$125 wax. What for??

[Kris R]

Yes sir, you are correct. But the initial purchase is $175. Technically it would be $87.50 and either way you look at it, it costs more than NXT 2.0. I have no doubts that Fuzion will shine (no pun intended), I just like to compare products and see if they live up to the hype.

The point Im trying to make is that the benefits do not justify the percentage MORE that these expensive waxes cost.

We've already established that its the polishing and work you do on your paint that creates the shine. You can apply the most expensive wax in the world on a dull swirled paint job and it will look like crap.

So with that said, some waxes provide a little more shine. And I mean a LITTLE. As in if I showed you the same black car in the same situation 5 times with 5 different wax jobs you wouldn't be able to say "Number 1 is P21s, Number 2 is Collinite Number 3 is DEFINITELY rubbish boys, Number 4 is Fuzion and number 5 is NXT"

You cant do it. So now it comes down to durability. NXT is 20 bucks and it lasts maybe a week or two. P21s is a great wax and you might get a month out of it. I have never used Collinite but I've heard you can get well over a month or two on a daily driver. So for my argument lets say one month. And lets say with Fuzion you get 2 months. Then Fuzion should cost 60 bucks and not 125 or 87 or whatever. Point Im making is you get a fancy box, and a lot of hype for way more than you need to spend. It very well may be made of all natural or superior ingredients but to the naked eye you are NOT going to see it. Wax provides 2 purposes; SHINE and WATER BEADING. Thats it. You're not going to be able to notice enough of a difference to justify the cost. For that much money and I know other waxes go EVEN HIGHER in price, that stuff better leap out of the can by itself and jump on my vehicle and stay there till told otherwise. And it SHOULD make me a sandwich while its at it. rops:

 

[rwright]

The point Im trying to make is that the benefits do not justify the percentage MORE that these expensive waxes cost.

We've already established that its the polishing and work you do on your paint that creates the shine. You can apply the most expensive wax in the world on a dull swirled paint job and it will look like crap.

So with that said, some waxes provide a little more shine. And I mean a LITTLE. As in if I showed you the same black car in the same situation 5 times with 5 different wax jobs you wouldn't be able to say "Number 1 is P21s, Number 2 is Collinite Number 3 is DEFINITELY rubbish boys, Number 4 is Fuzion and number 5 is NXT"

You cant do it. So now it comes down to durability. NXT is 20 bucks and it lasts maybe a week or two. P21s is a great wax and you might get a month out of it. I have never used Collinite but I've heard you can get well over a month or two on a daily driver. So for my argument lets say one month. And lets say with Fuzion you get 2 months. Then Fuzion should cost 60 bucks and not 125 or 87 or whatever. Point Im making is you get a fancy box, and a lot of hype for way more than you need to spend. It very well may be made of all natural or superior ingredients but to the naked eye you are NOT going to see it. Wax provides 2 purposes; SHINE and WATER BEADING. Thats it. You're not going to be able to notice enough of a difference to justify the cost. For that much money and I know other waxes go EVEN HIGHER in price, that stuff better leap out of the can by itself and jump on my vehicle and stay there till told otherwise. And it SHOULD make me a sandwich while its at it. rops:

I agree. That's why on my original post, #29, I stated that I am going to test durability and shine. I want to see for myself the difference, if there is, between a $20 can of wax vs. a $175 (technically $87.50) can of wax. I also stated that I like to compare products to see if they live up to the hype. I firmly stand behind "seeing is believing".

 

[Kris R]

I agree. That's why on my original post, #29, I stated that I am going to test durability and shine. I want to see for myself the difference, if there is, between a $20 can of wax vs. a $175 (technically $87.50) can of wax. I also stated that I like to compare products to see if they live up to the hype. I firmly stand behind "seeing is believing".

Thats great. I think more people should be able to do that. I wasn't commenting necessarily towards any one person just in general. I'm definately interested in your find. I'm sure the expensive wax will do better is some category (Probably durability) but when you can layer carnuba or even throw a layer of sealant down before the nuba then IMO I just dont see the need for an overly expensive wax. I think 50 bucks is the highest I would pay for a wax. BUT thats just ME.

Cant wait to see your results.

 

[A4 1.8tqm]

Whats the difference between a $200 designer dress shirt and a $20 no name dress shirt? They are both made of some cotton strings. Surely the designer shirt has nicer, more refined cotton but can anyone tell? Probably not. Once your wearing either shirt will anyone else be able to tell? No layman to designer clothes can tell that's for sure. It comes down to personal preference, do you want to wear Versace or Stafford?

