M100 M101 M105 for DA use... some questions...

[DaC]

You know M105 is so finicky especially if you don't have a climate controlled shop to work in. Sometimes I get tons of dust and other times nothing at all. Dusting never bothered me that much though. I'm also leaning towards M100 to try next (out of FG400, M100, M101). I have a thing for SMAT compounds and low prices rops: Who knows maybe I'll end up with them all to do my own side by side testing.

EDIT: Just checked out your site. Nice job on the Civic

I had already figured I would never be able to empty my bottle from m105, such is the hard time I always have working with it.... But I've read somewhere else.... I don't know if it was Michael Stoops or Jason Rose, saying the issues specially with M105 was because people are always using it on a way it wasn't intended to be used.... he said that M105 was designed to work fast, cut fast... do more on less time basically.... so it wasn't like some diminishing compound that you need to work for 1 full minute or 2, but rather a quick use (which I suspect is around 20 seconds to me on a DA and 10s on a rotary). The problem is.... in 10s... what section size you're able to work ? Almost nothing, even if it cuts that fast...
Last time (this weekend), I figured "Well.... if I won't be using it, at least I'll try along with D300).... Primed my pad with D300, added 2 drops from M105, 1 from D300 and lived happily ever after...... I thought it was something new, but reading over the forums it was a trick already recommended by many many people and do work great..... you just lose that "body shop safe", factor from M105.

I'm too between FG400, M100, M101.... I would personally get the M101, I just don't think the price AG is asking is fair.... anyway, I can always ask for a price match (because price already dropped around $11 on some places), but even so it'll be 2x more than M100 and we also have, on this topic, some great feedback from the few people that have already tested M100 with a DA....

What worries me now is:

Less dust, more working time..... but where is the cutting ability when compared side by side with m105 on a DA ????? Much more ? A little more ? The same ? And compared to m101 on a DA ????? Much less ? A little less ?

Because if for a DA use, it'll cut just like M105, I'll sure jump into M101.... I still have plenty M105 / D300.... and what I'm looking for is to add something new to my working capacity...

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Thanks Mike... Look forward to meeting you this weekend. :xyxthumbs:

Cool. Looking forward to meeting you. My Thursday schedule is busy all day from morning till night as I have 6 classes so when we meet, please do let me know your name and your forum name and if you need to... jog my memory...

Gets kind of crazy at these shows...

 

[Pinpoint_Precision]

DaC are you Brazilian? If you are. Otimo trabalho no Civic.

 

[DaC]

DaC are you Brazilian? If you are. Otimo trabalho no Civic.

Sim, eu sou! Obrigado pelo elogio, no lado direito da página tem outros carros que já trabalhei também. Hoje acabei de entregar uma Veracruz. Em breve colocarei fotos dela lá também.

Yes I am! Thank you for the compliment, on the right side of the homepage there are some other cars that I've already worked on. I've just delivered a Veracruz today. I'll soon post it's pictures there

 

[cardaddy]

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Last time (this weekend), I figured "Well.... if I won't be using it, at least I'll try along with D300).... Primed my pad with D300, added 2 drops from M105, 1 from D300 and lived happily ever after...... I thought it was something new, but reading over the forums it was a trick already recommended by many many people and do work great..... you just lose that "body shop safe", factor from M105....

PMFJI... But along that note, I've also found that priming the pad really well with UC, then using the "3 pea" method gives 2 good solid section passes with 105 (even more if the temps are low).

Later,

Cardaddy

 

[Mike Moore]

Here are my personal findings using M100 "compound" with a DA

Pads used from left to right:
5" Surbuf, 5" Megs MF cutting disc, Lake Country 5.5" flat orange & White.

Megs M100, Porter Cable 7424xp, Bug sponge and 5" Surbuf pad.

Megs M100, Bug Sponge and Megs 5" MF cutting disc primed and ready.

After multiple tests with M100 & all three pads there were remaining swirls marks.
I had to use M101 after I did the M100 tests to complete the vehicle correction.

Finished work: Megs M101, DA and Lake Country 5.5" flat pad

Final Conclusion: M101 wins "Hand Down" against M100 when using it with a DA.
M100 is designed for rotary application with a wool pad. It didn't perform on a DA.
After the M101 I used M205 with LC 5.5" white pads & could not tell a difference.

