A Plethora of Choices

I used m105 this past weekend indoors and it did phenomenal, i used it a week or back outdoors in the sun and heat and what a pain in rear that turned into. Yes it works and works well but is finicky. Need to try some menz fg400 but uc did help me out of that mess. M105 will have a spot but it is situational use for me. I do try to stick to one brand, not because I'm a fan boy but because I've found it local and easy to use. If I used GG system or a menz system and got better results easier I'd change in a heartbeat.

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Fast Eddie said:
IMO, if you love M105 and have tried all the other compounds, then you aren't "stuck" with anything, you have choices and have chosen to use a product that works phenomenal w/ a proven track record. Guess if someone hates M105 then everyone will, this type of thinking is what I avoid and why by business is such a success. You know what they say about opinions......
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Who here has said they hate 105? My issue is that more experienced users keep recommending it to people new to polishing (like me), and setting it as the "when you're good enough" goal product. Neither of these suggestions are helpful for most people. 105 isn't that pinnacle (no pun intended) product that new users should aspire to use. Nor is a good place for people to start given the issues with it.

I'm not trying to argue about your preferences. I'm trying to keep people like me from ending up in the "oh crap, what happened here and what have I gotten myself into?" situation when they have plaster glued to their paint due to overworking 105. Recommending 105 to new users is just not helpful, especially given all the other compounds out there without issues.

I will admit to being an opinionated guy who is new to this. So please feel free to disagree or tell me I'm wrong.
 
EngineerNate said:
Isn't the green a pretty light pad for use with a compound?

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It is by today's standards. Look at where that foam was positioned in the old Edge 2000, and Adams lines, and some current rotary lines, it's positioned anywhere from heavy to light cut.

This is because the ratings were more based on pore size, where today density is how they're rated. That specifically translates to the amount of pressure a pad can take. The orange and yellow pads are a bit more rigid, but have smoother surfaces. To someone like myself who doesn't use excess pressure those orange and yellow pads work best for heavy polishing. I never get as good a cut from them as I do the green. Those orange and yellow pads are also more difficult to make contour the paint. Once wet with product they're fairly smooth, where the green still feels gritty.

I have a photo album in my profile where I removed 1000 grit in my as paint with a green pad, Ultimate Compound, and a PC 7424xp. Very rarely do I need to step outside of my personal system. Of course, should the green pad stumble - which it has on some extremely resistant paints, I use the original Buff and Shine orange/black microfiber pad.
 
I'm not a fan of having a ton of supplies cluttering up my shelves.

I currently have five systems of polishes, and four systems of pads that I've trained myself to use. Even much of this is about to be purged.

That being said, I could pick any of them, and use that for the rest of the foreseeable future.

I think that what it comes down to is picking something and learning it inside and out. Once you have quality product, how you use it, will dictate it's effectiveness.
 
dlc95 said:
It is by today's standards. Look at where that foam was positioned in the old Edge 2000, and Adams lines, and some current rotary lines, it's positioned anywhere from heavy to light cut.

This is because the ratings were more based on pore size, where today density is how they're rated. That specifically translates to the amount of pressure a pad can take. The orange and yellow pads are a bit more rigid, but have smoother surfaces. To someone like myself who doesn't use excess pressure those orange and yellow pads work best for heavy polishing. I never get as good a cut from them as I do the green. Those orange and yellow pads are also more difficult to make contour the paint. Once wet with product they're fairly smooth, where the green still feels gritty.

I have a photo album in my profile where I removed 1000 grit in my as paint with a green pad, Ultimate Compound, and a PC 7424xp. Very rarely do I need to step outside of my personal system. Of course, should the green pad stumble - which it has on some extremely resistant paints, I use the original Buff and Shine orange/black microfiber pad.
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Hey Dan, do you know of any other open cell foam pads that have a lower PPI(larger pore size) than the green B&S?

Do you feel the blue Rupes foam has more cut than the B&S green?


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Funny this exact topic came up.

I have been OBSESSING about the entire opposite.

Example:

I currently own Rupes 21 and mini and Meg MF Cut and Fisish pads, a crap load of Ruoes yellow pads and white pads for lsp applications otherwise.

