2-butoxyethanol?

I'm unsure if you guys are being serious or not...
I was an Organic Chemist doing pharmaceutical R&D for 7 years. Obviously, with those in the detailing profession, you are faced with exposure to various chemicals. If exposure to these chemicals concerns you, ensure proper PPE is worn. Be it gloves, glasses, Tyvek sleeves, suits, respirators, etc. The choice is yours.

Many times, it is that simple, especially with the chemicals that you use day to day that are quite benign. Chemistry should be respected, not feared. Anything used can be hazardous if you put the proper spin on it. Just think, inhaling water can kill you... See what I mean? (google "dihydrogen monoxide" for a good laugh)

In reality, bathing in some of these on a day to day basis over years of exposure may not cause any issues. In fact, many of you already do. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, as mentioned above, is in your shampoo...that you use daily.

Bottom line is, if you are that concerned, consult the MSDS and make sure appropriate PPE is used.

In the meantime, you guys are doing great work detailing some very nice rides!!
 
I'm unsure if you guys are being serious or not...

Bottom line is, if you are that concerned, consult the MSDS and make sure appropriate PPE is used.
OH! Let there be no doubt that I'm always serious about consulting with products' MSDS's
and the wearing of appropriate PPE...whether it be while detailing, or in ones "daily walk in life"!!

That's what I've been saying all along.
(Some call it: proselytizing)

So allow me to take this opportunity to say:
Thanks! for your support in the above noted regards. :dblthumb2:


Bob

PS:
With your stated background: Please post-up whenever you can.
The more information that's shared...The Better...I say!
 
issues. In fact, many of you already do. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, as mentioned above, is in your shampoo...that you use daily.

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Only if you have hair.
 
Looks like I have decided on my APC.

Starts with a S and min ends with a Z.

Going to order tomorrow.
Good choice!!

They've been providing chemicals for the car-wash/car-detailing industries for many, many decades.

Hope it does everything, and then some.

:)

Bob
 
Looks like I have decided on my APC.

Cat urine and vinegar.

That what iron x is anyway.

Hahahahahahha

Seriously...... I Googled citrus based APC, and came up with a option. Starts with a S and min ends with a Z.

Going to order tomorrow.

Is this the aerosol version? Let us know what you think.
 
What about eco touch apc.
-I don't see any 2-butoxyethanol...

-School's still out, for me, on the essential oils:
Are they going to do any "cleaning"...or just included as fragrances?

Are any other of "Eco Touch APC" ingredients (listed below in its MSDS):
"harmful" to the environment, or Human health...other animals, fish, fowl?
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

SECTION 1: PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: All Purpose
Manufacturer: Eco Touch, Inc. Address: One Washington St. Suite 200 Dover, NH 03820
Telephone: 888.375.7970 Product Use: All Purpose Hard Surface Cleaning
Prepared By: Eco Touch, Inc.

SECTION 2: COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical Name....................(%)................CAS #

Aqua (water).....................10-100%......7732-18-5

Decyl Glucoside...................1-10%........68515-73-1

Lauramine Oxide.................1-10%........1643-20-5

Sodium Carbonate.................01-1%........497-19-8

Citrus Sinensis and
Citrus Limon Essential Oils....0.1-1%...........N/A

5, 5-Dimethylhydantoin
Preservative........................01-0.1%...........N/A
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

:)

Bob
 
-I don't see any 2-butoxyethanol...

-School's still out, for me, on the essential oils:
Are they going to do any "cleaning"...or just included as fragrances?

Are any other of "Eco Touch APC" ingredients (listed below in its MSDS):
"harmful" to the environment, or Human health...other animals, fish, fowl?
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

SECTION 1: PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
Product Name: All Purpose
Manufacturer: Eco Touch, Inc. Address: One Washington St. Suite 200 Dover, NH 03820
Telephone: 888.375.7970 Product Use: All Purpose Hard Surface Cleaning
Prepared By: Eco Touch, Inc.

SECTION 2: COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Chemical Name....................(%)................CAS #

Aqua (water).....................10-100%......7732-18-5

Decyl Glucoside...................1-10%........68515-73-1

Lauramine Oxide.................1-10%........1643-20-5

Sodium Carbonate.................01-1%........497-19-8

Citrus Sinensis and
Citrus Limon Essential Oils....0.1-1%...........N/A

5, 5-Dimethylhydantoin
Preservative........................01-0.1%...........N/A
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

:)

Bob

Thanks for the reply.
 
Have not received it yet

What does it say?
Please post-up this product's MSDS when you receive it.
I'll post-up the one I have, and compare it with yours...for authenticity's sake.

Thanks.

:)

Bob
 
I think this is a case where I will agree with Mike - sometimes, this information is just not really helpful to the average user. I will give a few thoughts here and then address some more specific points, posted by others.

