1967 Starline Deville - Extreme Makeover

I cannot wait to see the finished product! It's looking great!

You may have already addressed this, but do you have any plans for correcting the chrome pieces? This is probably a question I can already answer after admiring your prior work, haha!
 
Looks great Mike. I love all the 50/50 shots, amazing transformation. What are your plans for the bright-work? If you plan to polish it, could you include a short write-up on your process.

Craig
 
You may have already addressed this, but do you have any plans for correcting the chrome pieces? This is probably a question I can already answer after admiring your prior work, haha!

AT this time I'm not going to have anything re-chromed. What I want to do is make some kind of rubber gasket for some of larger chrome components so there isn't just metal screwed down tight against 42 year old gel-coat. There's at least one place on the bow where the gel-coat is chipped because of this so there needs to be some kind of gasket between metal and gel-coat.

I will polish the chrome and then seal it. Except for some scratches and a little pitting, overall it's in very good condition.

Looks great Mike. I love all the 50/50 shots, amazing transformation. What are your plans for the bright-work? If you plan to polish it, could you include a short write-up on your process.

Craig

Time is always an issue here at AG, we have an Extreme Makeover this Thursday, a Porsche Class this Saturday and then behind the scenes were getting ready for SEMA and then the weekend after SEMA I'll be flying down to Dallas, Texas for the Detailing Class at Nick Chapman's shop with over 30 people signed up for that.

Priority one is to get the gel-coat restored and protected. I'll polish the brightwork to some level but it will probably be more of the KISS approach at least for now.

KISS = Keep It Simple Simon


Haven't decided what to use on the other half of the bow, maybe Meguiar's, maybe Menzerna?


:)
 
Looking better and better every day.

It’s probably been at least a year ago or so, but I remember you did some compounding on this boat or at least part of the boat before. Is the old gel coat that sensitive to oxidation that you already have to compound it again this year, or is it just the fact that the boat was already so oxidized from years of neglect before you bought it that you now have to keep up on the finish more often or it will revert back to it’s original condition quicker?

 
That color seems to oxidize quickly when in the sun. My father in-law has a 1973 MFG in the same color. I buffed it out this past spring and it needs to be done again, and we have a short summer up in Maine.
 
It’s probably been at least a year ago or so, but I remember you did some compounding on this boat or at least part of the boat before. Is the old gel coat that sensitive to oxidation that you already have to compound it again this year, or is it just the fact that the boat was already so oxidized from years of neglect before you bought it that you now have to keep up on the finish more often or it will revert back to it’s original condition quicker?

After I bought it, but before I did any Test Spots to see how easy or difficult it was to buff, I wrongly assumed it would be easy to remove the oxidation and restore a high gloss finish.

My mistake.

I scheduled it for an Extreme Makeover at Meguiar's and keep in mind, many, not all but many of the people that attend Extreme Makeover projects are not experienced with rotary buffers, they often times want to learn to use the rotary buffer but are not ready to dive into a full-on heavy compounding project using a rotary buffer.

At the very beginning of the Extreme Makeover I did some testing on the gel-coat and found it was buffing-out very hard, as in it was very hard to get good results easily using a rotary buffer.

So I more or less ended the EM at Meguiar's Garage that night and everyone worked on their own cars. There's a thread on MOL in the "Pictures from Extreme Makeovers" section of their forum and in that thread I actually explained all of the above also. (Lucky me, I get to type so much).

Good memory and thanks for asking. Also note, nothing has changed. It's still very hard to get great results. In the pictures I'm showing, there's a LOT of compounding going on using the rotary buffer behind the scenes followed with polishing and waxing. Doing these small section at at time is time intensive.

I will say that doing small sections at at time does take some of the paint out of the project. It would be a daunting task to tackle compounding the entire boat in one day plus all the polishing and waxing too. Not that it couldn't be done it's just it would take all the fun out of the project.

:)
 
Yea, I remember you stopping the Extreme Makeover on the boat that night. I also remember seeing a picture later on where you had finished buffing the top of the bow. I was actually surprised how oxidized the bow was again when I saw the picture of it in the Autogeek garage. I guess the old gel coat does not hold up well to the Hot CA and FL sun and oxidizes back up again fairly quickly.

Thanks for sharing the process with us. Looking forward to the rest.

:)
 
Wow tough project to tackle. You have got to have tons of time and patience to do that! Well done!

I lived in Orlando for years tough place to keep thing looking nice!

Would love to see what the boat looks like a year from now!
 
***Update***

First a quick note about safety. Aluminum stands like the one sin the picture below provide a stable base to stand on whenever you're working on elevated or high surfaces, for example the roofs of most S.U.V.s

Safety first...
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Now onto the progress in the 1967 Starline Deville


Menzerna + Kompressor Pads + Rotary Buffer = 1 sweeeeet looking 42 year old bow!


Over the weekend I put the Menzerna product line to work using the 7" and 6" Kompressor pads removing oxidation and restoring the color and gloss to the passenger's side bow on the 1976 Starline Deville here at the Autogeek Garage.

First up a few pictures followed by a few comments on the Menzerna products and Kompressor pads.