I rock M100 M205 exclusively right now for the bigger jobs and D301 exclusively for aio.

Sub point:

I am beyond happy with the results I get all the time. I believed I fell in love with products young in the game that I feel "technically " super content with them. Plus I agree to learn the ins and outs of anything.

New problem:

I have been doing LOTS of research if I should go total Rupes system in the future. I have been obsessing if I am missing out on a different system (Rupes).
 
I still regularly cycle in 105/205 on some paints as part of my test panels. Like dlc stated, I have a few "systems" I like and use for corrections and buff outs and the Megs "twins" have a place for me on quite a few jobs.

There remain those times when the 105/205 combo yielded the best test results. I admit to having spent quite a while perfecting a way to extract the best from them but now knowing as much as I do about how to work them I enjoy working with them.

In general I still agree with avoiding 105 if you are new to this work and with a DA. I use 105 with either my rotary or my Flex 3401. Further, I tweak my pad choices and technique quite a bit at times and ALWAYS have a water spray bottle close by. I usually ask myself after a test spot if the work and results could be better or easier with X/Y combo and sometimes it's yes and sometimes it's no.

I have tried UC/UP and quite honestly prefer 105/205. Maybe it's a forced rotation thing!

I am like dlc in that I have about 3-4 different cut and polish systems but 105/205 remains in my starting pitching rotation. They continue to just plain work in my experience.

For me it's how THIS paint TODAY responds to my test panels.
 
dlc95 said:
I'm not a fan of having a ton of supplies cluttering up my shelves.
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Agree, and I currently have too much stuff. Once I use it up I'll likely settle on one brand, get my pads dialed in with it and be done.
 
RippyD said:
Agree, and I currently have too much stuff. Once I use it up I'll likely settle on one brand, get my pads dialed in with it and be done.
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This is exactly where I'm at right now. I'm fighting a war of attrition in my garage. I only replace what gets used up or goes bad with age.

I've got both UC/UP and the Blackfire Duo right now and should hopefully use up the polishes for both by next Spring. After that I'm looking for one "family" that hopefully comes in smaller bottles and will work across all the vehicles in my personal fleet. Sadly, the compounds will be around for a while since I almost never use them.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Hey Dan, do you know of any other open cell foam pads that have a lower PPI(larger pore size) than the green B&S?

Do you feel the blue Rupes foam has more cut than the B&S green?


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Yep!

The 6.5" yellow Buff and Shine (not the 5.5 though).
Maroon meguiar's
Lake Country Purple Kompressor
Green and Blue Rupes.

I think both the green, grey and blue Rupes pads cut more than the b&s. They just give up a touch of surface area. However. I've only really used the Rupes compounds on their pads. The B&S work great with Ultimate Compound, M100, and FG400.
 
dlc95 said:
The 6.5" yellow Buff and Shine (not the 5.5 though).
Maroon meguiar's
Lake Country Purple Kompressor
Green and Blue Rupes.

I think both the green, grey and blue Rupes pads cut more than the b&s. They just give up a touch of surface area. However. I've only really used the Rupes compounds on their pads. The B&S work great with Ultimate Compound, M100, and FG400.
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I used a blue Rupes with Menz 300 to get rid of of some deep scratches. Cut like CRAZY on hard paint. Scratches were gone very quickly. I was sure I took pics and posted this, but now can't find it. :(
 
The pores on the blue Rupes pads are huge. That's gotta be one of the heavier foam cutting pads on the market.


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so I couldn't help but to start obsessing about this topic again. On one hand I could go all in with the Rupes system.

But on the current hand, I have become very proficient with M100, M205 With Meguiars MF cutting disc and Rupes yellow pad. Why stir it up now I said to myself...?

I had a VERY long conversation with Kevin Brown one day on the phone asking about the different choices in the market. What I was told was he personally also uses the same system I use about 95% of the time because he believes there is nothing these combos can't take on.

To round out my post, I decided I want to (continually) become (even) greater with what I currently have in my arsenal now. It just happens to be a nice feeling when I don't punish my brain by obsessing about the maybe.
 
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