Does M101 cost more? Yes, it does but for me it's a one product, one step finish.
Less time and only one product! In the end it's a wash as far as cost & less time.

Bottom line - I found Megs M101 to work excellent & finish down very nice.
I'd say there was "no mess" with M101 & only a minimal amount of dusting.
In My Humble Opinion M105 vs M101 are at opposite ends of the bell curve.
They both cut great. M101 is no mess, longer work time and a sweet finish.

Important:
Clean the pad after (or even during) each panel section that you polish.
I use the Foam Pad Conditioning Brush when using the orange flat pads.
I use the Safe Scrub bug sponge to clean the MF discs between panels

VERY SHORT REVIEW:
IMHO M100 doesn't cut it (Pun was intended) with a PC or GG type DA.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

VERY SHORT REVIEW:
IMHO M100 doesn't cut it (Pun was intended) with a PC or GG type DA.

Thanks for chiming in Merlin...

I'll add that we used M100 on the 1963 Impala this last weekend and for most of the guys in my class it was the first time they wetsanded and the first time they used rotary buffers with wool cutting pads and they all liked the M100.

Wait till I get the process and after shots posted...

:xyxthumbs:

 

[DaC]

Very nice info guys... thank you very much for it...
I just placed this weekend my order for the M101.

Oh boy... I wish I could wetsand and use a Rotary right....

 

[Mike Moore]

I'll add that we used M100 on the 1963 Impala this last weekend and for most of the guys in my class it was the first time they wetsanded and the first time they used rotary buffers with wool cutting pads and they all liked the M100.

Wait till I get the process and after shots posted...

:xyxthumbs:

Looking forward to it...
Sadly, I still haven't gotten around to using M100 with a rotary and wool.
Hopefully very soon.

 

[Tato]

---Topic From some time ago---

However, I would like to re-open this discussion. What's the actual 'recommendation' regarding M100 on a DA?

Why I'm asking it: Meguiars DA Microfiber Correction System 5 Inch Starter Kit, paint correction kit, dual action polishing kit

If you buy a Meguiar's 5' microfiber kit you receive (FOR FREE!) 16oz of M100 compound.

So, should I deduce it's nowadays considered a good option to use with a DA and a MF pad?

Please, I need any information regarding this, I'm almost ordering the kit or separated MF pads. If M100 'sample' worth it, I'll grab the kit.

Thank you very much in advance,

Kind Regards.

 

[Mike Moore]

M100 works good with a DA and 5" mf discs.
IMHO M101 "cuts" better but M100 works good.

It looks like a good kit.
Lots of stuff you need without a bunch of stuff you don't need.

M101 dusts more than M100.
I use M100 with a couple of drops of D300 to eliminate dusting.

BTW - I'll be sure and PM you with my address so you can send me the apron. (GRIN)

 

[Tato]

Thank you for such info. I'll buy the kit and try to play with M100 myself. This was helpful because now I know it will have some use, I only have a DA, no rotary.

Can M100 be a good substitute for M105? I have M105 in cart (only 8oz) because I've run out of it but I don't want to 're-stock it'.

If 16oz M100 works as good as M105 (I already know and use), I will not re-order M105, as my final wish is save money in the long run to put my hands in M101 (very expensive for me nowadays). But for that, I want to get rid of M105 forever (love but hate it)... lol!

I haven't realized the Free Apron until you say, that's a great offer. I need one but every time I put it in the cart I remove in the end and change for some ~$15 (same value) product... Living on a budget.

Now, no excuse for the apron!

Thank you again,

Kind Regards.

 

[Mike Moore]

Thank you for such info. I'll buy the kit and try to play with M100 myself.
This was helpful because now I know it will have some use, I only have a DA, no rotary.

Can M100 be a good substitute for M105?
I have M105 in cart (only 8oz) because I've run out of it but I don't want to 're-stock it'.

If 16oz M100 works as good as M105 (I already know and use), I will not re-order M105,
as my final wish is save money in the long run to put my hands in M101 (very expensive for me nowadays).
But for that, I want to get rid of M105 forever (love but hate it)... lol!

