Any word on the new Optimum "No Rinse Wash & Wax"

TroyScherer said:
I prefer and have been using ONR+C. To me it makes more sense and is easier to read. But time and popular opinion will decide...
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Yeah...the name is Optimum No-Rinse Wash & Wax...and THEN it says "with carnauba"...and then it's got the little logo on the label that says it has patented UV inhibtors...which says to me, it doesn't really have "carnauba" in it, it's got Optimum Car Wax in it...which happens to have carnauba as an ingredient.

So for me it would be more like ONR+OCW...and I'd rather use the actual name of the product, which makes it ONRWW...of course, you could then argue that regular ONR should be ONRWS (Optimum No-Rinse Wash & Shine)...which of course some people do use.

As you said, time and popular opinion will tell. In the end it doesn't really matter, I get my tongue all messed up saying rinseless when I mean waterless and vice-versa...so I'm sure when I get this stuff in my arsenal it will be referred to by my detailing partner and I as "the green stuff", just like the DG rinseless is the "pink stuff" or "bubblegum stuff". I'm lucky if I don't call the regular ONR QEW...but that's the kind of stuff that happens when you get to my advanced age...
 
Setec, it's more than ONR+OCW. Not to say we didn't try that first...but we really spent time tweaking the product and added some different polymers to create an all new product. The initial wash was not even going to raise the price, we were going to keep it the same price as ONR. But when we finally had the product performing the way we wanted it was all new.

I think we should use NRWW because that's the part number and easy for me to recognize.

Pre Coating you will not want to use this, but you can use ONR at wash strength to remove polishing oils and go straight to coating. This is ok for our coatings because the residue is easily removed with a water dampened MF...so ONR would just provide a little extra lubrication. ONR polymers can be painted over so there should be no issues. I use this method from time to time and have a problem.
 
Chris@Optimum said:
Setec, it's more than ONR+OCW. Not to say we didn't try that first...but we really spent time tweaking the product and added some different polymers to create an all new product. The initial wash was not even going to raise the price, we were going to keep it the same price as ONR. But when we finally had the product performing the way we wanted it was all new.

I think we should use NRWW because that's the part number and easy for me to recognize.

Pre Coating you will not want to use this, but you can use ONR at wash strength to remove polishing oils and go straight to coating. This is ok for our coatings because the residue is easily removed with a water dampened MF...so ONR would just provide a little extra lubrication. ONR polymers can be painted over so there should be no issues. I use this method from time to time and have a problem.
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OK so now I'm really confused. (like that's a surprise to anyone that knows me) ;) Man..... I hate this being as I just got (like today) 2 bottles of ONR. Wouldn't it have been cool to get one of each!?!? :drool:

So adding a shot of OCW, or whatever else to get a bit of extra carnuba 'glide' wouldn't help?

The last line of your statement....."I use this method from time to time and have a problem" perhaps a typo? Is it streaking or clouding etc.?
 
Chris@Optimum said:
Setec, it's more than ONR+OCW. Not to say we didn't try that first...but we really spent time tweaking the product and added some different polymers to create an all new product.
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I wasn't suggesting that you simply poured OCW into ONR (although it sounds like you did :p ), but that you used the technology of OCW (and apparently a bit more). To me to call it ONR + carnauba sells OPT short, because it's more than ONR with some flakes mixed in.

Chris@Optimum said:
I think we should use NRWW because that's the part number and easy for me to recognize.
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I'm already sold on ONRWW as the acronym :D
 
cardaddy said:
OK so now I'm really confused. (like that's a surprise to anyone that knows me) ;) Man..... I hate this being as I just got (like today) 2 bottles of ONR. Wouldn't it have been cool to get one of each!?!? :drool:

So adding a shot of OCW, or whatever else to get a bit of extra carnuba 'glide' wouldn't help?

The last line of your statement....."I use this method from time to time and have a problem" perhaps a typo? Is it streaking or clouding etc.?
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Adding an once of OCW to ONR will make a noticeable difference as some detailers already know. I was just distinguishing that NRWW was more than just mixing the two.

Setec Astronomy said:
I wasn't suggesting that you simply poured OCW into ONR (although it sounds like you did :p ), but that you used the technology of OCW (and apparently a bit more). To me to call it ONR + carnauba sells OPT short, because it's more than ONR with some flakes mixed in.

