One step correction

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Hey guys,

I am curious about something.

When people were talking about doing 1 step correction, I assumed (and I don't know why that is) they they were talking about AIO products.

Today I finally realized they were talking about a polish that is more agressive and is halfway to being a compound...

Ok, so now I need 1 more product in my arsenal and need to re-think a few things.

1. When you would use an AIO?

2. What would be a good 1 step correction product, especially if I work outdoors and sometimes in direct sunlight?


I have to finalize my packages this week so I will be removing cleaner wax for my basic correction package and putting in a 1 step correction. Toped with a sealant.

3. Would mixing M105 and M205 into 1 bottle to do this give good results or is that a really bad idea?
 
1) so many factors.. if the paint is soft enough to correct it down to a favorable result, if the customer is on a budget, if the paint only needs a light polish+seal, door jambs, etc..

2) soooo many factors, products, preferences

3) no bueno idea sir.. simple terms: 105 is for heavy cutting, 205 is little cut.. mixing together will be uneven cutting.. 105 leaves a haze, 205 is to refine that haze.. you need a 2 step for that.. although some have achieved LSP results with 105.. more of the experience detailers doe
 
I'm not a professional detailer, but I've give you my thoughts (take w/a grain of salt). The term "1 step correction" generally means polish. AIO's can be 1-step, but they add a little bit of paint cleaners and wax to the mix. I think using AIO's are for certain situations, not all. Reason being is that most All-In-Ones are not "aggressive" polishes, they are basically cleaner waxes--they have mild paint cleaners in them, they polish lightly and add a bit of protection.

1. I would only use a AIO if the paint on a vehicle is in relatively decent condition with light wear.

2. This is a little bit of a diff question. You could use a more "aggressive" polish as your single step or use an AIO. A good example of a 1-step more "aggressive" polish that's consumer friendly is Meguiar's Ultimate Compound (the "consumer" version of Meg105)--it's a polish-only though. If you're looking for an AIO, there are a number and some have a sister sealant:

Klasse's All In One Polish (part of the Klasse Twins with High Gloss Sealant Glaze)
Chemical Guys Blacklight (part of the CG twins with V7)
Duragloss 105 or 501 (depending on paint condition)
Optimum's Poli-Seal (you could top with Opti-Seal sealant)
Pinnacle's XMT 360

Oh, and a good investment might be some kind of portable cover/tent that covers the car. Polishing and/or waxing in direct sunlight can cause issues.

3. I personally wouldn't mix compounds, like ever. That's just me though.

Hopefully one of the pro's will get in here and give you some real advice, I'm only a hobbyist.:cool:
 
I'll use 205 with a heavy cutting foam pad with good results. A fine polish with a cutting pad will finish out better than a finishing pad and a heavy cutting polish. What about a yellow cutting pad and an AIO solution?
 
Most of my 1 steps I use MF pads and Menz FG400. For mixing compounds its fine nothing will happen I'll mix a little 105 with FG400 sometimes with great results.
 
Pureshine said:
Most of my 1 steps I use MF pads and Menz FG400. For mixing compounds its fine nothing will happen I'll mix a little 105 with FG400 sometimes with great results.
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Will this finsih nicely? It's hard to imagine
 
Calendyr said:
Hey guys,

I am curious about something.

When people were talking about doing 1 step correction, I assumed (and I don't know why that is) they they were talking about AIO products.

Today I finally realized they were talking about a polish that is more agressive and is halfway to being a compound...

Ok, so now I need 1 more product in my arsenal and need to re-think a few things.

1. When you would use an AIO?
I give my customers the AIO option because money is ALWAYS an issue (in this economy) but will Not do major correction, BUT MOST just want a shiny car with some protection.
2. What would be a good 1 step correction product, especially if I work outdoors and sometimes in direct sunlight?
I prefer megs one step, I have it but dont know the number, I want to say 156 but I could be wrong. I really try to get out of that sun stealing shade any where I can, also early morning and evening work.

I have to finalize my packages this week so I will be removing cleaner wax for my basic correction package and putting in a 1 step correction. Toped with a sealant.

3. Would mixing M105 and M205 into 1 bottle to do this give good results or is that a really bad idea?
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IMHO I would not mix 105/205. I spot compound with 105 then hit entire panel with 205, wipe down, seal.

I hope Ive helped.
 
Thanks guys.

I have Ultimate Compound in my arsenal but I use it mainly for hand polishing of places I cannot machine polish (like under the door handles). Problem is that you can't buy it in bulk, it only comes in a small bottle of about 16 onces. So I don't want to use something like that for my main 1 step product.

I could try M205 with a cutting pad. Only issue I can see with that technique is if I run into hard paint, I won't have any way to increase the cut since I will already be at the limit of what M205 can do.

