Best method to dressing large, aggressive tires.

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Hey guys,

I helped my father prep and show three of his vehicles this weekend. This year was the first year showing his '91 Ram W250, as it turned 25. The truck has massive tires, massive to me anyways. They were Coopers of one model line or another and they had tons of grooves going all sorts of directions, raised lettering, and aggressive tread along the edges. It took me forever and a day to clean and dress them, granted I was doing a more thorough job then I do on most vehicles, but still. I used a paint brush, an old boars brush of mine, and a Tuff Shine tire applicator to do the job. Dressings were Tuff Shine tire clearcoat and VRP. Buffed with a microfiber once done to remove any excess and let sit overnight.

What do you guys do/use when dressing larger truck tires with anything but a smooth sidewall? Would a spray tire dressing be the way to go for application? What types of brushes or applicators may work better? I don't plan on spending that much time dressing tires ever again.

Thanks in advance!
 
Tire foam. Most anything else will sling off of tires that big.
 

With a show vehicle I would consider somthing like Meg's Hyper Dressing. I use this as a wheel well dressing as I can spray and walk awway. Foir tires you can spray and buff quickly.

 
You could use a tire coating and forget about them for about a year. Otherwise, water based dressing so it won't sling. As for application method, I like to use microfiber applicator pads. But you can use a sponge applicator if you want. Mike might be able to give you specific tricks since he owns a truck with huge tires. But I doubt there are much you can do to speed up the process.
 
Spraying would be the quickest, though as mentioned above, the solvent based ones will sling and you will likely have to clean it off the rim and surrounding panels if there is wind. (I dislike spraying for that reason)

I'll use Hyper Dressing at 3:1, spray it on and either use a brush like you did or I'll use a MF towel dampened in Hyper dressing, depends on how intricate they are and how much time I'm willing to invest. I'll just use MF towels on normal tires.

 
If you're talking about the Tuf Shine COATING and NOT a conventional dressing, then the key to applying the coating to a large tire or any tires is to use the Metrovac SideKick to BLAST the coating from the center outward, that is start blowing from the rim to the outer edge of the tire.

I like to use a brush to apply it, a 2" house paint brush works pretty good. Pour some coating into a bowl or cup of some sort and then brush it on and the blast it out and blast it dry with the Sidekick


Step 3 - Coat Tires and wheels


For the tire I'm using DP Tire Coating. It's my favorite tire coating. The key to great results stars with cleaning the tire surface exceedingly well and the companion product for the coating is the DP Tire Coating Cleaner & Rejuvenator.

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I applied 3 coats to each tire and forced dried each coating using the Metro-Vac Sidekick to speed up the process. You don't have to speed dry the coating but tell you what... not only does it do a great job of reducing time to apply a total of 12 coats of tire coating, (3 coats on 4 tires), it also does a great job of blowing the coating into all the groove and around all the large and small lettering found on a tire sidewall. On of my favorite tools.


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After applying the coating to the tires I applied the Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Wheel Coating to the rims to make them sparkle like new and help prevent the build-up of brake dust into the future plus it makes getting them clean faster and easier.

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Deep, dark black finish that's dry to the touch and lasts and lasts...
Not only does the DP Tire Coating look great and last a long time but it leaves behind a dry-to-the-touch finish that's non-greasy so it won't attract dirt or dust and it won't stain wash mitts, brush or your clothes if you accidentally bump into the tires.

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The Sidekick also speed dries the coating so you can apply multiple coats, blast them dry while working on the same tire.



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Thanku for the great right up, and the tip of bla Drying the Coating, so multiple coats can be applied in shorter time Mike!

Have a Great one!


Ray
 
I'm a fan of HVLP spraying dressing on tires. I have a couple cheap HF sprayers set up for such duty. I spray multiple SUPER thin coats after letting them "tack" for 15-30 minutes - even solvent based dressings don't sling for me using the "thin and tack" technique :xyxthumbs:.
 
I like to use the Flex Foam Applicators for my Jeep tires. Granted, I probably use an excessive amount of product and don't get too obsessive about covering every square millimeter with perfect coats, but we're not talking about show cars.
 