I'm already sold on ONRWW as the acronym :D
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I knew you didn't mean it like it was a bad thing, I just wanted everyone to know we did our homework. I'm really proud of this product because I did a lot of the testing and refinement suggestions...and the smell, oh my, the smell is killer
 
Chris@Optimum said:
Adding an once of OCW to ONR will make a noticeable difference as some detailers already know. I was just distinguishing that NRWW was more than just mixing the two.
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Just messing with ya' Chris. ;) I'm already adding the new mix to my next order. :)
 
Oddly enough after the discussion in this thread that ONRWW is more than just simply ONR with OCW mixed in, ONRWW has appeared in the OPT site/store (not the Optimum Forum store) with this description:

Optimum No Rinse™ Wash & Wax provides all the benefits of No Rinse™ Wash & Shine plus additional protection and shine of Optimum Car Wax in one easy step.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Oddly enough after the discussion in this thread that ONRWW is more than just simply ONR with OCW mixed in, ONRWW has appeared in the OPT site/store (not the Optimum Forum store) with this description:

Optimum No Rinse™ Wash & Wax provides all the benefits of No Rinse™ Wash & Shine plus additional protection and shine of Optimum Car Wax in one easy step.
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So...

Is it ONRW&W (ONR Wash & Wax)

or, ONRWw/W (ONR Wash w/ Wax)

or, ONRWw/C (ONR Wash w/ Carnuba)

or, ONRW+C (ONR Wash + Carnuba)



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Flannigan said:
It bothers me that the last version came out not too long ago. Almost like they could have waited to just release this product and save some people money.

The DG Rinseless with AW is an amazing product, so I don't really see myself changing from that, just my .02
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Once I'm out of my current gallon of ONR I'll be switching to DG rinseless as I bought some for my buddy and tried it out and I really liked it.......ALOT! I know that Optimum was the first to really offer this product and you'd think they'd be on the cutting edge of making the product better but it looks like the competition "took the ball and ran with it" by offering better products afterwards and DG is one of those companies, the little company that could....AND DOES!

That said, I'm sure the ONR updated is going to be a great product nonetheless!
 
Klasse Act said:
Once I'm out of my current gallon of ONR I'll be switching to DG rinseless as I bought some for my buddy and tried it out and I really liked it.......ALOT!
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What version of ONR do you have? I also really like the DG product, and I'd say I like it better than ONRv2, but ONRv3 is supposed to be much better than v2 (I haven't used the v3). The price point is also good on the DG vs. ONRWW, but before I buy anymore of the DG I want to try ONRv3 and ONRWW.
 
I can say for a fact that ONRv3 is lightyears better than v2. Seems to clean better and leave less solution behind on the paint. But then again thats on a nicely sealed vehicle :)
 
Does anyone know the effectiveness level Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax in terms of how long does the wax protection last. Trying to figure out the place for this product over say just sticking with Optimum No Rinse Wash + Optimum Spray Wax.
 
conthedon said:
Does anyone know the effectiveness level Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax in terms of how long does the wax protection last. Trying to figure out the place for this product over say just sticking with Optimum No Rinse Wash + Optimum Spray Wax.
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Generally a product that does everything well doesnt do a specific thing excellently. So I would assume ONR with OCW would still be superior but I could be wrong.
 
vman said:
Generally a product that does everything well doesnt do a specific thing excellently. So I would assume ONR with OCW would still be superior but I could be wrong.
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agreed. I'm just curious just what type of durability they were able to get with the wax in this rinse less wash and does it hold up just the same as ONR for winter washes?. I'm a big fan of the Optimum line, and the product sounds good, but I just can't figure out where to place the value in it before I decide to purchase. For example if it is the ease of use, the spray wax takes very little time to apply and probably much better durability (like you said, and I agree with as well, generally dedicated products are more effective). Then, since it is more expensive ONR is (35-40 a gallon) and ONRWW is $50, what would be the point in using it for weekly washes when it is unnecessary to apply wax every week/routinely after each wash. Or would it be something to use in addition to having ONR? For example using ONR for weekly washes, and then when it is time to get a layer of wax after a few months or so, do a ONR wash & wax to the car.
 
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