How to deal the the ignorance?

It seems to me the customers you mentioned had completely unrealistic and irrational expectation of your work. It happens. No matter what you do, and how you explain things to them you will run into them when you offer ANY sort of budget minded service, no matter how many high end services you offer.

It is simply one of the circumstances you run into when doing a service based business. Deal with it the best you can, always try and make your customers happy within reason, then let it out of your mind.
 
For example the first page or two could be the car wash and detailing packages. The next page could be your glass restorative service (with before and after of heavy water spot removal) with a price for that specific add on. There could be other pages for paint decon and trim restoration, etc.

You wouldn't even need to be in front of the vehicle to do this (in some cases you just can't tell due to how dirty/neglected the vehicle is anyway). You would just go through the menu together with your customer. Each page would be a "yes/no" equation depending on if the vehicle needs it and if the customer wants to remedy that specific problem.

I like this idea. Have a card with your wash descriptions on one side, detailing on the other side. Under each, have your add-on services with descriptions and yes/no boxes for each customer to check off as you explain them in your own words. They initial the final line for their consent to wash/detail their car in accordance with their choices. Unsatisfied after the job? Just have them recheck the right box and you'll be more than happy to take care of it for them.
 
First off, I think the way you explain it in your first 5 min..... relative to the service you provide at the center.... is good. You may want to tweak what you say as you learn some of the atypical and unrealistic expectations from some of your customers, but don't make drastic changes if this type of reaction is atypical.

One suggestion, mention that your washes are just that, washes. The service does not "correct", and typically additional areas owners need to consider as their vehicle ages will be seen after a wash, and you can help them with those areas they are most sensitive and want corrected. At that point, if they get it, you have set the stage for them to answer their own complaints before they are ever voiced to you, and possibly change some of them into more constructive conversations for higher-end services.

Also, I think rusty has a point and I will word it differently. You are getting "customers" through this service. Converting some of them to clients may be your aim. In some cases, you may want to be that forward with some customers and let them know why you provide basic wash services as an initial win-win situation.

As to complaints, if these types of reactions are less than 2% of your volume, then 98% of the time your service model is working. It's up to you to determine if this is acceptable for your business. Also, I think a full and large menu may be overkill for your customer-base. Menus should be for your clients that have the time and willingness to review such a thing.

Best of luck to you!
 
You just have to explain it properly.

Madam, I can make sure that the tree sap all over your car is absolutely clean. Why, you could eat off of that tree sap now.

Oh! You wanted the tree sap removed? Sorry, it cannot be washed off. We have to use a special process to grind it off of your car's painted surface. And that will cost.......
 
From a different perspective entirely, I also have to agree that it is worth considering how much you 'need' the low end work. I get exactly the same from a chemical side - the more I bring myself towards the end users, the more often I get grief because individuals have no idea of what to expect, no idea of the chemistry, no idea of how products are developed (etc.). It is a big problem and can not only end up with potential customers being less than satisfied but it can also end up with a lot of work being done for little or no return. Obviously there are differences but I do feel the principle remains. You need to decide where your priorities lie and stick with it. If the 'idiots' present a problem, you may well be stuck accepting that they will always be idiots so you put up with them or decline to do that sort of work.

As others have said, you can try to educate but, again, I can tell you for fact that some people are simply not capable of being educated. They will have fixed views which you cannot change because they have no understanding and no ability to think logically. Their only real outlet is to shout and complain and call you an idiot.

Tough game. Best of luck!
 
One thing I should also touch on with many years of good, professional customer service, you will ALWAYS have people that are going to be unhappy from either ignorance or a something-for-nothing attitude. You could hold a 2-semester college course with textbooks, PowerPoint presentations, labs, and open book tests yet there will be that small percentage that will not know what to expect from your services. The latter will never be pleased due to their nature. Their deserving bar will always be a foot above what you're humanly capable of. Pushing your buttons will be the only thing on their mind. Keep it short and professional and send them on their way so you don't lose any more sleep. I've witnessed many coworkers (from previous employers) get in these matches with angry customers, going round-for-round like lunatics. Makes both parties and the company look trashy. Keep the right attitude, don't take it personal, and brush them off. Like someone had already mentioned, I hope these types are only a small fraction of your customers so you'll just have to accept it. You are getting repeat customers so you're doing SOMETHING right. Good luck, man!
 