I used to apply Hyper Dressing @1:1 with a flagged tip brush on these tires, and even though I would make sure to thoroughly brush it in they'd sling... Finally I had enough of that happening and not only brushed it in but used my Metro Sidekick to slowly blow dry the dressing into every part of the tires. Then the truck parked in full sunlight for an entire day. I guaranteed they wouldn't sling anymore... Guess what, they slinged.

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I said screw it, I'm using tire foam. They haven't slinged since.
 
A YEAR? Come on now, be serious.


Yes a year.


The key to getting a year out of a tire coating, not a dressing is the same key to getting a great paint job and it all comes down to the prep work.


Here's how I prep my own tires for a tire coating




Once you get the tire clean to foam white (usually a few applications and rinsings), that's a sign the rubber is clean and you're good to go with applying a tire coating like either Tuf Shine or McKee's Tire Coating.


I started out using Tuf Shine because at the time it was the only tire coating on the market. Nick pioneered McKee's Tire Coating and had the chemist create the formula to create more shine and while I normally don't like a high shine tire dressing (because a dressing tends to be oily), I do like a high shine when the resulting surface is 100% dry to the touch. Dry and clean.

The other key to getting a year out of a tire coating is how you "touch" the coating.

When I use the word "touch" that of course means how you wash the tires because when you wash the tires "something" is going to "touch" the tires. Now if you wash your coated tires with a wire brush and Meguiar's Engine Degreaser then the coating probably won't last a year. Heck it won't last through a single wash.

If you wash your coated tires carefully, like you would wash your freshly polished and waxed/sealed/coated car paint, then it can last up to a year.

I've never went an entire year before "touching up" the tires to restore that deep, dark black wet look because I'm OCD about my truck's appearance in general. But after seeing the appearance of the coating after 6 months I'm fairly confident I could go a year but of course, after a yar the tire is not going to look the same as it would the day after you applied the coating.

The big picture here is tire coatings, when properly applied, like paint coatings, don't wear off like dressings or like car wax wears off paint. They endure better with proper washing.


My truck is down right now for repair. Actually, the repair is over, there was a crack in the frame and it's fixed. In order to fixe the crack I had to remove the engine. I installed the engine last week and now I've started the process of re-assembling all the parts back onto the engine and back into the engine bay, you know, water pump, starter motor, wiring, brake master cylinder, brake power booster, radiator, air conditioning, etc., etc., etc. It's more work than most people know plus I'm doing a little detailing as I go.

She should be back on the road in about 2 weeks. I could have her back on the road next weekend but Father's Day is going to get in the way. :)


When she's back on the road, it's EASILY been almost a year since I re-applied a coating to the tires. Before Nick left, he gave me a bottle of a new and improved McKee's Tire Coating so I'll machine scrub and then coat the tires and document the process.


Just to add.... from my experience with tire coatings - tire coatings are NOT for everyone and tire coatings are NOT for every type of tire.

Examples


Highly water and detergent resistant tire dressings
If someone has applied Meguiar's Endurance to a tire, any version of Endurance it's game over. I don't have the time or patience to try to remove 100% of Endurance or any tire dressing like Endurance so that the tire rubber sidewall is so surgically clean that a coating will make a proper bond. If someone has used Endurance or any tire dressing like Endurance, then I simply re-apply a normal tire dressing to their tires. Usually SONAX Gloss Tire Gel. Meguiar's aptly named their tire dressing when they named it e-n-d-u-r-a-n-c-e.



Low profile tires
Another way of saying low profile tires is to say,

Hardly any tire sidewall

And it's just to much of a pain in the rear to try to clean and coat thin tire sidewalls. So any car I detail with thin tire sidewalls gets SONAX Gloss Tire Gel



I'm in a hurry
If I don't have the time to properly scrub a tire sidewall till the second or third application of the tire clean foam an artic white color of foam, then I just do a good job of cleaning the tire and apply SONAX Gloss Tire Gel then stick a fork in the tires aspect of a car detail and call it done. I also tell the owner what I used and recommend they stick with it as it's really nice tire dressing.



