dougaross
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How long do allow OC to cure before adding another layer?
How do you know when you order that you are ordering the newest product?
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How long do allow OC to cure before adding another layer?
How do you know when you order that you are ordering the newest product?
If you look through this post Chris from Optimum says the new formula can be identified in this manner " Any OC with the new label that has the car and logo on it can be layered and it's not exclusive to our site. " looking at the original post on this thread or in the Autogeek store you can see the new packaging has a picture of a car on it with their logo on it. the old packaging that I have seen ( somebody correct me if I am wrong ) looked like this http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-41771694353694_2184_1751894. will wait for Chris to chime in about time between coats ( seem to think he said wait 12 hours between the first and second layer but can not find the documentation to back that up }
dougaross
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That's what my syringe looks like. I bought back in the April time frame. The picture currently on the AG site doesn't show a label with car & logo, but the text label shown is not the same as mine..
Chris Thomas
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Flat stick has it right.
12 hours is the recommended cure time. Just to be clear though, we still think layering is overkill...but we found that the new resin was capable so we thought we'd pass the info along.
dougaross
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Chris, our posts crossed in the ether. The picture on AG website only shows a label with text. But it is not the same as the text on the syringe I bought last April. In fact, after a google, I did not see any website that showed label with Logo & Car. AG Picture
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I would say check out the pics in this thread. if you look at the pics where the show the opti coat and the small spray bottle and where is it being put in the spay bottle you can see a new label on the opticoat syringe that has a car on it. maybe somebody from AG can chime in here and confirm if the new syringe is the one they have in stock now. for me I like what Chris said, the other version is still very good, so use it in good faith.
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Chris,
The new resin is therefore a major change to the Opti-Coat/Opti-Guard formulation as it completely changes the characteristics of the product. OC was originally marketed as a product that resisted contaminants. The marketing went that nothing would stick to OC, not even OC itself – obviously that has now changed in a major way.
You state that “layering is overkill”, therefore I presume that there was some other reason for the change in the formulation and that the new layering feature was a side effect of that change.
Could you please explain the reason for the change to the formulation and why it would not at least warrant a version number change?
The new resin is therefore a major change to the Opti-Coat/Opti-Guard formulation as it completely changes the characteristics of the product. OC was originally marketed as a product that resisted contaminants. The marketing went that nothing would stick to OC, not even OC itself – obviously that has now changed in a major way.
You state that “layering is overkill”, therefore I presume that there was some other reason for the change in the formulation and that the new layering feature was a side effect of that change.
Could you please explain the reason for the change to the formulation and why it would not at least warrant a version number change?
I think maybe you misunderstood me. My point, if it wasn't clear, was that previously you couldn't layer OC/OG because it wouldn't adhere to itself, now you can.
I'd called that a major change in the formulation. Therefore I was asking for an explanation as for the reason for the change in the formulation. Most companies don't change a formulation just for the sake of change.
embolism
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I understood but noone really tested that it wouldn't stick to itself so maybe it did all this time who knows?
I'm now wondering about the 12 hour cure time. Chris has posted that OC takes 3 months to reach maximum hardness. If you layer it, would that allow the bottom layers to still reach their full protective potential?
I'm now wondering about the 12 hour cure time. Chris has posted that OC takes 3 months to reach maximum hardness. If you layer it, would that allow the bottom layers to still reach their full protective potential?
richy
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We were told this when it first came out. When I applied it to my FX35 back well over a year ago, I put 2 layers on at the time. I waited the time period I was advised at the time (thinking it was within 15 minutes) and it turned out great.
Yes I agree, after been warned not to I didn't attempt it. I guess someone did though and reported back to Chris or Dr. G. I've often been tempted to try multi coats, but got by with a double coat technique (still only a single application). One of the reasons I swapped to OG was because I heard it was thicker. However after using it the first time, I really couldn't find much difference between OG and OC be it thickness or ease of application.
That's probably a good point, but again I've never noticed any change after 12 hours, so I'm going to give it a go today. It is only a bonnet, so if it doesn't work out I can always take it off again. It won't be 12 hours, because I'll run out of daylight. Be more like 20-22 hours by the time I get going again tomorrow morning.
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hi nick! i have wanted to try oc2 ever since old tiger told me about it. my main question is will the product micro marr like the factory clear? i currently use ultima sealant over a near perfect correction and when the early micro marring occurs i simply polish it out with mez micro polish and reseal. it is my understanding that you have to recut an entire panel to make a small correction with oc2. if this product will not micro marr with very careful washing and maintenance i will use it till the day i die! if it will what would i accomplish by switching from my current process? also wanted to let you know that i will be trying the new 3.25 opt micro pads you helped me with tomorrow with mez and give you a report on the results. hope you had a great tksgiving!
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Chris Thomas
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You are correct, if it has the label I describe you can layer it
You can do it earlier, but it will be like a single thick coat as opposed to a second coat. No prep other than a clean surface.
I posted it here after SEMA a couple of weeks ago, probably on other forums I frequent too. I didn't start a thread or anything, I think it just came up in conversation about new products we released at SEMA.
It is certainly claimed to be tougher than factory clear. It is also meant to be more scratch resistant. Once you have OC on your paint you are maintaining the OC, not your clear coat. I've never noticed marring on all the vehicles I have it on.
However like any paint finish it still has to be maintained, but you really only need something mild like their Poli-Seal to maintain it. Poli-Seal can be used successfully even with a red pad. Poli-Seal would easily remove the micro marring you are referring to if it did occur.
You certainly don't have to remove OC to make small corrections. Obviously, if you have real problems and need something like M105 etc. to correct well then of course the OC would also be removed during the correction and therefore would have to be reapplied.
Secondly if you ever decided to remove OC, then you would then need to abrade it off.
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There are no steps to take after you apply it. This coating does the job of sealants and waxes, but doesn't need to be reapplied at intervals like they do. Just wash regularly with a good product and technique and that's it. Some people do like to top it from time to time with a QD or spray wax, but it's really not necessary. Also, any product you apply will on last a month or less because the coating won't allow it to fully bond. This is a good thing because contaminants won't stick well either making the car easier to maintain.