2-butoxyethanol?

I just realized I pulled that off the meg's .UK website
It shows Dlimonene as an ingredient and no ethylene glycol. What the heck is going on here!!!!!? Has it been reformulated. Is it different in the U.S?

Ingredient C.A.S. No. % by Wt
WATER 7732-18-5 75 - 95
POTASSIUM SILICATE 1312-76-1 1 - 5
ETHOXYLATED ALCOHOL Trade Secret 1 - 5
ALANINE, N,N-BIS(CARBOXYMETHYL)-, TRISODIUM SALT 164462-16-2 0.5 - 1.5
D-LIMONENE 5989-27-5 0.1 - 1
POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE 1310-58-3 0.1 - 1.0

Here's the link to the Meg's site:http://www.meguiars.co.uk/attach/downloads/d103_apc_plus.pdf
 
D103
Ingredient C.A.S. No. % by Wt
WATER 7732-18-5 75 - 95
POTASSIUM SILICATE 1312-76-1 1 - 5
ETHOXYLATED ALCOHOL Trade Secret 1 - 5
ALANINE, N,N-BIS(CARBOXYMETHYL)-, TRISODIUM SALT 164462-16-2 0.5 - 1.5
D-LIMONENE 5989-27-5 0.1 - 1
POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE 1310-58-3 0.1 - 1.0
WHOA!!!...Am I getting "a little behind" (I WISH) in my MSDS's data-bases?

Your MSDS must be the newer version of D103 APC+...
If so: Thanks for posting it

However...
Potassium Hydroxide is a: NO-NO around wheels and other vehicle components...Most "hydroxides" are.

The % of d-limonene is probably not enough to warrant calling the APC-police.

:)

Bob
 
I'm confused. The msds I pulled says 2011.
I prefer it when the manufacturer of a product provides the most current MSDS upon request.
Note: I've never been turned away empty handed by the good folks at Meguiar's

I also don't mind printing a current MSDS from the locations manufacturers provide via the internet.

What apc do you use, Bob?
In the past: I've used OTC's; those distributed by the jobbers; etc.

But I've settled on:
-Meguair's D101 and D108 as my "APC's"
-And the d-limonene ones from an earlier thread. [Remember? :D]

Bob
 
I've talked so much about dlimonene, I can't remember anything anymore haha. I've heard you talk about p21s taw.
 
I've talked so much about dlimonene, I can't remember anything anymore haha.

^^^LOL^^^


I've heard you talk about p21s taw.
Yep...That's some good stuff!!
(a little costly for some budgets, but worth it to me!)


I hope OP: goodinblack posts-up the APC he has decided upon...

:)

Bob
 
I have not.

This is how I feel.

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I'd say flip a coin between 103 or 101. OPC too actually. You can't go wrong with any of those.
 
He's probably so confused now...
This is how I feel.

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Knowing that D103 contains the following:
ETHOXYLATED ALCOHOL Trade Secret...%...1-5

What's your take on alkylphenol ethoxylates (APE's)?

These are chemicals that are so-called "hormone disruptors" that can interfere with the body's
natural chemical messages... either by blocking or mimicking the actions of hormones.

Possible health effects include:
Decreased sperm counts; increased rates of male birth defects such as cryptorchidism (undescended testicles);
hypospadias (where the urethra is on the underside of the penis); and increased rates of some kinds of cancers.

The alkylphenol ethoxylates (APE's) used in some detergents and cleaners have been shown to mimic the hormone estrogen;
one APE, p-nonylphenol, has caused estrogen-sensitive breast cancer cells to multiply in a test tube study.


Shall I continue?
(There's potentially: "bad stuff" that's all around us.)

:)

Bob
 
Whats the MSDS on this? What disease does this cause?

Chemical Guys CLD_1010 - All Clean All Purpose Cleaner & Degreaser
 
Whats the MSDS on this? What disease does this cause?

Chemical Guys CLD_1010 - All Clean All Purpose Cleaner & Degreaser
No MSDS is available to me...But:
According to Chemical Guys their "All Clean APC & Degreaser" is a: Surfactant based cleaner that contains wetting agents
(Sounds like some gobbledygook/double-speak the Government uses!)

Which surfactant(s) and which wetting Agent(s) is unknown to me at this time.

Definition of Surfactants:
-Compounds that lower the surface tension between two liquids or between a liquid and a solid.
-Surfactants may act as detergents, wetting agents, emulsifiers, foaming agents, and dispersants

Types of Surfactants: Nonionic, Anionic, Cationic, Zwitterionic, even Hydrotropes

LISTs OF SURFACTANTS
I.
Polysorbates
Sodium dodecyl sulfate (sodium lauryl sulfate)
Lauryl dimethyl amine oxide
Cetyltrimethylammonium bromide (CTAB)
Polyethoxylated alcohols
Polyoxyethylene sorbitan
Octoxynol
N, N - dimethyldodecylamine-N-oxide
Hexadecyltrimethylammonium bromide (HTAB)
Polyoxyl 10 lauryl ether
Bile salts (sodium deoxycholate, sodium cholate)
Polyoxyl castor oil
Nonylphenol ethoxylate
Cyclodextrins
Lecithin
Methylbenzethonium chloride

II.

