i think my brand new car was repainted at the factory

07 z-oh-6 said:
:iagree: x 1000!!!

If they re-paint the door, they're gonna hafta blend into the 1/4 panel. :eek:
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on a metallic this strong (dark in color) its likely they would blend the entire side of the car. up the 1/4 into the roof seam and 3/4th the front fender. and then to top it off, you can bet you will be making a trip back to the paint shop for complaints about heavy orange peel. to which they will sand down and polish but do so at risk cause they didn't add additional paint on the respray to level the paint in the first place. hmmm, sounds like ive been down this road before.... :)

I totally agree, I would live with this small issue. you want to preserve factory paint at all costs. especially with the crap production body shop work that is done nowadays.

the only shop that will do a re-spray that will make ANYONE on this forum happy is a concours custom paint booth. something insurance money will laugh at.
 
I don't want to jinx myself, but if my car ever needs to be re-painted.....BYE-BYE!!!
 
didn't read the whole thread but my wife bought a new Si sedan a few years ago and it had been hit during transport and repaired somewhere before the dealership. the paint looked alright but there were a few mechanical issues with that side of the car and then the paint started to bubble a bit...and when Honda took the paint down to repair it they found filler! it was such a PITA because the car had already been to the dealer for so many things and then to find that...ugh.

needless to say, the car was taken back by our broker and exchanged for another new one, but in a different color.

apparently they don't have to disclose damage if it is under a certain dollar amount.

sorry if this has already been said.

mg6045 said:
the only shop that will do a re-spray that will make ANYONE on this forum happy is a concours custom paint booth. something insurance money will laugh at.
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this isn't necessarily true. over the years i've had some paint work done at what is normally a volume shop (Somers Point Auto Body in Somers Point, NJ) and it has been absolutely flawless. the one time i went elsewhere because my normal shop was overbooked it was TERRIBLE, so i've never gone elsewhere since, even if i had to wait. granted, the shop manager knows that i'll settle for nothing less and that seems to have a great bearing on the final product. i guess it was just a little more care in the prep, the application and the finish work.
 
builthatch said:
apparently they don't have to disclose damage if it is under a certain dollar amount. sorry if this has already been said.
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Yes, it was mentioned before but it's worth repeating, and I'll add that a number of years ago they put in that dollar threshold above which the dealer has to sell it as a used car...before that you could be buying a car that had $10K of bodywork as a new car.
 
My 2011 Malibu is a silver metallic, and the "tiger stripe" effect is apparent on my car. When looked at from an angle, I believe I can see every vertical stripe the paint sprayers made.
 
Without having read the whole thread - I have heard that sometimes you have to wait a certain amount of time before waxing a new car because the paint can be soft...? Can anyone address that?
 
dtbernstein87 said:
Without having read the whole thread - I have heard that sometimes you have to wait a certain amount of time before waxing a new car because the paint can be soft...? Can anyone address that?
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New cars are baked and you can wax them right off the assembly line.
 
mg6045 said:
I totally agree, I would live with this small issue. you want to preserve factory paint at all costs. especially with the crap production body shop work that is done nowadays.

the only shop that will do a re-spray that will make ANYONE on this forum happy is a concours custom paint booth. something insurance money will laugh at.
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Modern automotive finishing/refinishing has come a long ways in the last 20 years. Matching factory paint is no longer custom blending for the job, it is pure science with a standardized product/process. A modern dealership is your best bet for new factory paint.

I agree with other posters that your PTG readings do not indicate any refinishing, although I would not expect to see so much variation on your door panels. Were any door jamb readings taken? The jambs will have the least amount of clear coat, by comparison to your outer panels you will have an idea of clearcoat thickness.
 
When considering warranty paint work I contemplated the following,
I had a reputable paint shop give me an estimate on the work, I would have felt comfortable with this shop doing the work. Estimate was approx 3x more.
The use of a factory authorized body shop, this shop was actually part of the dealership. Did not have any info on them.
I used the factory shop, that way chrysler could not second guess the quality of work by saying its not an authorized repair shop.
I don't know if factory paint repairs can be used under the lemon law, (don't know if your state even has one), however this will be the shops 3 attempt at resolving my issue. If mine is not above quality I may have some recourse against chrysler.

just my 2x

good luck
 
It seems like the consensus is that there isn't actually a problem here.