Hope the above all helps...


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Here's a how-to article I wrote back in 2013 giving due credit where credit is due....


swanicyouth's stellar tip for applying TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat


Here's just a FEW pictures from the above write-up.


NOTE: At that time I used the Tornador Blow Out Gun to blow outward the tire coating and to also speed-dry it so I could apply more applications while still seated in front of the tire.

I found this gun to be too strong for this purpose and the Metrovac Sidekick to work the best. The benefit is most people don't own a large air compressor to use the Tornador Blow Out Gun but most people do own a 110v plug-in to plug-in a Sidekick.


Tornador Air Blow Out Gun, TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat, 2" paint brush and clean empty lid.



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Pour some TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat into a clean lid...



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Dip end of paint brush bristles into TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat

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Spread and work over and into tire the TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat using the paint brush...



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NOTE: Don't get any tire dressing on your wheels and if you do, wipe it off instantly. It will stick and dry and coat your wheels just like it will coat your tires only tire coating doesn't make wheels look pretty.



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This article,

swanicyouth's stellar tip for applying TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat


Also shows how to machine scrub tires using a Griot's DA


NOTE: NEVER HAD RUNNING WATER AROUND THE CAR WHEN MACHINE SCRUBBING TIRES



If you do, Darwin's Rule of natural selection will take place and you will no longer be with us.



Clean Tires Thoroughly Before using TUFF SHINE Tire Clearcoat



In my how-to book and in real life, I always start by washing the wheels and tires first and the reason why is explained in the book.





Some kind of slimy tire dressing already on the tires...



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Machine Clean Tires

The key is to get the tires surgically clean. The previous owner used
some type of greasy, slimy dressing so to REALLY get the tires clean
then in my opinion the best, easiest and fastest way to remove all the
slimy tire dressing is by MACHINE!





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Cyclo Brush on a Griot's DA Polisher = Best Machine Tire Scrubber

These tires have a lot of very thin or fine lines raised lines in the
sidewall so to get into these areas and agitate the tire dressing I'm
use a Gray, Ultra Soft Upholstery Brush made for Cyclo Polishers on a Griot's Garage DA Polisher on about the 5.0 Speed Setting with the TUFF SHINE Tire Cleaner.





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I have yet to find the perfect tire dressing. Maybe because I'm picky. Even good ones that say they last lose some of the darkness that I'm looking to keep. Rain and summer here don't bode well I suppose.

That said, I use Stoners More Shine. Sprays on clear to slightly white but soaks in without issues and streak free. Just wipe any misses off with ease. Comes off with Rain but it doesn't sling, is more of a low to medium gloss finish and looks great.

Just my two cents.

Here it is on my winter wheels:



Here are a couple SUV's with aggressive tires with it on:





 
Thank you all for the very helpful tips. Dressing and cleaning tires is something that has always come easy as I have always owned passenger cars. But now that I detail on the side I am learning of where I have short comings. Big truck tires was one haha.

I love the Tuf Shine Tire Coating, good to know I wasn't doing that in the best manor either.

As mentioned, I spray with caution becasue we have all seen a car leave a dealership after a "detail" and at about 35mph all the tire shine sprays up the side of the car. Shame shame lol.

I will try these methods and report back!

-James
 
Which tire foam?

To be honest, it's the AA foam. It's the only 1 I've ever used going back 20yrs. when I would 1st clean the whitewalls on my 82' Biarritz with Bleche White and follow it up with the foam. From my understanding the Meguiars foam has been re formulated several times which has always made me wonder why.. I guess my thought is if it ain't broke, why fix it.

However there is a slight difference in the final appearance between the foam compared to Hyper Dressing, with D170 looking better, but I'll sacrifice a notch in looks to avoid the sling on big truck tires.

Another area which has hurt me in the past is trying to apply any sort of dressing onto the the hard plastic trim that surrounds the top of the truckbed. It's nearly impossible. From now on only spray wax.
 
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