I will look into D156, thanks!

Ya I guess the market for AIO would be cars in good condition that only needs a little boost. Can't see that market being too big. Either people take care of the car and it's in good shape or they don't. The only AIO I have used so far was Mother's cleaner wax and I was really unimpressed with the results. The swirls were very visible after the application even though I used a polishing pad and worked it like a polish with highspeed setting and slow armspeed.

I have a new HD AIO that I need to try, maybe it will do a better job.

But all that being said, I will keep the AIO in the menu, just in case. I'll just have to explain to people what the options are.

I am thinking of not using traditional packages like all you guys do. Instead I feel I should use the approach of Clean option + Correction Option + protection option. This way I can customize for the client and explain the advantages of each process and how it relates to their need. What do you think?
 
Calendyr said:
Hey guys,

I am curious about something.

When people were talking about doing 1 step correction, I assumed (and I don't know why that is) they they were talking about AIO products.
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Easy to get confused... I get that way pretty much every time I turn around...


One-Step Process = Using a Cleaner/Wax or AIO to clean, polish and protect the paint in one-step.


One-Step Correction = Using one product to correct and polish the paint before application of the LSP.
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Technically a one-step correction is a two step total process as you're going to do two things to the paint, correct and seal.

On my VIF form on page 2 I list three packages, which is a really good approach for most detailers, that is have a package for every customer's car and customer's needs but don't overwhelm them, basically the Good, Better, Best approach.

Anyway, on page two I show the three packages have 3 paint care steps and Package 2 is a two-step process where you're,

Step 1 - Correcting the paint
Step 2 - Sealing the paint


So in the bigger pictures, while we all talk about a one step correction product, there's still two steps in the process.

Here's a picture of page 2, look at the 4th line down under each package category.

Vehicle_Inspection_Form_002.jpg





Here's an example of Package 1

How to use a one-step cleaner/wax to maximize profits
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Here's an example of Package 2

New Menzerna FG 400 - One-Step Show Car Makeover
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Here's an example of Package 3

Christmas Detail - Ferrari P4 - Move over Rudolf
Ferrari_P4_Detailed_by_Mike_Phillips_009.jpg





If you don't have a copy of this form, get it, study it and then keep in mind, you can customize it for your business needs so edit out anything not needed.

It's very complete.


Mike Phillips VIF or Vehicle Inspection Form



:)
 
thank mike. i have the form but i did heavy modifications to it to make it bilingual and added my own packages.
 
If you have a lot of different pads then Meguiars Solo Cut & Polish Cream #86 is made for what you're talking about.
 
Just like anything detailing related, it is all dependent on the particular vehicle you are working on.

I use M205 as a one-step correction product all the time and have seen fantastic results. I also like Menzerna PF2500. I won't use a heavy cutting compound as a one-step unless the paint is rock hard (like audi or mercedes tend to be).

Some examples of one-steps... products and pad combos are always listed in the beginning.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...5-sti-paint-correction-quick-photo-shoot.html

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...k-e90-335i-alpine-white-paint-correction.html

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ion-22ple-application-my-dad-s-acura-tsx.html

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...you-want-2008-cobalt-ss-paint-correction.html

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ection-22ple-application-interior-detail.html
 
an awesome 1 step correction is Meguiars paint reconditioning cream. It's inbetween 105 and 205. if I need more, I go to 105.

after, I'll wax with Dura Gloss 105 then seal.
 
Disconnected said:
Detailers get $100 per hour, wow, makes my going to law school seem wasted.
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I think only the very well known, expert detailers like Mike Phillips, Renny Doyle, Larry Kosilla and Paul Dalton can charge that kind of rate. If I was to do it, I would get no business.
 
flat-top said:
an awesome 1 step correction is Meguiars paint reconditioning cream. It's inbetween 105 and 205. if I need more, I go to 105.

after, I'll wax with Dura Gloss 105 then seal.
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Yes that is the conclusion I came to. Seems like the 2 products that fits the best for one stop correction are Reconditionning creme and D300. Since I don't have an air compressor, I don't want to use MF pads. I tried using them and cleaning them with a brush but did not like the result at all. So for foam pads, Reconditionning Creme seems to be very good. Plus it contains sealant so you can skip the LSP too if you want. Makes for a very time saving product.

Meguiar's Asia claims that on a rotary buffer, it's possible to do a mini van in 20 minutes with that product. And the minivan they show is a used taxi cab that is in bad shape. Makes me want to use a rotary ;)
 
I don't consider d151 reconditioning a true 1 step polish. I use it as a AIO. I have had some luck with MF and d300 as a 1-step on some paint systems. On some paints (blacks) it leaves to much haze for my liking. M205 or Optimum polish coupled with white lc pads is probably what I use most for 1-steps.
 
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