At lunch I went back to the same dealership I was at yesterday and looked at another 45th Camaro. There was sunlight out today so I asked a salesman to pull it into the sun, so that I could see the reflection off of the door. I pulled my car behind it so we had angles on both doors reflecting the light.

I swear we looked for 10 minutes and he could see the color variations on my door, but could also see them slightly on the other Camaro. I looked at both and at times I thought I could see them slightly on the other car, but then when I looked at my car, I couldn't really see them that well. About the time we started looking the sun went behind a cloud, which is not helpful at all.

I don't know if my eyes were deceiving me or not, but it looked like the other car had a similar blotchy effect to the paint in different lighting circumstances, although not as prominent as what I see in my car. The salesman didn't think anything was wrong with my car, but I still would have preferred better light so I could get the worse reflection off of my car and compare it exactly to the reflection of the other car.

At any rate, it sounds like at this point I should forget about it and move on and that it is very possibly happening to other copies of my type of Camaro. It is weird to walk out to my car occasionally and see the blotchiness in the right lighting, but I think living with it is probably the easiest solution at this point if you guys truly believe the PTG readings point towards this being factory paint. Plus seeing that other GM metallic paints have had similar effects on other cars puts me at ease.

Still though, kind of a befuddling concept: if the paint on the car is factory paint, I'm okay with the imperfection; but if the paint on the car is not factory paint, I'm not okay with the imperfection. Either way the imperfection is the same. Oh well. Better to get over it then to obsess about it.

Thanks again for all of the responses.
 
kiteman said:
At any rate, it sounds like at this point I should forget about it and move on. It is weird to see the blotchiness in the right lighting instance, but I think living with it is probably the easiest solution at this point.
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My GM car was a demo car that had heavy DISO, and I polished the heck out of it before I gave up out of fear I would take all the clear off. Afterwards I noticed some variation in the flake, and was afraid I had thinned it too much in those areas...but it was probably just spray variation like you have been seeing.

Try not to let it bother you...that still is a cool color.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
My GM car was a demo car...
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I went to one of these GM demos a couple of years ago...:eek:

Man do they let peple flog those cars. I rode around in a 'vette that the demo-guy kept insisting to push hard. It was a small auto-x type course marked out in cones, but the Corvette/HHR course was more technical with longer straights and tighter turns. They were getting BEAT on.

Some of the other cars...just a cruise through the cones. After the ride in the vette though, I wanted to know what they did with the cars after the demos. I can't believe they sold them. It had to have been the hardest couple of thousand miles a car ever acquired.

I assume you knew it was a demo car going in though, right? That was my biggest concern.
 
JBL said:
I went to one of these GM demos a couple of years ago...:eek:

Man do they let peple flog those cars.
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Hold on there, Sparky! A demo car is the one they let people test drive for 5 minutes around the block when people want to drive a car of that model. I don't know what you call one of those ones they drive on a racetrack or autocross course...but that ain't it.

How being a demo car is pertinent to swirls, is that they parked it under a big tree, so they washed it every day for 2 months in their highly skilled minimum wage after-school dealer detailing program.
 
kiteman said:
It seems like the consensus is that there isn't actually a problem here.

At lunch I went back to the same dealership I was at yesterday and looked at another 45th Camaro. There was sunlight out today so I asked a salesman to pull it into the sun, so that I could see the reflection off of the door. I pulled my car behind it so we had angles on both doors reflecting the light.

I swear we looked for 10 minutes and he could see the color variations on my door, but could also see them slightly on the other Camaro. I looked at both and at times I thought I could see them slightly on the other car, but then when I looked at my car, I couldn't really see them that well. About the time we started looking the sun went behind a cloud, which is not helpful at all.