Of course this isn't a perfect comparison but I think it gets the point across. Of course a Boutique wax has better ingredients, should be easier to use, look and perform better, but is it worth the price? YOU decide.

I, for one, enjoy wearing a Fuzion coat enough to justify the cost. On the other hand my friend has like five $300 scarves amongst tons of designer clothes, which I think is ridiculous and wasteful. To each his own. :xyxthumbs:

I am also anxious to see your findings, rwright.

 

[Kris R]

Of course this isn't a perfect comparison but I think it gets the point across. Of course a Boutique wax has better ingredients, should be easier to use, look and perform better, but is it worth the price? YOU decide.

Thats a pretty wide comparison. A better comparison would be buying Walgreens Ibuprofen instead of a bottle of Motrin that has equal size pills equal number and the box is almost identical. The ACTIVE INGREDIENT (Insert Carnuba) is the same in the same strength and quality only one is MOTRIN and one is pharmacy brand. The difference is in your mind and your pocket book. After an hour your Motrin Headache relief isnt any better than your Walgreens relief. lol

And finally I want to stress this is all IMO. And opinions are like.....lol Im the MAN

 

[A4 1.8tqm]

A better comparison would be buying Walgreens Ibuprofen instead of a bottle of Motrin that has equal size pills equal number and the box is almost identical. The ACTIVE INGREDIENT (Insert Carnuba) is the same in the same strength and quality only one is MOTRIN and one is pharmacy brand. The difference is in your mind and your pocket book. After an hour your Motrin Headache relief isnt any better than your Walgreens relief. lol

The whole deal is that the "active ingredients" from wax to wax are different and in varying quality and quantity, highly refined and processed or raw and unaltered, with special additives etc., not all waxes have the same ingredients. Thus affecting durability, looks etc. Your argument attempts to state that all waxes have the EXACT SAME ingredients. LOL

My point was that just by looking you probably can't tell one wax from the other, but there IS a difference.

And finally I want to stress this is all IMO. And opinions are like.....lol Im the MAN

Of course and agreed. Not trying to argue, opinions opinions. :dblthumb2:

 

[Rsurfer]

Thats a pretty wide comparison. A better comparison would be buying Walgreens Ibuprofen instead of a bottle of Motrin that has equal size pills equal number and the box is almost identical. The ACTIVE INGREDIENT (Insert Carnuba) is the same in the same strength and quality only one is MOTRIN and one is pharmacy brand. The difference is in your mind and your pocket book. After an hour your Motrin Headache relief isnt any better than your Walgreens relief. lol

And finally I want to stress this is all IMO. And opinions are like.....lol Im the MAN

That's a bad example. All waxes do not have the same ingredients. Cheaper waxes have fillers like bees wax, parafin, etc. Some waxes are not true carnubas as they have polymers added.

 

[Kris R]

That's a bad example. All waxes do not have the same ingredients. Cheaper waxes have fillers like bees wax, parafin, etc. Some waxes are not true carnubas as they have polymers added.

No I was talking about the higher end inexpensive waxes. EVERY wax has some sort of fillers because you can not apply wax in pure carnuba form.

and again, were talking end results. This is a very subjective topic because people will justify anything in their mind. I was trying to battle that after the wax job is done you couldnt identify what wax was used if you didnt already know, and durability is subject to change due to a VARIETY of reasons. But Im done, were all friends here. I'd like to get some fuzion on bogo just to see for myself. Who knows...I might sing a different tune? :dblthumb2:

 

[Bunky]

The higher cost paste waxes can be cheaper per application than some of the liquids. It is just the up front expense is higher.

 

[Rsurfer]

No I was talking about the higher end inexpensive waxes. EVERY wax has some sort of fillers because you can not apply wax in pure carnuba form.

and again, were talking end results. This is a very subjective topic because people will justify anything in their mind. I was trying to battle that after the wax job is done you couldnt identify what wax was used if you didnt already know, and durability is subject to change due to a VARIETY of reasons. But Im done, were all friends here. I'd like to get some fuzion on bogo just to see for myself. Who knows...I might sing a different tune? :dblthumb2:

Not true again, all waxes do not have fillers (other types of waxes) All nuba waxes have solvents to soften the rock hard carnuba. Is P21s falsely advertising their wax as 100%? I don't think so. All waxes are not created equal, but it would be hard to tell on a well preped paint.