You won't win with any sort of explanation.

You need a lackey to yell at.

"Why aren't these customers wheels clean"

They then mumble something in a foreign language...

"Sorry sir, its hard to find good help these days"
 
It sounds like you don't want (or don't have time) to spend too long doing a walk around with each customer; and, you want to prevent customers from having unrealistic expectations. Here is my idea for how I would probably deal with this.

Create a detailing menu that is very pic heavy. Walk your customers through the process of a typical wash/wax (or whatever your hot seller is) and then have "the extras" priced out accordingly as add-ons and show the before and afters to justify the extra services.

For example the first page or two could be the car wash and detailing packages. The next page could be your glass restorative service (with before and after of heavy water spot removal) with a price for that specific add on. There could be other pages for paint decon and trim restoration, etc.

You wouldn't even need to be in front of the vehicle to do this (in some cases you just can't tell due to how dirty/neglected the vehicle is anyway). You would just go through the menu together with your customer. Each page would be a "yes/no" equation depending on if the vehicle needs it and if the customer wants to remedy that specific problem.

In framing your services from the perspective of providing a solution for a customer's specific problem it might reduce the amount of misconceptions and align their expectations appropriately. Also, I think the pictures would help people understand what can and can't be taken care of with a simple car wash vs a full restorative detailing service. Having them see these differences up front in the form of pictures (as opposed to trying to explain it to people) would allow you to quickly make sure you are taking care of the customer's pre-existing needs and concerns. Heck, it might even help you sell more add-ons. In fact, the more I think about this I'm going to do the same thing for my business!

Best of luck!

First, I apoligize guys if I missed something here, I started reading, clicked multiple replies to address and then hit on this one. THIS is dead on the point!

To the OP, I understand you are working on volume, got it. But if you're doing volume you need to make yourself a checklist and use it with every car that comes in. :xyxthumbs:
When I did dealer transfers I'd spend 15 minutes going over every square inch and make them sign off on it before the car left the lot, then give a copy of it to the dealer on the other end when I got there.

It is much better to under promise and over perform than give them what (YOU KNOW) they are paying for and have them feel you under performed. Unhappy customers will blab to 100 different people about how they got ripped off where a happy customer may not tell anyone, but that is far better than 100 people hearing what a crook you are.


Nick is dead on with hitting the problem areas! You mentioned making a new "menu".
This is the time to make a menue that spells out your services on one side and do your 'upsale' items say in the middle, then on the right side put a column for 'typical problems'.


Take photos of before and after for everything that you KNOW you are prepared to, and have the equipment to FIX.

If you cannot fix it then and there, put it in the cannot fix list.
Your upsell list should show what happens if they elect to pay for the services.
  • Swirls a plenty - PRESTO No More Swirls
  • Black and nasty exhaust with dull stainless - PRESTO Shines Like New
  • Waterspots - PRESTO Glass so slick bugs won't stick to it
  • Dirty nasty carpet - PRESTO Clean as new
  • Wheels with caked on crud in the barrel's - PRESTO Clean front and back (Remember to show the difference in a photo of a washed tire/wheel with some shine sprayed on it, and a DETAILED wheel.)
Remember, they don't know the difference!
If you can fix it, show them you can. If they don't want to pay you for your time to do so, CHECK THE LIST.

As for the stuff that you can't fix.
Take photos of everything you've ever seen that "don't buff out".
  • Road Rash
  • Wheel Damage
  • Cracked lower air dams
  • Foggy window tint
  • Loose or missing trim
  • Cracked glass
  • Clear coat failure
  • Damaged or missing interior pieces, etc.
When walking them through what they (think they) want make sure to point out possible problem areas on your menu. Tell them UP FRONT that if these problems exist you can either 'fix' them (based on your before and after shots) or they cannot be fixed (based on your photos of known unfixable problems).

Make a check list like going to a sushi place where you check of what you want. Let them go over it while you are explaining it and pointing it out on your wall menu.

There is simply no reason for an owner to expect you to "repair" a car when they didn't pay for that repair. Note I said "repair" as in the case of chrome pitting and flaking off there is nothing you can do, short of installing new wheels.

