Disappointing experiance with LC CCS pads purchased from autogeek

imranhakro

imranhakro

New member
Joined
May 7, 2012
Messages
142
Reaction score
0
My brand new Yellow cutting CCF pad separated from its velcro black cloth when i was using ultimate compound on silver Merc with my brand new PCXP at speed 5.:awman:

I am so pissed off because of the quality of manufacture that LC has.

I bought it from autogeek along with PCXP http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/36280-post-your-unpacking-pictures-203.html#post692739 . It ripped off after i did half the car, And it was brand new pad :mad:. Thank God i pulled back on the right time (i've got alot of experiance of pulling back on the right time though ;) ) otherwise the paint would have been damaged severely.

I live in pakistan, and i dont think autogeek or LC would even replace it. I feel so sad and pissed off :cry:

somebody suggest what to do?
 
I had the same issue, I contacted them on their website. I'll see how it goes maybe tomorrow.
 
imranhakro said:
My brand new Yellow cutting CCF pad separated from its velcro black cloth when i was using ultimate compound on silver Merc with my brand new PCXP at speed 5.:awman:

I am so pissed off because of the quality of manufacture that LC has.

I bought it from autogeek along with PCXP http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/36280-post-your-unpacking-pictures-203.html#post692739 . (i've got alot of experiance of pulling back on the right time though ;)
Click to expand...

Don't jinx yourself now lol.



Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk
 
At least i know that i m never gonna waste my hard earned money on LC pads ever again...
 
I am sorry to here this.


If you used the same pad for half the car it is very possible that you had product soaking into the pad creating undue heat. This will easily create the problem and cause the glue to let go. The only times I have had pads separate like this is when I used too much pressure to create overheating and had product soak through. On most cars I would plan on using no less than 4 pads.
 
TroyScherer said:
I am sorry to here this.


If you used the same pad for half the car it is very possible that you had product soaking into the pad creating undue heat. This will easily create the problem and cause the glue to let go. The only times I have had pads separate like this is when I used too much pressure to create overheating and had product soak through. On most cars I would plan on using no less than 4 pads.
Click to expand...

I was using Ultimate compound, which itself is very dry product to be soaked in into the pad. IMO, LC should use a better quality glue BTW.
 
Oh dear, I'm about to get some 6.5" CCS pads, they are on their way, how do I avoid this!!!!
 
imranhakro said:
I was using Ultimate compound, which itself is very dry product to be soaked in into the pad. IMO, LC should use a better quality glue BTW.
Click to expand...

TroyScherer said:
The only times I have had pads separate like this is when I used too much pressure to create overheating and had product soak through. On most cars I would plan on using no less than 4 pads.
Click to expand...


This is also a product of using to much pressure and thus generating to much heat.


Now without picture I can not know for sure. So this is only my initial guess based on my own past experience of melting pads and backing plates.
 
Did you clean the pad as you were using it? A pad will absorb lots of lubricant, spent polish and paint as you polish. If you don't clean the pad as you go it won't cut as well and likely mean that you will be applying more pressure than necessary, generating much more heat. The excess of liquid in the pad will make it heavier and stress the bond to the backing.

Not saying that this was your fault just asking if you might have overlooked this simple cleaning on the fly process.
 
while i will admit that canceling the order would solve this problem, I'm guessing that these pads are made to be used ;) LC pads are sold with a large number of the AG polishers, I doubt they are shipping out stuff that doesn't work, maybe there are steps that need/should to be taken to avoid this happening, which would be helpful to all LC pad users.....
 
jfelbab said:
Did you clean the pad as you were using it? A pad will absorb lots of lubricant, spent polish and paint as you polish. If you don't clean the pad as you go it won't cut as well and likely mean that you will be applying more pressure than necessary, generating much more heat. The excess of liquid in the pad will make it heavier and stress the bond to the backing.

Not saying that this was your fault just asking if you might have overlooked this simple cleaning on the fly process.
Click to expand...