 

[spike]

I too have been very interested to know if the really expensive waxes are really worth it. I know most of it is personal preference, but have any experiments been done to see if the expensive Souveran for example looks that much better than say an over-the-counter wax? I also know that the paint prep is really what makes the car look good...but, just assuming the paint is prepped correctly, would you be able to tell if the car was coated with Souveran, or say Megs #26 high tech yellow wax (for example only)?

 

[Kris R]

Not true again, all waxes do not have fillers (other types of waxes) All nuba waxes have solvents to soften the rock hard carnuba. Is P21s falsely advertising their wax as 100%? I don't think so. All waxes are not created equal, but it would be hard to tell on a well preped paint.

Thats what I meant by fillers. Fillers, additives, solvents what have you.

 

[Kris R]

would you be able to tell if the car was coated with Souveran, or say Megs #26 high tech yellow wax (for example only)?

No you wouldnt be able to tell. But there will be ease of application, Ease of removal, does it stain trim? Does it chalk on trim? Does it bead water well? Does that protection last a week or a month or more?

 

[spike]

No you wouldnt be able to tell. But there will be ease of application, Ease of removal, does it stain trim? Does it chalk on trim? Does it bead water well? Does that protection last a week or a month or more?

Yes, I agree, those attributes of the wax are very important. I look at durability first when trying to consider which one to buy, but that's just me. Ease of use and not staining trim is also very important to me.

 

[rwright]

Not sure about other people but I take the time to tape off trim and other areas I may not want my applicator pad to make contact with.

On a side note, I think we have irritated the pro's with this thread! I am not here to cause problems, I am here to learn how to be a better detailer. I share the same passion for detailing as most other people on this forum, Autopia, and Meg's forum, I just lack the experience of paint correction, water extraction, and deodorizing with equipment. If I make a statement that is not accurate, I'm ok with correction. That is part of the learning experience. I just hope that at the end of the day we can look back and respect the opinions of others and not carry a grudge because of a difference of opinion!

I for one appreciate threads like this because it gets the community involved. So far this forum has been really nice to be a part of. Most everyone seems like true adults, voice their opinions, and move on. Some other forums are not like this. Anyway, thanks to everone who has contributed and thanks to Auto Geek for hosting and giving us a place to share the wealth of knowledge. And thanks for the great products too!!!

Richard

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

This is true. I have tried Souveran Paste, Fuzion, Dodo Juice Orange Crush, P21S, Megs Cleaner Wax, Megs M16, Pinnacle Seies II, Mothers Paste

Souveran and Fuzion by far made washing the easiet. It also let water fall right off the car which helps pervent against water spots.

Dodo Juice, P21S and Pinnacle Series II made wahsing easier then Megs and Mothers. The water also beaded up pretty nice two but they do not last as long and Souveran and Fuzion.

I would disagree about Souveran or Fuzion helping with washing and letting the water fall right off. I have never had that happen with those waxes, but they sure do bead like crazy, and they sure are great waxes. Something with more nuba content is going to help a lot more with the water falling off. You need to start using the Swissvax or Zymol waxes to understand what I am talking about. This is the main reason why people use the high end waxes because of how much easier it makes the car to wash and to say, yes, I have some high end waxes.

 

[A4 1.8tqm]

Well said rwright, I've never seen a forum so civilized, as AG. These discussions are a great way for people to figure out what products to spend their hard earned cash on and how to use them. Not just for us involved in the discussion, but the lurkers too!

 

[JohnnyC]

Fuzion and Souveran are about the best waxes offered here and compete well against others costing far, far more. That said, it comes down to the end user and what they want to spend and what they are looking for in a wax. It is certainly ok to like any wax at any price point, and nobody is right when saying your wrong.

I forgot what web site i saw this , but the wax was $1,800 bucks a jar.

 

[Rsurfer]

I forgot what web site i saw this , but the wax was $1,800 bucks a jar.

I believe Swissvax Crystal Rock is $1,100 a tub, Divine at $2,900 a tub and Zymol Vintage is $2,200 a tub with free re-fill for life.

 

[Kris R]

I believe Swissvax Crystal Rock is $1,100 a tub, Divine at $2,900 a tub and Zymol Vintage is $2,200 a tub with free re-fill for life.

HOLY CRAP!!!!! WHY????? They want to make a wax you almost never have to re-apply again but what about those of us who LIKE the process? And what about pro-detailers...You know how many cars you'd have to detail to pay for that??

Im the MAN