the polishing pads, but I've been putting them thru the paces on the Flex DA, speed 6. They are not grabby at all with Polish II or Hyper Polish and easily cleaned up wool/Compound II marring. Forced rotation DA and rotaries are not left out with these pads.

Mine are ordered!!!
Mark... I think they may be designed for use with the spray polish and compound that OPT offers.

Yours have shipped! We are introducing updated Hyper Polish and Hyper Compound versions with the MF system, but they work well with pastes too, I'm told...but require less product as with our whole line.

I tried them on a rotary. Long story short, they don't work well with a rotary either, IMO. Random orbital with MF pads or nothing. You are exactly right in your analysis. Forced rotation of any kind is not what you want with MF pads.

Did you get the backing plates too, or just the pads. The rotary interface plate is key.

Don't try to substitute the new system into your old routine. Stay open to change and learn how to use the new system. It's different from Meg's from many aspects including application.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Don't try to substitute the new system into your old routine. Stay open to change and learn how to use the new system. It's different from Meg's from many aspects including application.

With a rotary, tbe pad is being spun much faster, and the circular force is gonna pull the fibers out creating matted fibers, and that's what you don't want with MF pads, I'm not referring to anything but the action of the tool.

How will the backing plate make a difference?

 

[LuxuryMobile]

Subscribed to the thread.

Want to hear answer to BP question as well.

 

[fredcandetail]

Still won't trade in Flex 3401 and my SurBufs for aDA... I just get more accomplished in a shorter amount of time on the Flex and every DA we own is just darn loud!

 

[Chris Thomas]

With a rotary, tbe pad is being spun much faster, and the circular force is gonna pull the fibers out creating matted fibers, and that's what you don't want with MF pads, I'm not referring to anything but the action of the tool.

How will the backing plate make a difference?

I haven't experienced fiber loss yet...but I've only used them a few times now. With less product and brushing/cleaning between panels there should be very little matting. Just think of how long wool fibers are and they still work great even when flattened a bit. The reason these will work with forced rotation DAs and rotaries is because of the lamination process used to assemble the pads. They resist heat and rotations up to 1800 +/- very well. I'm not sure of the maximum recommended rotary speed, but I've used them at around 1800 with no problems so far.

Another durability testament is a car I tested with Poliseal. The pad got just filthy from the paint cleaning, but the pad never matted down except for a little in the center where the majority of the product was placed. As you all know, too much PS can gum up the best foam pads...so I was very pleased with this pad/product combo.

The backing plate should help with any grabbyness by absorbing some of the downward pressure and helping to keep the pad flat.

 

[onlycodered]

I haven't experienced fiber loss yet...but I've only used them a few times now. With less product and brushing/cleaning between panels there should be very little matting. Just think of how long wool fibers are and they still work great even when flattened a bit. The reason these will work with forced rotation DAs and rotaries is because of the lamination process used to assemble the pads. They resist heat and rotations up to 1800 +/- very well. I'm not sure of the maximum recommended rotary speed, but I've used them at around 1800 with no problems so far.

Wow! Screw Meguiar's. I'm gonna have to pick up some of THESE pads!

 

[Dr Oldz]

I ordered the polishing pads to experiment and expect to have issues at first. I haven't used the Megs MF system yet so I will be going into this open minded. My thoughts to follow.......Chris you should have sent me some new polish( I didn't even think of asking) but for now I have 3/4 of a gallon of the old forlmula hyper polish to experiment with along with many other polishes.

 

[Chris Thomas]

I ordered the polishing pads to experiment and expect to have issues at first. I haven't used the Megs MF system yet so I will be going into this open minded. My thoughts to follow.......Chris you should have sent me some new polish( I didn't even think of asking) but for now I have 3/4 of a gallon of the old forlmula hyper polish to experiment with along with many other polishes.

What you have should work just fine with the pads, we only tweaked it because some were getting micromarring when using DA/MF on soft paints. Did I mention we're making 64oz sizes soon?

 

[Dr Oldz]

What you have should work just fine with the pads, we only tweaked it because some were getting micromarring when using DA/MF on soft paints. Did I mention we're making 64oz sizes soon?

I have said that a while ago. The gallons are nice if you use them a lot but for people that don't go thru that much, 32 or 64oz options will be great. Plus the sprays go sooo far and a very little is actually needed per vehicle! Very smart move! rops:

 

[brawl]

What you have should work just fine with the pads, we only tweaked it because some were getting micromarring when using DA/MF on soft paints. Did I mention we're making 64oz sizes soon?

8 oz. of the Hyper line would be nice for hobbyists with only one car and cars of relatives and friends to work with.:xyxthumbs:

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I'm NOT bashing the OPT MF pads in the least bit, I was just questioning how ANY MF pad would work well with a rotary. Just wanted to make that clear. :dblthumb2:

 

[Chris Thomas]

8 oz. of the Hyper line would be nice for hobbyists with only one car and cars of relatives and friends to work with.:xyxthumbs:

Can't do the appropriate sprayer with 8pz containers. 17oz will most likely be the smallest for the sprays.


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[Chris Thomas]

I'm NOT bashing the OPT MF pads in the least bit, I was just questioning how ANY MF pad would work well with a rotary. Just wanted to make that clear. :dblthumb2:

I wasn't taking it that way and I haven't tried the cutting pads yet on any machine so admittedly, the verdict is still out. But, from what I've seen so far I like what I've tried.


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