Flex3401vrg or Rupes Bigfoot?

Why doesn't anybody bring up a rotary with the Dynabrade attachment in these discussions?
1. The Dynabrade has a 3/4" orbit--even larger than the Rupes
2. The Dynabrade is forced rotation like the Flex
3. It can be used as a rotary too, lending more versatility
4. It's cheaper!! $100 for the attachment plus the cost of your choice of rotary.
 
I am still not comfortable with the rotary yet but thanks for the insight. I will look into it.

I practiced first on a rotary with my mentor but since he moved, I've been using the DA polishers. I just can't trust myself yet without burning the paint. Looks like I will need to pick up some more test panels from the junker.
 
I have been contemplating this for a while myself, and I finally ordered the 3401 package with HT pads last night. I think either polisher would be a great choice, but I decided to go with the forced rotation to complement my PC.

Since the package includes two backing plates, I can use both 5.5 and 6.5 inch pads that I already have. If I do good with those and like the polisher I may invest in the backing plate kit and hybrid pads in the future, but not having to buy an additional backing plate right now and lower cost helped me to choose the Flex.

In the unlikely event that I don't want to keep the Flex, I'm sure I can sell everything for what I paid due to the great sale price right now.

Hope this post wasn't too long, and hope it helps your decision.
 
I am still not comfortable with the rotary yet but thanks for the insight. I will look into it.

I practiced first on a rotary with my mentor but since he moved, I've been using the DA polishers. I just can't trust myself yet without burning the paint. Looks like I will need to pick up some more test panels from the junker.
Sorry I wasn't clear enough in my post. The Dynabrade attachment turns a rotary into a random orbital with a huge stroke, like the Rupes. Completely safe, and completely powerful leading to fast correction. Then you can flick a switch and turn it into a forced rotation rotary for after your skills and confidence grow. Many good threads on the net about them (especially Kevin Brown's article).
 
Recently, I learned a tip from Bunky(Al) that's REALLY helped me with the 3401; don't try to whip the polisher around, take your time and let the polisher move on its own, while just guiding it. Great advice.
Have you noticed that you can very slightly tilt the handle up or down to guide it left and right?
 
Thank you all for your feedback. I see why I'm having so much trouble deciding.
 
Have you noticed that you can very slightly tilt the handle up or down to guide it left and right?

That reminds me of the days when I worked in a grocery store (Piggly Wiggly) while in high school. We had to buff the floors with this HUGE buffer. The newbee was initiated by not receiving operating instructions during their first attempt to buff the open stock room prior to buffing the isles in the store. When engaging the buffer, a slight pull or push on the handle would direct the buffer. The neophytes would automatically lift the handle trying to stop the buffer, which in turn caused it to go the opposite direction at Mach speed! Everyone would laugh watching the expression of the newbee trying to win the battle of the buffer. Obviously they would lose. My first experience was actually in one of the isles of the store. A lady tried to get her cart over the cord and couldn't. Trying to be helpful, I grabbed the buffer. Not knowing the proper driving technique, I did what all newbies would do to try and maneuver the buffer the opposite direction; I pulled up on the handle with brute strength. When I did, the buffer traveled at what seemed like 160 MPH into a Lipton Tea display which consisted of 5-stacked parsons tables (I know I'm showing my age- many youngsters have no idea what a parsons table is). There was a loud crash which resulted in a pile of broken jars of Lipton tea that was about three feet tall.

Thank goodness the Flex is much easier to operate than a 70's floor buffer! To give you an idea of the time frame in which this happened, minimum wage was $2.35/hour!
 
I unfortunately started with a baby polisher and now I'm in need of something that really works. I was all set to pick up the Flex3401 when Rupes Bigfoot hit the scene. Is Rupes now the go to polisher using the washer trick to get better rotation? or is the Flex3401 still king? I have 2 days and 18 hours to get this figured out before the sale is over. Thank you for any thoughts you may be able to provide.