ANIONIC TYPES
1. CARBOXYLATES
2. SULPHONATES
3.a. PETROLEUM SULPHONATES
3. b. ALKYLBENZENESULPHONATES
4. NAPHTHALENESULPHONATES
5. OLEFIN SULPHONATES
6. ALKYL SULPHATES
7. SULPHATES
8. SULPHATED NATURAL OILS & FATS.
9. SULPHATED ESTERS
10. SULPHATED ALKANOLAMIDES
11. ALKYLPHENOLS, ETHOXYLATED & SULPHATED.

NONIONIC TYPE
1. ETHOXYLATED ALIPHATIC ALCOHOL
2.POLYOXYETHYLENE SURFACTANTS
3.CARBOXYLIC ESTERS
4. POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL ESTERS
5. ANHYDROSORBITOL ESTER & IT'S ETHOXYLATED DERIVATIVES
6. GLYCOL ESTERS OF FATTY ACIDS
7. CARBOXYLIC AMIDES
8. MONOALKANOLAMINE CONDENSATES
9. POLYOXYETHYLENE FATTY ACID AMIDES.

CATIONIC TYPE
1. QUATERNARY AMMONIUM SALTS
2. AMINES WITH AMIDE LINKAGES
3. POLYOXYETHYLENE ALKYL & ALICYCLIC AMINES
4.N,N,N',N' TETRAKIS SUBSTITUTED ETHYLENEDIAMINES
5. 2- ALKYL 1- HYDROXETHYL 2-IMIDAZOLINES.

AMPHOTERIC TYPE
AMPHOTERIC SURFACTANTS CONTAINS BOTH AN ACIDIC & A BASICHYDROPHILIC MOIETY IN THEIR SURFACE e.g.,

1. N -COCO 3-AMINOPROPIONIC ACID/ SODIUM SALT
2. N-TALLOW 3 -IMINODIPROPIONATE, DISODIUM SALT
3. N-CARBOXYMETHYL N DIMETHYL N-9 OCTADECENYL AMMONIUM HYDROXIDE.
4.N-COCOAMIDETHYL N HYDROXYETHYLGLYCINE, SODIUM SALT, etc.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________


Wetting agent:
-A chemical agent that allows a liquid to spread more easily across or into a surface by lowering the liquid's surface tension
-Wetting agents can be surfactants; conversely: surfactants can be weting agents.

An Example: Sodium Lauryl Sulfate

Health Risks:
In the same way as it dissolves the grease on car engines, sodium lauryl sulfate also
dissolves the oils on your skin, which can cause a drying effect.

It is also well documented that it denatures skin proteins, which causes not only irritation,
but also allows environmental contaminants easier access to the lower, sensitive layers of the skin.

Perhaps most worryingly, SLS is also absorbed into the body from skin application.
Once it has been absorbed, one of the main effects of sodium lauryl sulfate is to mimic
the activity of the hormone Oestrogen. This has many health implications and may be responsible
for a variety of health problems, from PMS and Menopausal symptoms, to dropping male fertility
and increasing female cancers such as breast cancer, where oestrogen levels are known to be high.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

APC's/cleaning products' chemicals don't paint a pretty picture by any means.
I recommend to be responsible, and prudent, in their usage.



Bob
 
OK...I'm game. :D

Are "cleaners" that contain citrus (d-limonene) as their solvent, be less detrimental
to the environment and Human's health...than the crap that was being referenced above?


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...Bob


Yes, they are made from the citrus rinds, for the most part neutral ph too. The citrus is a natural degreaser. I have been using them for over 15 years. Butyl based cleaners are usually over kill. I recommend always starting with the least aggressive cleaner first.
 
Dang Bob, are you a chemist? Or do you just google everyone's questions and copy paste them into the thread?
I've gotten really obsessed with the MSDS of a lot of the products I use just by reading your posts. I started using a lot more PPE now also!
 
I've gotten really obsessed with the MSDS of a lot of the products I use just by reading your posts. I started using a lot more PPE now also!

I think the key here is awareness. The msds won't always explicitly identify everything 'bad' in a product, you may have to dig a little deeper using the CAS # if you really want to know. But more importantly, the msds will always identify the minimum recommended PPE; which should be reviewed before ever breaking the seal.
 
Looks like I have decided on my APC.

Cat urine and vinegar.

That what iron x is anyway.

Hahahahahahha

Seriously...... I Googled citrus based APC, and came up with a option. Starts with a S and min ends with a Z.

Going to order tomorrow.
 
I think the key here is awareness. The msds won't always explicitly identify everything 'bad' in a product, you may have to dig a little deeper using the CAS # if you really want to know. But more importantly, the msds will always identify the minimum recommended PPE; which should be reviewed before ever breaking the seal.

I agree. I think most of the very harmful products are or have been discussed enough to know what to look out for. MSDS gives you a good basis though on safety precautions.
 
Dang Bob, are you a chemist?
No, not a Chemist.
Just enjoy researching: all things detailing/chemicals.
Surfactant science is one such arena I find fascinating.

Research, research, and research some more.
Then store-up gained-information, for when needed.
Always share.


Bob
 
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