3D AAT 505 Correction Glaze (Like SPEED, but BETTER!)

I have tried numerous 3D products and all are quality. HD Speed being my favorite. The AAT line products were both nice, long work time and no dust. However I have found the 501 and HD Cut to lack the cutting power of my 3M Ex-Cut compound for use with the rotary. I would say that the both finish down better, but I am more concerned with the product having the teeth to cut out sanding marks quickly.

One thing that has me interested in this new product though... It is geared towards a Body Shop. Well if it is a AIO I highly doubt it has the cut to remove sanding marks on its own. And it claims to be fresh paint safe. Nick claims it is longer lasting than Speed. No sealant is safe over fresh paint? In my numerous years of going to manufacturer training they have always told us it was not OK to wax or seal. So what gives?
 
ncmizzou01 said:
I have tried numerous 3D products and all are quality. HD Speed being my favorite. The AAT line products were both nice, long work time and no dust. However I have found the 501 and HD Cut to lack the cutting power of my 3M Ex-Cut compound for use with the rotary. I would say that the both finish down better, but I am more concerned with the product having the teeth to cut out sanding marks quickly.

One thing that has me interested in this new product though... It is geared towards a Body Shop. Well if it is a AIO I highly doubt it has the cut to remove sanding marks on its own. And it claims to be fresh paint safe. Nick claims it is longer lasting than Speed. No sealant is safe over fresh paint? In my numerous years of going to manufacturer training they have always told us it was not OK to wax or seal. So what gives?
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Exactly my thoughts. Fresh paint and paint protection doesn't go hand in hand. But if they found a way to protect paint and still let it breathe then they're doing everything right at 3D


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LittleKing24 said:
Well I guess I've been living under a rock. Thanks for the info! Would you happen to know the durability of the protection?


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I'm using it and it's been on for a month and it is holding up very well. Survived a couple storms that dropped a lot of water here in Southern California and weekly rinseless washes.
 
ncmizzou01 said:
I have tried numerous 3D products and all are quality. HD Speed being my favorite. The AAT line products were both nice, long work time and no dust. However I have found the 501 and HD Cut to lack the cutting power of my 3M Ex-Cut compound for use with the rotary. I would say that the both finish down better, but I am more concerned with the product having the teeth to cut out sanding marks quickly.
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We’ve been testing our compounds against popular brands (3M specifically) since we came out with the original version of HD Cut and if we go back even further I would say we did this with UNO even back in the day too. We’re continually reengineering our compounds to cut deeper, faster and leave a more superiorly refined finish than our competitors. Because we market our AAT system towards body shops, we’re constantly going head to head with the industry go-to which is 3M. I can honestly say from all our tests with the AAT system that it’s outperformed 3M’s in pretty much every category possible. And please keep in mind that we pride ourselves in being able to accomplish our refinement in only 2 buffing steps! The biggest critique we hear from our shops is usually on par with what you’re mentioning. That’s typically because they’ve heard how great our AAT system is and then ended purchased our liquids, but didn’t realize how important it is to also purchase our pads too. The reason for this issue is usually the wool pad that is being paired with our compound isn’t one that complements our system. 3M promotes using their very aggressive twisted wool pad, where our system uses our proprietary short nap lambs wool pad. We continually find that if you use this long napped pad with our compound you won’t obtain an optimal result. We’ve actually engineered our system to be paired specially with our pad(s). The way in which our pad(s) hold our abrasive and lubricants is truly an art in and of itself. This combo allows the user to quickly razor through 1200 grit sand scratches (on fresh especially even though most sand to 3000 grit) in a matter of a few passes leaving a very shallow swirl after. I would highly suggest trying our pad to see for yourself how different this system works: 8" White Lamb Wool Cutting Pad - 3dproducts
 
ncmizzou01 said:
One thing that has me interested in this new product though... It is geared towards a Body Shop. Well if it is a AIO I highly doubt it has the cut to remove sanding marks on its own. And it claims to be fresh paint safe. Nick claims it is longer lasting than Speed.
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Even though our AAT Correction Glaze can remove 3000 grit sand scratches (Speed can actually do this), I certainly wouldn’t suggest using it for the initial cutting step. This would be a great product for the 2nd/refinement step or for correcting dull, adjacent to freshly painted, panels. What makes this product even greater isn’t that it’s fresh paint safe (every product in our line is fresh paint safe in fact), but it’s also Body Shop Safe which is even more demanding to have in a shop environment.

ncmizzou01 said:
No sealant is safe over fresh paint? In my numerous years of going to manufacturer training they have always told us it was not OK to wax or seal. So what gives?
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LittleKing24 said:
Exactly my thoughts. Fresh paint and paint protection doesn't go hand in hand. But if they found a way to protect paint and still let it breathe then they're doing everything right at 3D
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Guys – I could write book on the misinformation that has been spread on the internet in regards to not sealing fresh paint and don’t mind discussing this even further…..but rest assured that this product, as well as ALL our protectants, are totally safe for fresh finishes. Just to make you aware, our AAT system is the only one that is endorsed and recommended by PPG in Europe. We also sell our line through very large body shop suppliers (both in the US and abroad) who have been selling HD Poxy to body shops for many years. 100’s of body shops all over the world have been sealing their fresh paint work with that product without 1 incident.
 
