Raceglaze 55 vs Black Label??

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I've been wanting to try Raceglaze 55 for a while, but I see that they also sell the 66% White Carnuaba Black Label. Has anyone tried both products for a comparison?
 
just the black label and it is a great carbuba. doesnt last long though its for show not durability.
 
Yes, i was going to use it on my garage queen which only gets washed a couple times a year
 
Speardog said:
I've been wanting to try Raceglaze 55 for a while, but I see that they also sell the 66% White Carnuaba Black Label. Has anyone tried both products for a comparison?
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Out of curiosity...

Whom is the: they...you're talking about?

And I wonder how the 66% "white carnuba" content of Black Label
is actually determined. (Mathematically, that is!)

:dunno:

Bob
 
I've wanted to try Black Label for a quite a while, but after reading an article by Dodo on 'carnauba by volume', I've been extremely hesitant.
 
FUNX725 said:
Out of curiosity...

Whom is the: they...you're talking about?

And I wonder how the 66% "white carnuba" content of Black Label
is actually determined. (Mathematically, that is!)

:dunno:

Bob
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Heh, it's funny how they never share that particular tidbit of information - and a bit sad that people still fall for carnauba percentage marketing tricks.
 
umi000 said:
Heh, it's funny how they never share that particular tidbit of information - and a bit sad that people still fall for carnauba percentage marketing tricks.
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^^^:iagree:^^^

OH!! How true...:(

Bob
 
I heard a rumor once that the RG 45 & 55 were made by Victoria. Could be completely bogus

Has anyone tried either of those and Vic's Red?

Regardless of the marketing of carnuba percentages, I think its pretty safe to say RG 55 & Black Label are great waxes, as I've seen multiple favorable comments on both.

Of course, some will still insist that a $200 wax is just $20 worth of wax and $180 worth of hype.
 
FUNX725 said:
Out of curiosity...

Whom is the: they...you're talking about?

And I wonder how the 66% "white carnuba" content of Black Label
is actually determined. (Mathematically, that is!)

:dunno:

Bob
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"They" would be Raceglaze and unless you test your own wax in a lab, everyone's claims are hearsay. Pretty much that is with everything in this world.
 
The copy for Race Glaze Black Label says its "66% carnuba content by volume". The tub is 270 mls, which is a measurement of volume.

270 mls x 0.66 = 178.2 mls.

So, to me, this would mean 178.2 mls of the volume of the 270 ml container of product is carnuba wax.

So, that seems fairly simple to me how it's measured.

Unless they are saying, it was 66% carnuba "content by volume" before it was blended.

Either way, one can easily see that a product that is "66 % carnuba content by volume" likely has more "carnuba wax" in it than one that is "55% carnuba content by volume"

.... And, it LIKELY contains more carnuba wax than the myriad if manufacturers that don't list ANY of the content or ingredients on their LSPs. I don't really see much difference in this or calling your product "Ultimate", "Perfect-It", "Premium", or the like.

At least it actually describes the product, not an end result, - which has more to do with your preparation anyway.
 
As much as I want to try Black Label, it's information like the below from DoDo's FAQ that causes me to hesitate a bit.

OK, so how much carnauba is actually in Dodo Juice?
It depends on the individual wax, but Dodo Juice waxes generally have between 25%-35% carnauba content when measured without any jiggery-pokery. In our experience, the highest concentration of carnauba in a car wax that can be applied straight from a tin at room temperature is around 40%. If a manufacturer is claiming a lot more, then it is likely they are simply *calculating* a lot more. You can get Carol Vorderman to take the true percentage, divide by the number of days in the year and then multiply by the square root of your hamster's age to come up with a pleasing figure. Or you can measure carnauba by dry volume (instead of the more usual wet volume), by solids content, by overall wax content or by residual content. Basically any way you want. But it doesn't necessarily mean the wax is better. There's only one way of finding that out, and that's by slapping it on some paintwork. Needless to say, we don't state carnauba percentages on our products because they are too confusing and generally mislead the public. We'll take our chances without relying on any dubious marketing techniques. You can see an experiment we did with carnauba measurement here.
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02xtreme07SS said:
As much as I want to try Black Label, it's information like the below from DoDo's FAQ that causes me to hesitate a bit.
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Sounds like Dodo just doesn't want to be out sold by another manufacturer.
 
Speardog said:
Sounds like Dodo just doesn't want to be out sold by another manufacturer.
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The various threads by people attempting to home brew wax all indicate the same thing - going over 30% carnauba by volume makes waxes progressively harder and more difficult to use. In fact, most of the threads I've read (there are quite a few on Detailing World) show people starting at 30 to 35% carnauba by volume, then finding they have to back down on that amount to make their product workable.
 
Mike did an article some time ago, and there are indeed different ways to measure carnauba content. One is by volume and other is by _______.
 
Speardog said:
"They" would be Raceglaze and unless you test your own wax in a lab, everyone's claims are hearsay. Pretty much that is with everything in this world.
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Unfortunately...
There aren't, for the time being, regulatory administrations/commissions that require the
'Labeling-Accuracy' of Consumer Products...such as waxes. So:

Hearsay, or not: Is the marketing, for car-care products, ever disingenuous?

-55-66% Carnuba by volume, being Raceglaze's claim to fame in this instance...IMO:
Is hard to determine to be the actual 'mathematical-number' without also knowing
the % of all the other ingredients---by volume...in these, or any other wax-products, for that matter.

-Nowadays, carnuba is used mostly as a carrier, and that only a small part of: "The Look"...that wax produces...
Is from the actual content of the carnauba. The rest of: "The Look" is from the other ingredients.
I also keep in mind that the wax itself is rather inexpensive.


-Which causes me to often ponder:

'HMMM...Why pay more (sometimes obscenely more!!! :eek:) for a wax-product that boasts of
having the highest content...of one of the cheapest ingredients...as the mainstay of their particular wax formulae'.


Again...Hearsay, or not (and irregardless):
No one ever has to be heretical...
But marketing-practices/marketers often seem to be apostatical...

Or should disingenuity be viewed as the "New Religion"?


:)

Bob
 
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