Haz

Hi Haz:

Well, I had an entire post ready to go, pictures included. But, when I was trying to load the last photo, I clicked in the wrong spot and closed the window. I have to go to a customer site, so I don't have time to recreate the post at the moment.

Since you still have time, I'll get it redone tonight.

BTW, I have the Flex 3401 (decision made after Rupes was available, but before any reviews were posted).

Don't regret that decision and haven't even thought of changing.

Jim
 
Hi Haz:

Well, I had an entire post ready to go, pictures included. But, when I was trying to load the last photo, I clicked in the wrong spot and closed the window. I have to go to a customer site, so I don't have time to recreate the post at the moment.

Since you still have time, I'll get it redone tonight.

BTW, I have the Flex 3401 (decision made after Rupes was available, but before any reviews were posted).

Don't regret that decision and haven't even thought of changing.

Jim
Thank you. I get the gest of what you're going to post but am very interested in what led up to the confirmation in the flex. I'm probably the world's worst at typing out a lengthy post then no hitting the submit button. Then I post a one sentence answer. I appreciate your time and efforts on this matter.
 
Has anyone heard of something new coming down the pike in the near future that I should perhaps hold off pulling the trigger now? I truly don't want to purchase any more polishers in my lifetime which isn't going to be all that long. I'm no spring chicken and have some hard miles from the type of work from which I retired. Still I'm ready to move away from the PC and wish I hadn't purchased it but I got my feet wet and it will work nicely with a 3" backing plate since I can one hand it easily enough.
 
Has anyone heard of something new coming down the pike in the near future that I should perhaps hold off pulling the trigger now? I truly don't want to purchase any more polishers in my lifetime which isn't going to be all that long. I'm no spring chicken and have some hard miles from the type of work from which I retired. Still I'm ready to move away from the PC and wish I hadn't purchased it but I got my feet wet and it will work nicely with a 3" backing plate since I can one hand it easily enough.

Doubt anything new will come out. If something new would be coming, there would be talk about it for a few years before it came (much like the Rupes).
 
I've always wondered if they might come out with a Flex 3401 part 2, but I doubt anytime in the near future.
 
Sorry that I closed the first post before getting it on the forum.

Back in February, I faced the same decision as you.

My wife had gotten her old Pathfinder rear-ended, and after looking at how minor the damage was on her car, and the fact that the 2011 Xterra that hit her was a total loss, she quickly decided that she didn't want a new vehicle, she wanted us to fix the one she had. At 24 years old, and almost 150,000 miles on the clock, it was tired. But, I agreed to try to get it fixed up for her, and started to look around. And, don't think I was being cheap. I've tried to replace that truck on numerous occasions over the years, and she just wanted to keep it. I even got a BMW X5, fully assuming that once she drove it, I'd have to go get another car. Didn't happen.

As I was doing my research, I found Autogeek, and spent a few weeks just studying all the information on this site. For the prior 30 years, I'd been perfectly happy with my 10" orbital polisher, and a supply of Liquid Glass.

Discovered 3 kinds of polishers, the DAs, the Flex forced rotation DA (3401), and the rotaries. The Rupes was available, but there weren't any reviews yet of that product.

I recognized what is referred to around here as "the flavor of the month" mentality, so I went back several years to see what had happened as products were announced, and the reviews began. Seemed like everyone loves a new product, and lots of new users buy it, and they are posting how wonderful it is, because that's what they have experience with. None of the issues get posted until something else comes along. When the Rupes was announced, suddenly there were lots of issues with the reverse orbit, with the units jumping by themselves, etc.

I discovered many people had bought the Porter Cable, the Griot, the Meguiar, and the "lowly" Harbor Freight units. Many of those posters wished they had stepped up to the Flex 3401, but weren't going to spend any more money.

I also read as people (not pros) expressed fear at the rotary polishers.