Butyl, by whatever name you want to use, is indeed a harmful solvent. By that, it is classfied as harmful - it can cause harmful effects and it is, additionally, a low level skin and eye irritant. Now, that might sound scary, but now you need a bit of perspective. Your gasoline, that is not harmful, that is toxic. Many of the solvents in your waxes and sealants would be classified as harmful. Some of the surfactants would be harmful. Some of the exotic products, for instance the bleeding fallout removers (pretty much all of them) contain one or other of a class of chemical which is again, not only harmful, but notably toxic. So right away, I would say that the concern is over blown.

Next up, active level. With the level of harm for butyl, you need greater than 25% (EU regulations) before a product would carry the harmful classification. If you care to study the numbers, you will see that the inclusion level in your products is notably less than this (generally). Then consider that we generally dilute these products and you suddenly find that there is a really tiny quantity in the mixture you spray or apply. Compare this to something like a bleeding fallout remover where you apply a high percentage of a much more harmful ingredient, without dilution, and you should again conclude that the danger from the butyl is rather limited.

Now - some specific comments...

I believe it causes headaches and probably isn't good to repeatedly get on your skin over the course of years. It may be labeled as butyl. I try to stay away from it. It's mostly found it very cheap products, as it's very cheap to produce.

Actually, butyl is not actually cheap and nasty. It actually tends to be significantly more costly than isopropanol (for example). It is used in any number of products because it is very effective. I would make little distinction between presence in cheap and expensive products because all cost groups tend to use it in one form or another. There are alternatives which are less harmful and cost about the same - but the unfortunate reality is that they are not as effective.

If you want to focus on a cheap nasty, look to caustic hydroxides - much much higher risk to person and vehicle that butyl and much better alternative that can perform equally.

OH NO! The d-limonene argument. I knew it was coming. :laughing:

Is it safer than 2-butoxyethanol? Seems to depend on who you ask and what their agenda is.

I feel like d-limonene is probably safer for humans but not so good for our fish friends.

D-limonene is not a solvent you can really compare. D-limonene is a non-polar solvent which is totally immiscible in water, unless a surfactant system is present. Butyl is (mostly) water soluble and actually can work to help other things with becoming more compatible with water.

Butyl has the phrase:

Harmful by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed

D-limonene has

Harmful: may cause lung damage if swallowed

So D-limonene should not be mistaken for an innocuous bit of fluff. Further, whilst butyl is a skin irritant (albeit, at activity levels above 20%), d-limonene is a skin sensitiser and this sets in at levels of only 1%!

So there are arguments either way...

However...
Potassium Hydroxide is a: NO-NO around wheels and other vehicle components...Most "hydroxides" are.
Bob

Absolutely Bob! Why does this crucial bit of info seem to be so thoroughly unappreciated?! Hydroxides are superb cleaners and are extremely alkaline. In some regards, they are the hydrochloric/brick acid of the alkaline world. They will cause hazing of glass, they will dissolve aluminium and can damage other sensitive metals. Metasilicates are a fair alternative but cost perhaps 10x the amount in terms of activity. In weaker products like APC (yes, weak - inspite of what you might think, your concentrated APC is one of the lesser strength products out there!), it is easy to replace. In higher strength products, for instance traffic film removers, it is impossible to replace because there are not enough percentage points available! Long story short, why are you using a detailing product with hydroxide in it? Are you actually using something much cheaper and nastier than it pretends to be!?

What's your take on alkylphenol ethoxylates (APE's)?

Bob

Another good point. In fact, APEs are generically banned in the EU, such is their potential hazard (although much of the reasoning is down to environmental hazards).

Yes, they are made from the citrus rinds, for the most part neutral ph too. The citrus is a natural degreaser. I have been using them for over 15 years. Butyl based cleaners are usually over kill. I recommend always starting with the least aggressive cleaner first.

It comes from that source but don't mistake that for meaning the solvent is safe! I should also point out, as per above, d-limonene is not water miscible. As such, it is not pH neutral, it simple does not have a pH. If you add it to water, it will separate. If someone talks about the pH of a solvent like d-limonene, you need to be very cautious because it is a bit like talking about a man's menstrual cycle. Butyl IS water miscible and will mix with water... without modifying the pH notable. If you wanted to accuse one of these solvents of being pH neutral, it would have to be butyl.

I should also note at this point that, just because your pH meter gives you a reading, does not mean that you know the pH! Some things simple do not have a pH but your meter doesn't know this so lord knows what the number mean!

Summary: Don't worry so much! Butyl is not an innocent solvent, but there are many more dangerous ingredients which you will use without ever realising.
 
Thanks PiPUK for your addition to this thread...some great information as usual!!

:)

Bob
 
Thanks PiPUK for your input very informational.
 
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