I started with the Menzerna Power Gloss Compound S34A and the Purple Hybrid Heavy Compounding 7 inch Foam Pad to cut off the surface oxidation.

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I really liked this hybrid wool compounding pad, its unique circular or loop fiber design of the foam formula provides some very aggressive cutting and even slicing action when used with an aggressive compound.

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The slotted pad face unique to the Kompressor line of pad enables the pad to easily conform to curves in the surface of whatever you're working on.



Next up we hit the bow with the Menzerna Super Intensive Polish PO 83 and switched to a 6" Kompressor White Polishing Pad. Long play time, easy buffing and the 6" Kompressor Polishing pad worked great for getting into the tight areas and rounded curves on the bow.

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Next up we switched to the Menzerna Intensive Polish PO 91E with a 7" Kompressor White Polishing Pad. The goal here wasn't to try to improve the finish but to take the Menzerna Intensive Polish for a test drive immediately after using the Menzerna Super Intensive Polish for comparison reasons.

As far as buffing cycle or play time, both buffed the same, there's plenty of play time with both of these products and you can see by the amount of pigmented gel-coat on the 7" Kompressor White Polishing pad used with the Menzerna Intensive Polish as compared to the 6" Kompressor White Polishing pad used with the Super Intensive Polish that the SIP had quite a bit more cutting power.

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Continuing to refine our results, next up is Menzerna Final Finish PO 85U with the the 6" Kompressor White Polishing Pad.


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This was another real easy buffing combination that increased the gloss and richness of color just a little bit more and like the last two polishes, wipe off was as easy as a summer breeze. Little to no pigment was removed using this combination as the previous steps have for the most part removed any deteriorated gel-coat at this point and now were pretty much just jeweling the surface or doing the final polishing step.

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Next up is the Menzerna Finishing Glaze PO 115C with a Kompressor 7" Red Finishing Pad

The Finishing Glaze is very slippery and brought out a little deeper orange color while maximizing the gloss on all the body lines of the bow.

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To top it off we used the Menzerna Sealing Wax APO 60 with a Kompressor 6" Super Soft Gold Jeweling Foam Pad on the Griot's Garage Random Orbital Polisher (love this polisher), on the 4.0 Speed Setting.

The Menzerna Sealing Wax does offer some very light cut and we're not to worried about the cleaning action as there's going to be another LSP applied to the bow before the brightwork is installed. But taking this light cutting or cleaning ability into account we chose the 6" Super Soft Gold Jeweling Foam Pad to take the emphasis on the cleaning ability and keep the focus on just sealing the surface. Keep in mind, at this stage of the game we're not working and working and working the product, all we're doing is making 2-3 passes over each square inch to thoroughly work the wax and the protection ingredients into and over the surface to whatever level is possible.


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A very thin coating which was allowed to dry to a haze before removing using a clean, soft microfiber polishing cloth.

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And here are the results,

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Comments

The Menzerna Product Line
The Menzerna Power Gloss Compound worked much like the M105 Ultra Compound in that it had a fairly short buffing cycle or play time. I found myself misting some water onto the surface to get a little more working time out of the product I had applied. Note this product is recommended for automotive paints, so using it on an oxidized 42 year-old gel-coat finish is out of the spectrum of duties it was intended to be used on and very well may be the root cause of the short buffing cycle. Regardless, with a little patience and perseverance, together with the Purple Kompressor 7" Compounding pad it chewed off all the old oxidized gel-coat and left a smooth, glossy surface.

If you need some aggressive cutting action for neglected paint or removing sanding marks, the Menzerna Power Gloss Compound and Purple Kompressor 7" Compounding pad or an aggressive wool cutting pad can handle it.

All of the polishes were a pleasure to work with, they offered plenty of working time on the surface, each one left the finish as good or better looking than the previous polish and wipe-off was always very easy, a real plus for whatever you're detailing.



Kompressor Pad Line
At first I didn't think I would like these pads as they look so different with their slotted pad face but to my surprise I loved how they will conform to the surface making buffing out any type of curvature simple and easy with a rotary buffer and also a DA Polisher. Also the slotted design made them very easy to clean using the Grit Guard Pad Washer with some Wolfgang Polishing Pad Rejuvenator. Don't waste time just using water or soaps not formulated for cleaning pads when using a pad washer, the difference in cleaning ability and results is night and day.

The 6" Compressor pads are very versatile in that they work great with both Rotary Buffers and DA style Polishers. We'll test them out on the Flex 3401 in the near future and post our results.



Observations about the Kompressor pads,
  • Excel at working on curved panels.
  • Indestructible under hard buffing.
  • Easy, easy easy to clean using the Griot's Garage Pad Cleaner.
  • Worked well with both the rotary buffer and the DA Polisher.

Next up, polishing the brightwork and re-installing it.


:)
 
Boat's looking great Mike and I am glad you are using so many combinations during the restoration.

It will be a beauty when it is completely polished.
 
At this point the areas you have completed are better than what the factory put out back in the day. Exceptional outcome, just exceptional.
 
Great work Mike! I'm blown away by the video quality of the T1i on the first page. You also have a very steady hand! :dblthumb2:

What lens is on that camera?
 
Wow...the boat is gonna look like it came off the production line when finished!
 
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