@xlntshine: go over to
- Bob is the Oil Guy where they have a forum, including a retired Pennzoil oil technician and tell them as a whole that pennzoil has bees wax. I'll bring a chair and popcorn.
Consulted my ASLE handbook and looks like I misunderstood the meaning of being a paraffin based oil stock. Still a regular petro. oil is refined from a paraffinic crude which contains wax's or wax like substances. These are refined out to what ever spec that the manufacturer desires from what info I could get my hands on.
For proof of the origin of the base oils see this link:
Resolving Anticompetitive Concerns, FTC Clears Shell Oil's $1.8 Billion Acquisition of Pennzoil-Quaker State
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Group II base oil is one of three types of paraffinic base oils produced in the United States and Canada. Paraffinic base oil is used to produce motor oil and other lubricants, and is needed to meet current performance standards for lighter-viscosity motor oil formulations, such as 5-W20 and 5-W30, as well as requirements for other lubricants.
"As new performance standards are adopted, there will be an even greater demand for Group II base oil in the production of motor oil and other lubricants," said Joe Simons, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Competition. "Without the conditions of this order, direct competition between Shell and Pennzoil in the production of Group II base oils would be eliminated, with the significant potential for reduced competition and higher prices for consumers."
Also you can look this up for yourself and see what I am talking about. Find the case of Mobile Vs. Castrol Syntec where Mobile claims that a standard base stock is not a synthetic oil. The court ruled in favor of Castrol though.. I feel that it was a judges decision and not science.
Top grade oils use a Group IV base stock and those are usually classified as fully synthetic oils. Check out the wikipedia page it has some good info..
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If I could edit my statement about beeswax I would... it was incorrect. I took a distributors word that the addition of beeswax was to add the distinct color to Pennzoil and Quaker-state. I can not find public information that would prove this to be true or anything saying that is could not be true. I will assume it is not true until I find information otherwise.
I do invite anyone to get samples of oils.. Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Quaker State, Castrol, Amsoil, Wolfs-head and poor them in glass containers. You can visually see that the Pennzoil and Quaker State is darker in color and lacks clarity.
I think further proof of the the benefits of synthetic can been seen if you take these samples and drop the temperatures to below freezing and look at the viscosity change and the cloudy nature of a Hydro-cracked Paraffinic oil compared to a PAO based oil.
I would also like to conclude that I have no interest in proving myself to those guys on BITOG!!
I challenge anyone to run Pennzoil, Valvoline, and ANY synthetic in identical engine with identical conditions and the Pennzoil will prove to be a dirty oil.
I don't have a card in this game unlike BOB or who ever the Pennzoil retired member is. It is like anything else when you work their how could you not have a bias. I read what those guys are saying and I don't think ANY of them are chemical engineers (nor am I) or let alone have lubrication engineering books and handbooks for casual reading on the coffee table like myself.