It seems like the most of it is communication with the customers. They want something in-and-out quick and figure it's better than them doing it on their own. Thing is, and you've picked up on it, is when you say "Wash and Wax" it puts a picture in their mind of something that just isn't possible with a quick once over. Taking the extra 5 minutes will likely reward you the benefit of happy customers (or at least not complaints) and a higher average sale as well. ;)
 
Good service outlets walk the car before a customer commits to anything. It's so the service people can point out all the stuff they can't or won't fix...I'd start doing that...
 
Lots of good comments guys.

After the "welcome to xxxx", Literally my speech goes like this (standing in from of my menu banner)

First package is the basic package, what you receive is a waterless wash & wax by hand which removes the loose dirt, and we clean your rims & tires. The type of wax used is a spray wax and can last 2-4 weeks depending on paint condition and how much rain you see.

The second package includes the first and adds in..........
The third package includes the 2 above and adds in.....
etc etc etc

I cover my menu until the end or until they blurt in with what they want.

I think I'm going to split my menu into a Wash Menu and Detail Menu. Then naybe I can say something like " Are you interested in something fast & affordable like a car wash? , or something more in depth and specialized like a detail?" and them cover the correct side of the menu.

As much as I'd like to give up my lower end business, they are still worth it to keep. I upsell from these regularly. I just need to take my lumps better. I just get so riled up from these type of people sometimes I fear it jades me for other customers.

On the back of my printed menu I also have a FAQ. I think i'm going to modify it a little, and hand it to every customer who drops off their car and request the read the FAQ. Not everyone's gonna read it, but maybe it'll help.
 
OP, I feel sorry for you for sure and its the nature of the business I guess and its too bad honestly, people don't get it and never will. Keep pluggin' away,don't give up!

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/ Dang. Well said Tony.

Thanks Mike. :)

Lots of good comments guys.

After the "welcome to xxxx", Literally my speech goes like this (standing in from of my menu banner)

First package is the basic package, .....
The second package includes the first and adds in..........
The third package includes the 2 above and adds in.....
etc etc etc

I cover my menu until the end or until they blurt in with what they want.

I think I'm going to split my menu into a Wash Menu and Detail Menu. Then naybe I can say something like " Are you interested in something fast & affordable like a car wash? , or something more in depth and specialized like a detail?" and them cover the correct side of the menu.

I fear this is where you lose them, right at the beginning. I take it they are either dropping off their car while they run inside for a few minutes OR waiting in hopes they can get out of there ASAP.

In their minds, as long as it's done when they come back, THAT IS THE JOB THEY WANT!

Maybe start like:
U: "What would you like us do today?"
Q: "I need my car washed."
U: "So... A basic 10 minute wash, quick wipe with spray wax. Would you like to wait on that?"
Q: "No I have some shopping to do."
U: "Yes mam, If you'll step outside with me and look at your car right quick."

NOW is when you tell them what a QUICK 10 minute wash doesn't do. Not later, NOW!
This is when you look at the problem areas and point them out. Let them know that you'll be more than happy to address these areas, after all, this is your specialty. ;)

U: "Yes mam, for just a few more dollars we'll clean those spots in your carpet, Oh and shine your inner fenders, plus we'll clean your wheels by hand, scrub and treat all your rubber and vinyl.... Do you see how the bumper is all faded out? We can fix that too!"

Perhaps by NOT giving them every option you have... you'll save time. Time you can use to SELL them the options they never knew they needed. ;)

And BTW, I'm a big, HUGE I mean H-U-G-E fan of "You can't fix stupid!" :props:
 
I like this topic and beleive we can all learn from it. Some really good pointers too. I think what you can do is try out some of these suggestions prior to changing your menu/signage. Try out a few ways of talking to the customer and let that allow you to change your singage to be most effective.

One thing you can do with the suggestion of having a description w/ before & after photos, is shrink it down to a pamphlet to hand the customer w/ their receipt. That way they can read through it while waiting for their car, and it can educate them as well as upsell them. This doesn't have to be given to every customer, just ones who you get a "vibe" from that could be on the fence for an upsell.