This was a brand new pad.
After opening it from sealed plastic bag and sticking it on DA, i primed it with XMT Polishing Pad Conditioner by Pinnacle For your dual action or rotary polisher. , and yes i cleaned the pad twice on the fly before it ditched me when i was half done on the car.
 
Yikes. I used UC on my entire car with one 5.5 LC Orange pad a couple of weeks ago, but did not experience this. 4 pads is recommended??
 
imranhakro said:
My brand new Yellow cutting CCF pad separated from its velcro black cloth when i was using ultimate compound on silver Merc with my brand new PCXP at speed 5.:awman:

I am so pissed off because of the quality of manufacture that LC has.

I bought it from autogeek along with PCXP http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/36280-post-your-unpacking-pictures-203.html#post692739 . It ripped off after i did half the car, And it was brand new pad :mad:. Thank God i pulled back on the right time (i've got alot of experiance of pulling back on the right time though ;) ) otherwise the paint would have been damaged severely.

I live in pakistan, and i dont think autogeek or LC would even replace it. I feel so sad and pissed off :cry:

somebody suggest what to do?
Click to expand...

More often than not, pad failure is due to user error. This could include improper cleaning or too much pressure being applied to the machine. Pads should be cleaned after each panel ("on the fly" works best) and you should not be applying excessive pressure to the polisher. Lighten up on the pressure and let the pad/polish/tool do the work.

We sell thousands of Lake Country pads and very rarely do we receive any complaints that pertain to pad failure as a result of a manufacturing defect. But like anything else that's mass produced, a couple might slip through the cracks. Lake Country, along with Autogeek, stands behind every pad we carry and if a pad does fail due to a manufacturing defect, we'll gladly replace it if possible or in your case, refund the original purchase price.

It's very easy to determine whether or not a paid failure is caused by a manufacturing defect or because of user error. Feel free to post a couple pictures of the pad.

:dblthumb2:
 
imranhakro said:
At least i know that i m never gonna waste my hard earned money on LC pads ever again...
Click to expand...

I've been in this business a long time and if you do the same thing while buffing using any pad you're going to get the same results.

See my comment below as to why...

imranhakro said:
IMO, LC should use a better quality glue BTW.
Click to expand...


I've seen threads about the "adhesives" used like this for all pads from all companies for decades now and I can assure you that pad manufactures are using the best adhesive technology available.

The problem isn't the adhesive technology, the problem is people pushing technology to it's limit and then something has to give...

I agree with Troy, you need to purchase more pads to properly buff out whatever it is you're buffing out.

If you're using yellow foam CUTTING pads and one of the MOST AGGRESSIVE compounds on the market for use with a DA Polisher that indicates to me you're working on something that is either highly neglected or hacked-up by someone else or both.

If that's the case then you're likely pushing these pads, plus the tool plus the compound to it's limit and something gave...

Again, if you repeat your process with any other company's pad chances are very high you're going to see the same result.

Lake Country has a reputation of making the machine buffing pads on the market since 1977.


:props:
 
magna_power said:
Oh dear, I'm about to get some 6.5" CCS pads, they are on their way, how do I avoid this!!!!
Click to expand...

Regardless of pad you buy from any company, if you push the pad to the limit of technology it's going to fail. Lake Country Pads are top notch quality pads in design, adhesive, Velcro trademarked Hook-N-Loop material for the pads and their backing plates, not generic versions), and if foam technology.

I wouldn't discount or avoid purchasing Lake Country Foam Pads because of the issue raised by the OP of this thread. I wouldn't even entertain the thought.

Instead, use the pads intelligently and you'll be one of millions of satisfied customers over the last 35 years of doing stellar business in all aspects of the automotive industry.


:xyxthumbs:
 
While I have experianced some pad failure with LC pads, I have to admit that I was the one at fault. I have used these pads (flats) for many years and have been more than satisfied with the quality and craftmanship that goes into producing these products.
 
I'm sure AG will replace them for you, they have great customer service and back up whatever they sell.

On another note, LC pads will fail like this, but I've yet to have a Megs foam pad fail in this way.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top