How to remove Orange Peel using a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Here's the deal...

Correctly done, all you're going to remove is the hills or bumpy portions leaving the majority of the clear intact.

If I were going to do it I would use the Denim pads because it will be faster as they are more effective.

Stick with the best brand compounds and take your time.


Also, consider only doing the verticle panels since this is a truck and harder to look down on the hood. The SUN shines on the hood more and you need all the factory paint and UV protection inside the factory clear that you can get for the paint to last over the service life of the mechanicals.


Make sense?

See page 2 of my article,

Beginning Clearcoat Failure.... --> good info...


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Thanks mike!

Hey mike Ive come to conclusion you are an octopus.

No hear me out. There is no humanly way any one could keep up with all the thread questions and posts like you do with only two arms. And not only this thread but every other one out there!

Not to mention detail cars and post videos and hell even eat and breathe. Lol!.

I will say not only are you a master of multitasking and time management but you are hands down the best admin of a forum ive ever been part of.


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brondondolon said:
Thanks mike!

Hey mike Ive come to conclusion you are an octopus.

No hear me out. There is no humanly way any one could keep up with all the thread questions and posts like you do with only two arms. And not only this thread but every other one out there!

Not to mention detail cars and post videos and hell even eat and breathe. Lol!.

I will say not only are you a master of multitasking and time management but you are hands down the best admin of a forum ive ever been part of.


:xyxthumbs:
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That's funny but a very nice compliment. Thank you.

It helps to be a bit of a speed typist because I do a lot of other things behind the scenes that are more garage/detailing related.

I take pride in running a top notch forum. It's a lot of work or a lot of typing but I know what it's like to go to a forum for help that is NOT top notch and if I don't get even mediocre help I usually never go back.

So I use my own experience of what I don't like about other forums to make sure this forum is never anything like them. It takes more time but to me it's worth it and it's also a part of customer service here at Autogeek and Max the owner of Autogeek is very keen on all his employees offering top quality customer service.

Don't forget to share our forum with all your car buddies, that's called win/win business.


Thank you again for the kind words...



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brondondolon said:
Thanks mike!

Hey mike Ive come to conclusion you are an octopus.

No hear me out. There is no humanly way any one could keep up with all the thread questions and posts like you do with only two arms. And not only this thread but every other one out there!

Not to mention detail cars and post videos and hell even eat and breathe. Lol!.

I will say not only are you a master of multitasking and time management but you are hands down the best admin of a forum ive ever been part of.


:xyxthumbs:
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If one can ever join one of the Thursday night makeovers in the AGG here in Stuart, FL.and the camera is not rolling you would have the pleasure of seeing another side of Mike.He always retains his team leadership yet allows us to joke among ourselves.We always bring the paint to it`s maximum potential with the allotted time but have fun doing so.One thing I learned early on is when we put on one white microfiber glove to apply wax, sealant or coating(LSP) is no reference to Michael Jackson(who by the way I cooked for he and the rest of his family for a week on the Thriller tour in 1984 and Michael would not shake my hand even with the glove on...unusual person but great musical artist.)
A little off topic but some incite as to Mike`s somewhat playful side and always willing to listen to others opinions on polishing paint.
 
Yeah i wish i lived in FL just for all the classes and events autogeek hosts. Ive been to meguires thursday night open garage and it was not as personal as i thought it might be. To many ppl and not to much orginization at all. The only cool thing i thought was all the free full sized products. I mean they had about 5 tables full of products that you could test and have. But there wasnt much to learn for a new guy there. Chemical guys just opened a class too that i might attend soon as i get the money. Autogeek needs a location on the West coast even if its a little shop that is rented out and done every 6 mo.
 
By the way mike how many of those pads did you use to do the whole truck? Im about to order them but im not sure how many im going to need.
 
brondondolon said:
By the way mike how many of those pads did you use to do the whole truck? Im about to order them but Im not sure how many Im going to need.
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We only removed the orange peel off the hood.

If you read the write-up I share that the HOOD was repainted and has horrible orange peel and die back. The rest of the streetrod had some pretty decent Glasurit paint it's just coated with yellow overspray and filled with lots of swirls and scratches.

We addressed the orange peel, removed all of the overspray and removed all of the swirls and scratches.


I included the link to the full write-up for this project in the first post...


1949 Chevy 5-Window Pickup Extreme Makeover - Pictures & Videos


This write-up, (the one you're reading), is a spin-off of the original post just like the below two articles are spin-offs from the original...

A $4.00 Plastic Drop Cloth could have prevented this...

How to remove overspray paint using the Cyclo Polisher




If you're going to use Denim pads over an entire car to remove orange peel just like any buffing pad... more pads = better.