I remember years ago, before I really knew anything about detailing, I took my car to the local car wash. They tried to upsell the mini-detail w/ the hand applied wax. I declined, but while I was waiting they pulled me aside to show me my car while it was being dried. On a 1 sq. ft. piece of my trunk the guy showed me that if I had my paint clayed, I could really see a difference. He had me feel the paint side-by-side, and I could see and feel the difference. At the time, I didn't have the spare time to wait for them to do the whole car, but it stuck in my mind and the next time I came, I made time to have them do the whole job.

Sometimes a simple 50/50 picture or a brief demo can do more than going over your menu. If time permits, you could show the customer another car that is being detailed and have them see the difference.
 
I just need to take my lumps better. I just get so riled up from these type of people sometimes I fear it jades me for other customers.

Get one of those dolls that you can rip their arms, legs and head from the torso.... have some fun with them for a change. Just don't let them see you sweat.

Regards,

Mark
 
Worked at a full service Car Wash for 6 years thru high school and college and there's always the guy who thinks that $12.99 will get him back to show room clean after months of neglect. The discounts on service seemed very generous. He will probably try to pull to same stuff on someone else and after a bunch of "No" answers he get it.
 
Guess those guys complaining would NEVER understand the full CarPro treatment huh? :laughing:

Been looking around on the site(s) both CarPro and AG; found a few things one of which there is no dealer within 175 miles of me listed, the other is I'm trying to figure out who I can sell a couple full Cquartz Ceramic Paint Protection Kit kits to! :D

Boy oh BOY do I wanna' do a few cars with that kit just for snitz-n-giggles. ;)
 
It sounds like you don't want (or don't have time) to spend too long doing a walk around with each customer; and, you want to prevent customers from having unrealistic expectations. Here is my idea for how I would probably deal with this.

Create a detailing menu that is very pic heavy. Walk your customers through the process of a typical wash/wax (or whatever your hot seller is) and then have "the extras" priced out accordingly as add-ons and show the before and afters to justify the extra services.

For example the first page or two could be the car wash and detailing packages. The next page could be your glass restorative service (with before and after of heavy water spot removal) with a price for that specific add on. There could be other pages for paint decon and trim restoration, etc.

You wouldn't even need to be in front of the vehicle to do this (in some cases you just can't tell due to how dirty/neglected the vehicle is anyway). You would just go through the menu together with your customer. Each page would be a "yes/no" equation depending on if the vehicle needs it and if the customer wants to remedy that specific problem.

In framing your services from the perspective of providing a solution for a customer's specific problem it might reduce the amount of misconceptions and align their expectations appropriately. Also, I think the pictures would help people understand what can and can't be taken care of with a simple car wash vs a full restorative detailing service. Having them see these differences up front in the form of pictures (as opposed to trying to explain it to people) would allow you to quickly make sure you are taking care of the customer's pre-existing needs and concerns. Heck, it might even help you sell more add-ons. In fact, the more I think about this I'm going to do the same thing for my business!

Best of luck!:dblthumb2:

:iagree: I'm going to make a binder of pics & pricing plus information why the additional charges! Good idea!!

I'm also working on putting pics on my website what is "Average Condition" because I've had clients tell me they want the average condition price, and when I explain their car is below average and why, they give me a look like I'm crazy. As mentioned, you have those people that want a full detail at a basic wash price, they want you to turn their turd into a diamond!

We try to educate the client, however some don't care and they just want it done (this is my red flag maker that when they come to pick up their vehicle, they may say "Why didn't you...?" "I thought...!"). I try to cover my butt by having on my estimate sheet a section "Recommended Services" and have them sign off they don't want these services! I know sometimes we don't always see something under the dirt, so I do what I've had mechanics do with me when they find some other issue - If I'm at their shop and I don't want that service, they have me sign off declined, or if I'm not there they call me and document "Declined by customer time & date"! I know this may not stop all complainer's, but it may help reduce the number. It shows you are professional and on the ball! It sad we live in a world when "some people" want something for nothing!!!!

Great topic by the way! Alot of good information!! :dblthumb2:
 
And BTW, I'm a big, HUGE I mean H-U-G-E fan of "You can't fix stupid!" :props:

:iagree:
Among other things I learned from my father..........

Ignorance is ..... You know you/they don't know but want to do something about it.

Stupid is............ You know you/they don't know but don't care.

There will always be someone out there ready and willing to rip you off; watch your a##.

Many excellent ideas.
 
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