New Toy - #5000 Grit Trizact Foam Finishing Discs

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

New Toy - #5000 Grit Trizact Foam Finishing Discs

Came into work this morning and found a box of 3M Trizact #5000 Foam Discs on my desk to test out...

Meguiar's #3000 is considered a ultra fine grit sanding/finishing disc
Mirka Abralon #4000 is considered an ultra fine grit sanding/finishing disc

I guess this makes 3M #5000 Ultra Ultra Fine?

#5000 Grit Trizact Foam Finishing Discs

Front

Back

Close-up

Need something to sand now... hmm...

 

[ICEMAN]

holy crap. What would you need that for? The face looks crazy. I have never seen more than 3000 grit. Cant wait to see how it does. Hopefully you do some 3000/5000 50/50's. Thanks!!

 

[insigner]

What speeds are you using with these Mike?

 

[Lasthope05]

Wow! I think its great and all but completely unnecessary. Meg/3m 3000 grit foam already leaves a finish so well and easy to buff off what is the point of a 5000grit disc? so you can polish out the scratches with a light polish?

 

[bigdriver4u]

Mike,
What are the costs for these? I like the 3m discs but they seem somewhat expensive. The smaller 3 inch disk in a box of 50 was about $50/$60 bucks..

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

One of my students that attended our last Boot Camp Class just bought a 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera and it has been recently painted. Tim has contacted the painter to get the specific about how much paint was sprayed and the painter says he sprayed enough to do a second, higher quality wetsand process to it.

So for sure we're going to finish out with these #5000 Grit Finishing Discs.


Tim's 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera

I'm planning a class on wetsanding with a real car to sand down and as of today I'm still in the planning stage.

I have a couple other guys in this area that want their cars sanded and buffed too that are getting their cars painted so I can make sure they talk to the painter and have plenty of paint sprayed onto the car.


I need to get a head count as to how many people want to attend this class. Price will be like the Boot Camp Class, that's $600.00 for a Saturday, Sunday class with $200.00 merchandise credit at Autogeek.net


In the past I've had a lot of guys post they want to learn to wetsand and actually dampsand but it's a huge undertaking to try to knock it out in 2 days.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

What speeds are you using with these Mike?

My guess is you would use these just like the Meguiar's Unigrit finishing discs which means light downward pressure and a fast arm speed in a range of the 4-6 speed setting depending on which electric DA you're using and 3/4 to full throttle on a air DA sander. Key point is to keep the pad rotating and keep the sander moving at all times.

I cover this in my how-to article which is also going to be turned into a how-to book here,

Damp-Sanding Tools, Tips and Techniques by Mike Phillips

Wow! I think its great and all but completely unnecessary.

Like a lot of cool detailing products.

Meg/3m 3000 grit foam already leaves a finish so well and easy to buff off what is the point of a 5000grit disc? so you can polish out the scratches with a light polish?

Like I posted, I came in and found these on my desk, being Monday all I've done since arriving to work is playing catch-up on multiple websites and other touch points that I contribute to plus answer scads of e-mails, messages and PM's.

One thing for sure, compounding is fastest and easiest by finishing out at the highest grit paper you can obtain. I like the Meguiar's #3000 Grit but I like the Abralon #4000 even better. After finishing out with either the #3000 or #4000 grit discs you actually start to restore gloss and reflectivity to paint. I demonstrated this at my last Detailing Boot Camp Class, I'll try to have the pictures posted this week.

Pictures & Comments from May 5th & 6th Detailing Boot Camp

Mike,
What are the costs for these? I like the 3m discs but they seem somewhat expensive. The smaller 3 inch disk in a box of 50 was about $50/$60 bucks..

Well just to be clear...

First we don't currently carry or stock these new discs. Like I posted, I found them on my desk this morning because I love wetsanding projects and have a few coming up I was interested in them. I figured if I'm interested in them then others are probably interested in them too... so I shared a couple of pictures.


As for price, I don't know the retail price and have no control over it either, when it comes to 3M products it is what it is...


:xyxthumbs:

 

[Lasthope05]

Like a lot of cool detailing products.

Like I posted, I came in and found these on my desk, being Monday all I've done since arriving to work is playing catch-up on multiple websites and other touch points that I contribute to plus answer scads of e-mails, messages and PM's.

One thing for sure, compounding is fastest and easiest by finishing out at the highest grit paper you can obtain. I like the Meguiar's #3000 Grit but I like the Abralon #4000 even better. After finishing out with either the #3000 or #4000 grit discs you actually start to restore gloss and reflectivity to paint. I demonstrated this at my last Detailing Boot Camp Class, I'll try to have the pictures posted this week.

Haha, Yea I have a lot of unnecessary detailing products and tools, but they make life a little bit easier. Ive use the 3m trizact quite a bit and i know the finish it leaves behind (very very light oxidation), but like I've said that finish is already so fine. I can only imagine what the 5000grit is going to leave. A slight haze that a medium/light polish would take care of?

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I can only imagine what the 5000grit is going to leave. A slight haze that a medium/light polish would take care of?

And less aggressive or less powerful tools, for example a PC with a microfiber or foam cutting pad.