I don't know if my eyes were deceiving me or not, but it looked like the other car had a similar blotchy effect to the paint in different lighting circumstances, although not as prominent as what I see in my car. The salesman didn't think anything was wrong with my car, but I still would have preferred better light so I could get the worse reflection off of my car and compare it exactly to the reflection of the other car.

At any rate, it sounds like at this point I should forget about it and move on and that it is very possibly happening to other copies of my type of Camaro. It is weird to walk out to my car occasionally and see the blotchiness in the right lighting, but I think living with it is probably the easiest solution at this point if you guys truly believe the PTG readings point towards this being factory paint. Plus seeing that other GM metallic paints have had similar effects on other cars puts me at ease.

Still though, kind of a befuddling concept: if the paint on the car is factory paint, I'm okay with the imperfection; but if the paint on the car is not factory paint, I'm not okay with the imperfection. Either way the imperfection is the same. Oh well. Better to get over it then to obsess about it.

Thanks again for all of the responses.
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Best way to tell for sure, get some halogen flood lights or something similarly as bright and light it up. Its amazing how much more can be seen.
 
if i can recall correctly dont the robots spray horizontal and not vertical? i would honestly live with it, truth be told only us 'geeks obsess over the small things :P
 
I went through a similar paint nightmare with a black Toyota MR2 I bought brand new in 2003. For some reason the paint started peeling off the front and rear bumper six months after I got it. Had the dealer fix it under warranty, and three months later, same thing happened again. Brought it back and was told, of course, it was somehow my fault. They fixed it again under warranty. Guess what? It AGAIN started peeling off the bumper and the hood. I went through this 4 or 5 times and finally got rid of the car for that reason. Dealer told me Toyota bumpers are very hard to make paint stick to. Now it's someone else's problem. After that incident, I switched to BMW vehicles, and I find the difference in the quality of the paint/finish night and day. BMW paint IMHO always seems to clean up nice and hold its appearance. After a year, that Toyota paint was looking terrible with swirls, blotches, peelings, etc... To be honest, I'll never buy another Toyota again because of that experience.
 
wow what the f?

That looks horrible. Im very sorry to see that. Problem is that most dealerships wont own up to it and will do little to help. What can they do at this point besides a respray? Even a respray would piss me off since its a new car and will diminish value.
 
Quick little update: I finally spoke to my dealership and the salesman confirmed there was nothing showing on the VIN for a repaint anywhere in the order/delivery process. He did say however that they have had a lot of paint problems come out of the factory that produced my particular car, so he has no doubt this could easily be a defect due to improper factory painting. I asked him if this would be a warranty item and he said absolutely. I only spoke to him and he hasn't seen the car in person yet, but I'm not concerned as you all know this defect is obviously visible.

He also said they could remove the door, paint it, and put it back on without blending into any other nearby panel. Do you guys think that is possible? I ask only because it appears the blotchy effect is getting worse, so if they can only repaint it and get it even 50% better, it's worth consideration at this point.
 
kiteman said:
He also said they could remove the door, paint it, and put it back on without blending into any other nearby panel. Do you guys think that is possible? I ask only because it appears the blotchy effect is getting worse, so if they can only repaint it and get it even 50% better, it's worth consideration at this point.
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I'd go for that if it's still bothering you. I may be living in the past, but you will still have to be concerned with the match of the color, flake layout and orange peel, as well as the new paint fading/aging differently from the rest of the car.
 
kiteman said:
Quick little update: I finally spoke to my dealership and the salesman confirmed there was nothing showing on the VIN for a repaint anywhere in the order/delivery process. He did say however that they have had a lot of paint problems come out of the factory that produced my particular car, so he has no doubt this could easily be a defect due to improper factory painting. I asked him if this would be a warranty item and he said absolutely. I only spoke to him and he hasn't seen the car in person yet, but I'm not concerned as you all know this defect is obviously visible.

He also said they could remove the door, paint it, and put it back on without blending into any other nearby panel. Do you guys think that is possible? I ask only because it appears the blotchy effect is getting worse, so if they can only repaint it and get it even 50% better, it's worth consideration at this point.
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Good luck matching a metallic black if it's not blended into other panels.
 
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