David Fermani said:
Guys – I could write book on the misinformation that has been spread on the internet in regards to not sealing fresh paint and don’t mind discussing this even further…..but rest assured that this product, as well as ALL our protectants, are totally safe for fresh finishes. Just to make you aware, our AAT system is the only one that is endorsed and recommended by PPG in Europe. We also sell our line through very large body shop suppliers (both in the US and abroad) who have been selling HD Poxy to body shops for many years. 100’s of body shops all over the world have been sealing their fresh paint work with that product without 1 incident.
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Dave, this is awesome and I was not aware of this fact. I wished I had known sooner. I had a number of clients last season who I deferred 30 days or more because they were in an accident and wanted a good polish/sealant. Armed with this information, I feel confident booking ASAP after a customer has a mishap. Thank you!
 
paul_g said:
Dave, this is awesome and I was not aware of this fact. I wished I had known sooner. I had a number of clients last season who I deferred 30 days or more because they were in an accident and wanted a good polish/sealant. Armed with this information, I feel confident booking ASAP after a customer has a mishap. Thank you!
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You're welcome! I've been arguing about the myth of not sealing fresh paint forever. This whole belief stems back to the days of lacquer paint where it was necessary for these finishes to outgas for many months as the paint stayed really "wet". Paint technology has changed, but it seems that people's way of thinking hasn't. I'd be very leery of a protectant product that could actually affect a fresh paint finish.
 
David Fermani said:
Even though our AAT Correction Glaze can remove 3000 grit sand scratches (Speed can actually do this), I certainly wouldn’t suggest using it for the initial cutting step. This would be a great product for the 2nd/refinement step or for correcting dull, adjacent to freshly painted, panels. What makes this product even greater isn’t that it’s fresh paint safe (every product in our line is fresh paint safe in fact), but it’s also Body Shop Safe which is even more demanding to have in a shop environment.




Guys – I could write book on the misinformation that has been spread on the internet in regards to not sealing fresh paint and don’t mind discussing this even further…..but rest assured that this product, as well as ALL our protectants, are totally safe for fresh finishes. Just to make you aware, our AAT system is the only one that is endorsed and recommended by PPG in Europe. We also sell our line through very large body shop suppliers (both in the US and abroad) who have been selling HD Poxy to body shops for many years. 100’s of body shops all over the world have been sealing their fresh paint work with that product without 1 incident.
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I'm with Paul. I also had a customer who just had a repaint that I had wait 30 days. I guess even though there is truth to it on older finishes, today it has become an old wives tale as far as newer finishes? Awesome to know. I will definitely be buying some when Autogeek stocks it.


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Great info on the pad and thanks for the the reply. I myself am a 3rd level Master Certified PPG Refinish tech and the main trainer at our local PPG Training Center is also on their Clear Coat council and he still adamantly says no wax or sealant for 30 days.

I suppose if people are doing it the chance for a problem is small. But when you are working in a production shop I lean towards the side of caution. If a problem occurs and it end up a result of something I did against my Paint manufacturers recommendations on their fresh paint flyers my boss is gonna have my tail!

However I enjoy 3D products and will always try out new formulas on repaints and detail jobs as I need them! Keep up the great work and I will grab a few of those pads to try the 501 with and see if I can get more cut!
 
Thanks for the reply! I'd love someone like you to try test the theory of waiting to seal fresh paint and try to prove the recommendation on waiting to stick. Get the worst possible fresh paint scenario and try sealing it with multiple different kinds of protectants to try and cause an issue. Things like applying 1-2 extra coats of slow drying clear. No baking. Keeping the panel in a dark, damp room. Apply multiple layers of protectant on a regular basis. I'd love to see if anything would happen.

I already have :)
 
Dereksdtail said:
$69.99 for 505,


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hdez said:
That's way too more expensive than I was anticipating. Waiting for a review vs HD Speed to see if it is worth the ~2.5x price difference.
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Dereksdtail said:
Speed is legit, I'm sure 505 is nice but meh


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Zubair said:
For 128oz? If not maybe a misprint or a joke.
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Not joking one bit. It's priced (for 32oz) according to the audience it's marketed towards: Body Shops. Body Shops will eat this product up as there's really no other product like this on the market for them. Regardless, for comparison sake, it's less expensive than most similar (putting that loosely) products..... ;)
 
David Fermani said:
Not joking one bit. It's priced (for 32oz) according to the audience it's marketed towards: Body Shops. Body Shops will eat this product up as there's really no other product like this on the market for them. Regardless, for comparison sake, it's less expensive than most similar (putting that loosely) products..... ;)
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For sure they will, looks like it's top notch


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So Speed is not body shop safe? If so, why wouldnt a body shop not save 60% and use Speed? Also, why would a body shop care about protection (instead of just pure correction)? Im genuinely curious.
 
boomdone said:
Also, why would a body shop care about protection (instead of just pure correction)? Im genuinely curious.
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Well if your car looks amazing the day you pick it up from the body shop, but just 3 days later it doesn't look anywhere near as hot as did that 1st day, what are your final impressions gonna be about the job the body shop did on your car? Not so great overall considering it went from sizzle to fizzle in just a few days...

But if that sizzle actually has some respectable lasting power, then you'll be long done giving their job a big thumbs up and will have moved onto other things before it even begins losing it's zizzle. Simple.


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