But I'd get 6 at a minimum.

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I will have to try the Bug Sponge for pad cleaning

Using the normal nylon pad brush takes too long

I used a much larger stiff plastic brush from Mother's with good results.

I suggest brushing with the "grain" of the denim. Brush from the middle out towards the edge...rotate 180 degrees and repeat. I believe this technique decreases damage to the edge if the pad.

Used four 5.3" and two 3" pads for the vertical panels on a Yukon.
Would have been nice to have twice that many as they do get progressively more difficult to clean.

I washed the pads using Dawn and a brush. They came out great.


Please, please...buy extra tape and use it. You must tape every body line and edge or you will get yourself in trouble. The 1/8" 3M Vinyl Tape (Blue) is very useful on raised body lines when using Denim.


I used M105 with good results. Of course it dusts...you are removing more clear than when compounding and it has to go somewhere.


I used my FLEX 3401 with the 5.3" and my old PC with the 3".
Technique is paramount when using direct drive machines. The FLEX will quickly "remind you" if the denim pad is not perfectly flat on the paint
 
Used Denim again this weekend with M100, M105 & FG400

#1 M100

#2 M105
Cuts faster than M100, but more dust and able to get fewer passes out of it

#3 FG400
Denim did not agree with FG
Didn't want to cut
Gummed up and stuck to the paint
 
Hi Mike, how much compound would I need for a car like 2000 accord coupe? It would be for the whole car. Also, do you think 6 pads would be good enough so I can clean them all together after each panel?
 
Are you asking about the CarPro Denim Pads for Orange Peel removal?
 
yeah, I got my car repainted and right now it has a bad case of orange peel all around. I was thinking of doing them next week since I got a bit more time
 
In my experience, with a full-sized SUV:

You will not be able to complete the job in one day, so 6 pads is more than enough

I would suggest picking up six of the 5.3" and a couple of the 4" or 3" depending on the size of the smaller sections on your car. I do not advise trying to use the 5.3" on any surface that you cannot keep the pad flat on...you will burn an edge if you try

Make sure you use a 5" backing plate

8oz of compound was enough for me. The Denim pads absorb almost zero product. Using too much product does not yield faster or better results, it just makes wiping off more difficult

You will need to clean the pad "on-the-fly" after each section pass. What worked for me was:

5 peas sized dots on the 5.3" pad

6 section passes

Clean the pad with a larger stiff nylon brush
The small pad cleaning brushes take too long
Brush from the center of the pad out. It seems to do less damage to the pad

I usually had to repeat this process three times to get the level of defect removal I wanted

My tailgate:

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^ in Kitty Bro's words. "Is that Art?"

Haha how come I keep popping up in people pictures.
 
I'm always trying my best. It's pretty easy to try your best when you love what your doing. :)
 
allenk4 said:
In my experience, with a full-sized SUV:

You will not be able to complete the job in one day, so 6 pads is more than enough

I would suggest picking up six of the 5.3" and a couple of the 4" or 3" depending on the size of the smaller sections on your car. I do not advise trying to use the 5.3" on any surface that you cannot keep the pad flat on...you will burn an edge if you try

Make sure you use a 5" backing plate

8oz of compound was enough for me. The Denim pads absorb almost zero product. Using too much product does not yield faster or better results, it just makes wiping off more difficult

You will need to clean the pad "on-the-fly" after each section pass. What worked for me was:

5 peas sized dots on the 5.3" pad

6 section passes

Clean the pad with a larger stiff nylon brush
The small pad cleaning brushes take too long
Brush from the center of the pad out. It seems to do less damage to the pad

I usually had to repeat this process three times to get the level of defect removal I wanted

My tailgate:

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That is sick looking right there! I need to look into this, I have a used car dealer who is always talking about orange peel. I might see if he would let me use this on one of his cars.

HUMP
 
HUMP DIESEL said:
That is sick looking right there! I need to look into this, I have a used car dealer who is always talking about orange peel. I might see if he would let me use this on one of his cars.

HUMP
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If you are talking about practicing on one of his used cars...great!


If you are talking about doing it on a used car lot and charging....I doubt you can talk many dealers into it. It just takes too long. If you charge even $30 an hour...it is $300 step in a process that will require light compounding and a finish polish on most vehicles


I see the CarPro Denim as a great solution for hobbyists like me

- Low cost
- Safer

I could see Pro's using it for OP matching on repaints

Damp sanding is just so much faster

Although, CarPro Denim does produce great results, they are not as "flat" as wet sanding. I did both on my truck.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-via-wet-sanding-2009-yukon-denali-black.html


My plan moving forward is to continue to attend Meguiar's Thursday Night Open Garage events to practice machine sanding with my PC
 
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