Personally, I don't like to have to keep re-buying the same technology again and again. I, like you, wanted one machine that I would be satisfied with for a long time.

Being a little analytical (actually, it's my career), I decided not to look at the decision as Door #1, Door #2, Door #3. If I compared two at a time, I could reach a logical decision.

I also recognized that I could probably accomplish any task with any of the 3 alternatives, it was just a question of how long it would take. I don't have any health issues that would preclude any of the options.

First comparison was DA to the Flex Orbital Polisher (DA with forced rotation). I quickly decided that if I purchased a standard DA, that I would almost immediately want to graduate to the Flex. The forced rotation was a big issue in my mind. It would keep going through anything, where the DAs would just "jiggle" when the task got a little harder. Advantage Flex 3401.

Second comparison was the Flex 3401 to either the Flex PE14-2-150 or the Makita 9227C. Since I wasn't going to do this on a professional level, I decided that my risks were lower with the Flex DA. I was somewhat afraid of burning the paint as well. Advantage Flex 3401.

Then, I started reading about the new Rupes unit. I concluded that the Rupes was another member of the DA family, without the forced rotation that helped me to decide on the Flex in the first place. Since there weren't any reviews yet, I could only judge based on the specifications of the unit. Decision over.

Purchased the Flex 3401, and started on my work car, which is a 2008 PT Cruiser in "cool vanilla". Wasn't all that concerned if I made an error. But, it was easy to use the Flex, and I didn't make any errors. The only issue I found was that since I had bought the kit with 6.5" CCS pads, there were spots that weren't easy to polish. But, the car looked beautiful when I was done polishing. Covered it with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant.

One issue I worried about was the comments that the Flex seemed to orbit in reverse. Watched myself polish by hand, and sure enough, I was polishing counter-clockwise and always had. Conclusion from this was that people got used to the orbit of the DAs, and this felt backwards to them. Having never used one, the Flex seemed like it worked like I did. I liked that idea.

We got the Pathfinder back from the shop, and I started to work on it. Fresh paint, as opposed to the thin, hard paint of the PT Cruiser. Again, no issues. I used Menzerna SI1500, followed by SF4500, and the truck looks magnificent from every angle, except for a few trim pieces that were still on backorder. They were so dried out from 24 years in the desert that they just broke apart when I tried to remove them.

So, happy with my purchase, and no desire to switch to anything else.

Watched the reviews of the Rupes. First reviews were glowing. BTW, as much as I learned from Mike Phillips, I mostly disregarded his product reviews. Why? Because his job is to present every product in favorable terms. They want to sell all of the products, so don't expect a slam on anything they carry. But, as time went by, he opened up a little, and reading between the lines I can tell that he likes the Flex 3401 just a little more than everything else.

As time has gone on, the reviews, while positive, haven't retained their early, be all end all flavor.

People had trouble on side panels, curved panels, etc. with the unit going into "jiggle" mode just like the other DAs. Someone came up with the "washer mod" to keep the Rupes spinning when it wanted to stop. Rupes says that negates the built in design of their product.

Here's some photos. I wasn't experienced enough at the beginning to take before and after shots.

First, the PT Cruiser practice vehicle

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In addition to the SI1500, and the SF4500, I did part of the vehicle with FG1000, to see the results of using a compound. Still, no problems anywhere.

Here's the Pathfinder before it's restoration

Bumper already replaced, but rear of back quarter panel crunched

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Another view - key scratches, chemical spill on hood, and deep burns in the fender from a battery blowing up years ago.

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After lots of re-paint, I used the SI1500 followed by the SF4500. Then, a coat of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant.

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BTW, I did break down and buy a rotary. It's a $40 special from Harbor Freight. That's for doing things like marble countertops, sinks, showers, etc. Won't risk my 3401 on those tasks, but figured that I could learn to use the rotary on some junk panels.