I haven't realized the Free Apron until you say, that's a great offer. I need one but every time I put it in the cart
I remove it in the end and change for some ~$15 (same value) product... Living on a budget.

Now, no excuse for the apron!

I just did a full sized Chebby PU truck yesterday with a DA, Megs MF discs and M100.

Since M100 and M101 have both been released I have not and do not purchase M105.
I had the same (love but hate) relationship with M105. M105 is no longer on my shelf!
(Save your money)

Yes, M101 is expensive. I have heard there are some folks selling 160z bottles of M101.
If it were me I'd bite the bullet and get the Megs MF kit. Have you used used MF disc & a DA?
You'll like the 5" backing plate with 5" mf discs. I use the 5" BP with Lake Country 5.5" flat pads.

It sounds like you have not used MF discs with a DA. It is such and improvement. You'll love it!!!
Did I mention I did the entire Chebby PU truck with a DA, two Megs MF cutting discs and M100?

NOTE: After I did the truck I noticed I had a good black shirt on. I did not have a drop on the shirt.

As an added bonus...If you don't want the Megs apron...PM me & sell it to me. That'll reduce your cost.
M100/M101/D300 does not splatter like M105. No really, you won't need the apron like you did with M105.

Do you have compressed air to clean the Megs MF disc after each panel? If not you'll need a Safe Scrub Pad
Use the Scrub pad dry to do "on-the-fly" mf disc cleaning between each panel to keep the mf disc clean & fluffy.

And that's pretty much it. To start prime the pad (make thin lines on the disc). It's easy with the self cleaning nozzle.
Add a couple of pea sized drops of product. Polish the paint, clean the pad (with comp air or the bug sponge) and repeat.

 

[Tato]

Dear, no words to say thank you!

I've ordered the kit, together with some other 'goodies' and some extra MF pads. Can't wait to try.

Never used MF pad. I've started with 6.5 CCS pads (large and thick), using a Megs G220v2. Although it's not the best recommendation, believe me: when it's all you have, practice for the best technique makes you get high correction rate with this setup. Further I've ordered smaller and thinner pads, it turned out really easy after coming from the '6.5' thick school'. That's why nowadays I'm not against larger pads for free spinning DA, however I can guarantee one will be happier with smaller/thinner ones.

Your feedback regarding M100 makes me confident I'll have great versatility on this kit. As a bonus, I've grabbed 16oz Uber Compound for testing purposes. If Meg's offered 16oz (or even 8oz) M101 I would have grabbed it.

The final purpose is to order a larger bottle, but I never like to order the big bottle at first (learned it the worst way), as I HATE having stock and spare what I don't use. Maybe I would fall in love with 32oz M101, but the minimum risk of not liking it (for my taste) keeps me from ordering such quantity at first.

About the apron ! I believe the best use I'll have for it is to carry bottle and pad brush/scrub around while polishing. Also, if you note, I'm brazilian, not sure you're supposed to order an apron 'internationally!' lol.

Also, thank you for giving directions, although I always do work clean, it's never too much to hear about pad priming and cleaning. Like while I was talking to Andre@AG, regarding an aggressive approach, he told me: 'always try the less aggressive first'. Hmm, I know that!, however, I was not considering it at that moment.

As a beginner, I have a lot to learn and the basics lessons are always welcome. Thank you very much!

Kind Regards.

 

[Mike Moore]

Enjoy!

 

[rcity]

I know this is a really old thread from when m100/101 first came out, pretty sure before the newest pads came out but wanted to share my experience with m100 from last week using only a pc 7424xp. m100 matched/paired with the meguiars 5" inch maroon/burgandy pad on speed 5 to 6 will completely cut through any and all scratches in paint. 3 passes max, looks lsp ready but I still follow it up with my preferred aio product on megs 5" inch black finishing pad at speed 5/3 passes. I put three dots on the pad and spread it all over the section I am about to polish at speed three, then came back at speed 6/slow hand speed.

It has more cut than fg400, less than 101 and has very long working time and buffs right off like fg400 (easier) as long as you finish it down right. There is powdering but I clean it up with compressed air and a soft paint brush then follow up with a 2 towels, one dipped in d114 dollution and another dry one to buff off. hope this helps and love the write ups you guys did