 

[opie_7afe]

very nice, these discs could come in very handy with refinishing plastics and such imo. and some companies have sanding disc's that is EVEN FINER then 5000 grit, i believe they produce 12,000 grit discs

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

And less aggressive or less powerful tools, for example a PC with a microfiber or foam cutting pad.

Awesome. :dblthumb2:

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

some companies have sanding disc's that is EVEN FINER then 5000 grit, i believe they produce 12,000 grit discs

I think the company you're referring to is called Micro Mesh?


Didn't get to sand with them today but will do so tomorrow and post some pictures. Plus I'll see just how non-aggressive I can get and still remove the sanding marks.

 

[opie_7afe]

you are correct mike!, that is the company that makes the 12k grit disc's. i really need to get some 5" or 6" discs here soon. that is my next project now that i do not need any more detailing chemicals....is to work on my own car and get the front end painted...

Lets start a bet on what product will remove 5,000 grit sanding marks...im guessing 205 on white would remove with ease, car pro fixer would be a good contender on a black pad, maybe even pinnacle finishing glaze on a black pad will remove 5,000 grit.

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I think MF/M105/G110v2 could even pull out Abralon 4000 grit sanding scratches.

 

[timaishu]

Good lord. I just used 3000 grit for the first time a few days ago and was able to polish out most of it with optimum finish polish by hand. Got impatient and finished it quicker with with optimum polish II.

Could you buff this out this 5000 grit with a cleaner wax? :laughing:

 

[Robert8194]

One of my students that attended our last Boot Camp Class just bought a 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera and it has been recently painted. Tim has contacted the painter to get the specific about how much paint was sprayed and the painter says he sprayed enough to do a second, higher quality wetsand process to it.

So for sure we're going to finish out with these #5000 Grit Finishing Discs.


Tim's 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera

I'm planning a class on wetsanding with a real car to sand down and as of today I'm still in the planning stage.

I have a couple other guys in this area that want their cars sanded and buffed too that are getting their cars painted so I can make sure they talk to the painter and have plenty of paint sprayed onto the car.


I need to get a head count as to how many people want to attend this class. Price will be like the Boot Camp Class, that's $600.00 for a Saturday, Sunday class with $200.00 merchandise credit at Autogeek.net


In the past I've had a lot of guys post they want to learn to wetsand and actually dampsand but it's a huge undertaking to try to knock it out in 2 days.

Seems like we made a pretty good dent in a GTO in one day. I would encourage anyone interested in learning damp sanding technique to take advantage of this opportunity. The class last July was incredible.

 

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

d300 on a mf pad will take care of 5000 no sweat on a D/A.

 

[shoeless89]

Hmm I'm curious to see how everything turns out!

 

[Perfections]

I think MF/M105/G110v2 could even pull out Abralon 4000 grit sanding scratches.

A polishing pad and po85rd can pull out the 4k marks easily.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Seems like we made a pretty good dent in a GTO in one day. I would encourage anyone interested in learning damp sanding technique to take advantage of this opportunity.

Considering that most of the people in this class had never wetsanded by hand or by machine and most had never used a rotary buffer with an aggressive wool pad and compound to remove sanding marks out of an entire car... yes I consider this project very successful

Pictures & Comments from July 10th, 2011 Sunday Detailing 102 - Advanced Class


Here's a few pictures from our most recent Wetsanding Class, the pictures kind of tell the story...

Instead of using demo hoods we have an actual car. It was painted Wednesday night and has a lot of orange peel which should really give our students a great experience learning how to hand sand and machine dampsand.

All taped off and ready to go!

Check out Daniel as he practices perfect technique for wet sanding by hand.

And there's Sergio! I don't think I've seen this guy without a smile on his face.

Tavares wet sanding the roof by hand.

Time to show the guys how it's done with the 3M Pneumatic Air Sander.

Tackling the small areas with the Griot's Garage 3" Polisher, Meguiar's 3" interface and 1500 grit sanding disc.

And then it was time to break out the trusty PC 7424XP.

Looks like two professionals in the making right there!

Sergio and Tavares tackle the roof with the G110v2 and PC 7424XP.

The students from that class did an awesome job of sanding and buffing the paint and more importantly learned the techniques required to undertake a full wetsanding project especially with a car that had extreme orange peel

The goal of the class is not to make each person an expert, that's not realistic in a one=day class. The goal is to bring up each person's comfort level with the terms, products and techniques used for wetsanding paint and using rotary buffers.

Trying to go from incredibly horrendous orange peel to a show car finish in 6-7 hours with a group of people that are all new to the wetsanding process is a worthy goal but realistically, after the class there was still a lot of sanding to the lower panels left to do and a thorough compounding to make sure all the sanding marks have been removed.

Over the weekend I finished all the sanding, cutting and polishing and I'm happy to say the horrendous orange peel has been removed, the paint polished to a high gloss and she's ready to be returned to the owner. Here's a few pictures before the car leaves today...

After Shots

The class last July was incredible.

I agree, it was a stellar class to have been a part of and I'm thankful to have also been a part of it.


Here's a close-up of the Extreme Makeover Team for the GTO

From left to right...

Dan, James, Tavares is behind Sergio and myself, then Robert, behind Robert is Nick, then Dan then Eric