So, will I buy a Flex PE14-2-150 someday? Probably. Just to have it. Do I need it? No way I could justify that purchase based on need. I already have what I need.

I did add the Lake Country dual backing system, so that I could use smaller pads on the curves of the PT Cruiser. I got the 5" hybrid pads, as that's the wisdom of this forum. I like that setup a lot, and will use it when it's time for another pass on the PT Cruiser. I liked the hybrid pads so much, that I may also get the 6.5" version for the next round on the Pathfinder.

My wife got an old vehicle restored that she is once again proud to drive. She gets a lot of attention, and questions from people in parking lots about how such an old vehicle can look that good, as they are trying to make the same repair or replace decision.

Jim
 
Incredible post Jim. Very informative for a user starting out with the decision making on there next polisher.

I too love the 3401 and hybrids.

Thanks for putting this up. I enjoyed the read.

Mike
 
Thanks for coming back and taking the time to explain your logic for your purchase. It's strange how we can be quite logical when it comes to someone else with a dilemma but when it's our own it just seems a little more difficult. I like the shine you put on your vehicles. I'll see if I can figure out how to attach one with my wife's car. It's a little over a year old so I can't take much credit for how it looks other than keeping it clean, lightly polished a few areas, and mainly waxed. I think it orginally got PS21 when new then some Meguiars UQW maybe one bottle after washes. Then DG Aquawax spray while drying and finally a sample of Pinnacle Liquid Souveran. It probably weighs an extra 5 pounds from all the spray wax it's seen. It should open up bigger if you click on it. I had it in the shade so I couldn't get any pictures with good reflections. It's amazing what regular washing and some wax will do.
 
Thanks for putting this up. I enjoyed the read.
Mike

Thanks for the compliment. Glad you enjoyed it.

Did you pick a camera yet? I talked to Mike Phillips earlier this week, and I'm working on some detailed explanations about how cameras, forums, sites like flickr and photobucket really work in an effort to help everyone on the forum be more effective, spend less time, and avoid those uh-ohs where photos are supposed to be. Should be up over the weekend sometime.

Thanks for coming back and taking the time to explain your logic for your purchase.

I hope it helps you with your decision. It's not easy to sort through all the information here to draw your own conclusions.

I'll see if I can figure out how to attach one with my wife's car. It's a little over a year old so I can't take much credit for how it looks other than keeping it clean, lightly polished a few areas, and mainly waxed. I think it orginally got PS21 when new then some Meguiars UQW maybe one bottle after washes.

Looks good, but I'll bet you're looking for more "pop". That's hard on silver paint. White paint, too. You might want to consider a sealant before you put on wax. That's after you polish it again. Others on this forum are far more qualified than I to tell you which exact mix of products will give you the best shine.

If you want photos to appear in line in the posts you need to size them to 800 pixels wide before you reference them in a post.

BTW, PT Cruiser isn't exactly new. This happened to it on Tuesday night.

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Jim
 
Jim, I picked up a Nikon D3200 and a Nikon SB-700 speed light for it. Right now I just have the standard 18-55 kit lens with a hood on it but looking to pick up a lens or two down the road. Was thinking about the Nikon 55-300 zoom lens for extra long shots such as the Grand Canyon.

Anxiously waiting your thread you put up.
 
I'm just in the process of preparing my 95 Corvette in bright-aqua metallic for a tomorrows car show and use almost exclusively my Flex 3401. I have a DAS6 DA polisher as well, but most of the time it just collects dust except when i wanted to use microfibre disks for compounding. But now as i have a lot of smaller Purple Foamed wool pads i even use the Flex for this.

Will the Rupes DA correct faster than a DAS6 (or Meguiar's or GG)? Hell yes, the stroke is unbeatable, but to me it's not worth it to spend another (almost) 500,-- € here in germany for another DA polisher when i already have two DAs.

And yes, even if i had only the DAS6 polisher i would choose the Flex as a step up and not the Rupes.
 
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