Wolfgang paint sealant why have you forsaken me?

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Hey guys, newb detailer here so bear with me. I broke down and bought the $80 trio 2 pack from Wolfgang and got the Swirl Remover 3.0, Glaze 3.0, and the Paint Sealant. I used the swirl remover on the whole vehicle but skipped the glaze. I then applied the sealant by hand, let it set on the vehicle for 45 minutes, buffed it off with a microfiber towel, and then let my truck set in the garage overnight for 12+ hours.
Well, this weekend, we got about 2.75" of rain in about 6 hours and the water spots on my vehicle are horrendous. It's almost as if they're etched into the paint. I'm kind of disappointed. What went wrong?
Hood
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Roof
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Any help on this detailing experts?
 
Try a quick detailer on those spots. Maybe the sealant is holding up well underneath that stuff.
 
Try rewashing, and if that doesn't work clay then use the Finishing Glaze to remove the spots.
 
Talking about wg dgps I had similar problem
I fully polished a black car with po85rd
Laid 2 coats of wg sealant each layer cured over 12 hours before another
Had a layer of fuzion on top

Parked outside for one night
I believe sprinkler system is on every morning
Next morning I go look at the car
There is water spots all over

I have no clue what the hell is going on...
I thought sealant is suppose to repel water spots from forming?
 
Did you clay the car? Im not an "expert", but if it was me I would wash the car and see if the spots just wipe off. Its possible there was something odd in the rain/atmosphere like fallout or acid rain, maybe more possible if it rained very hard. Do other silarly colored cars in your area have the same spots? Or, where you parked under a tree or awning where hard rain brought some residue down with it? After I washed it, I would top the sealant with a good Carnuba. Maybe the surface wasn't prepped right and the sealant didn't take in all areas?
 
You can try something like Duragloss Water Spot Remover. It may work.
 
Are you sure those water spots weren't there before you put on the sealant? The reason I ask is, 1) there are swirls on the roof so maybe the TSR didn't remove everything, and 2) those water spots aren't the size and shape I'd expect from WGDGPS.

A sealant won't eliminate water spots. Since the water is beading, it may actually make it worse.
 
madbomber08 said:
Hey guys, newb detailer here so bear with me. I broke down and bought the $80 trio 2 pack from Wolfgang and got the Swirl Remover 3.0, Glaze 3.0, and the Paint Sealant. I used the swirl remover on the whole vehicle but skipped the glaze. I then applied the sealant by hand, let it set on the vehicle for 45 minutes, buffed it off with a microfiber towel, and then let my truck set in the garage overnight for 12+ hours.
Well, this weekend, we got about 2.75" of rain in about 6 hours and the water spots on my vehicle are horrendous. It's almost as if they're etched into the paint. I'm kind of disappointed. What went wrong?

Hood

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Any help on this detailing experts?
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Sorry you're disappointed and there's nothing more discouraging that spending 8 hours or more laboring over your pride and joy and see water spots....

Sealants add a protective barrier between the finish and what mother nature dishes out. While sealants do protect they unfortunately do not eliminate water spotting...

Water spots appear after the water evaporates leaving behind minerals, dust, and what ever else the water droplet attracted.

Sealants not only protect the finish they also make water spots somewhat easier to remove using a rinseless wash, a waterless wash, or possibly a detail spray..
 
I am going to go ahead and ask the obvious

Have you tried fully washing the car?

If so, I am going to guess you were parked under a tree or something...
 
Since u used the swirl remover i would assume the paint is in good shape before u apply the sealant.
I have heard people saying that WG DGPS is easy to have water spots. Try to wash with a shampoo that is good at cleaning like Citrus Wash and Gloss to see if the spots are gone?
If no u hv to remove everything and prep ur car again.
 
I've had the same problem with several lsp's ive put on my car. I dont have a garage, so my car is always outside. But wether i'm using meg's 26, colli 845, or klasse HGSG, the day or so after its unimpressive, whether it be way dusty or obvious water spots. I hand wash it, and after that its looking beautiful.
 
BobbyG said it, when water evaporates it leaves behind what ever is in it. So if tree pollen or salt from the sea or any other minerals will be left behind where the water beaded. The sealant will make these water spots much easier to remove. Like was said un protected pait will not bead thus not water spot but be assure that the minerals are still laying on your paint and damaging it every day there is no protection.

A simple wash and dry should remove them with ease I would think.
 
OP I am in the same boat as you, I thought using a higher end product would help repel or even make it easier to remove. I have a black car and the same happened. I will wash the car tomorrow again with rinseless and hopefully that will help.
 
Wow, guys, thanks for all the responses I really appreciate the feedback. To answer a few questions, no, I have not washed it yet but just licking my finger and trying to scrub through the spots does not remove them. Yes, during the rainstorm storm it was parked under a tree because I thought it'd hail, although it never did. I'll wash it tomorrow or the next day and report back with some pics. I have my doubts whether they'll completely come out just by washing.

To put this into perspective, this is a 1997 Toyota 4runner and the paint was beginning to fade on the roof. So I bought the three products and borrowed my friends 10" buffer (it was a monster and pain to work with) but I wanted to try and get the oxidized spot on the roof shined up a bit. But mainly I wanted the sealant to protect the roof from future damage.

If washing it doesn't work, I will most likely start the process over and do it right this time with the Porter Cable 7424XP. I didn't want to spend that much for a 15 year old vehicle but desperate times....
 
Just to clarify, does anyone think this product is just crap? I'm hoping it's just user error on my part.

In order I washed, clayed, Swirl remover, sealant.
 
madbomber08 said:
Just to clarify, does anyone think this product is just crap? I'm hoping it's just user error on my part.
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Applied one layer of WGDGPS on a white 08 crv couple months back now. Still holding on pretty strong although i do wash it frequently and always use a spray wax. Loving the WGDGPS so far!
 
I'm now to this but I do understand the science side pretty well. Nothing stops rain spots. After it stops raining there will be water drops on you car, nicely beaded if you've waxed it. When the water evaporates it leaves behind any minerals that are in the water. A good sealant will stop these minerals from eating into your paint, making them easier to remove (ie, wash your car). Hope this helps.
 
Ok, the problem might be a few issues. If you were using a 10" buffer, you probably werent really getting the abrasives in the polish to break down and effectively do what it needed to do. Therefore, my guess is the paint is still in far from perfect condition. Those giant polishers are more for spreading wax than any effective correction work.

Secondly you parked under a tree. So as it was raining, the rain was washing all the stuff that the tree has been collecting off and onto whatever was underneath it (your car).

If you are trying just to get some of the oxidized paint off and get it somewhat shinyer, you might want to just try a cleaner wax. One step, ok results, and you are done.

When it rains, and my car is not underneath anything, it does dry relatively clean. There will always be some water spots, but they usually come right off (regardless of whats on top of my paint). WGDGPS I do believe has a longer curing time than most sealants, so its also possible it had not completely cured in 12 hours, especially in high humidity.

More often than not, its more about the process than the products themselves, and perhaps you arent using the right products and process to achieve the results you are hoping for.
 
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