Black Corvette ZR1 Vs The Boss System Review

Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
If you have to buy 2 products to make 1 product more user friendly does it seem worth it to buy that product ? Not to me it doesnt.

Why are you so hyped on trying 105 ?

As far as the microfibers matting down, no matter what polish you use this is going to happend that is the characteristics of the pad.

Using compressed air or a condition brush to bring the pad back to life as well as cleaning it , (also to refluff the fibers)

Before you get 105 get griots fast correcting cream, i used it on this hammered zr1 in this review and the results speak for them self.

It has a long work time, it smells good, doesnt dust, and wipes off like a dream.

Having to buy 2 products in order to make 1 product easier to work with ? Does that seem worth it to me ? Not at all there are far better products on the market, that will make my life easier with better results.

Once again try fast correcting cream i dare you not to love it
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Joe,

After seeing you sing the praises of the FAST correcting cream and the BOSS line in general, I just purchased the FAST correcting cream and some MF correcting pads. I think you also just sold me on purchasing the BOSS buffer once I am ready. I've been using m105/205, UC, HD Speed on my Black Buick and it feels like it takes FOREVER to get the results that I know are possible. Hopefully this pad/cream combo does the trick. Foam doesn't seem to work as effectively as I'd like.

As a beginner, I'm not quite ready to buy the G15 or G21 so I am using what I have, but I have 2 questions:

1. What would be your recommendation for someone deciding between the two long-throw buffers? Any reason to choose the G15 over the G21?
2. Being that all the research I've done, without actually using a paint gauge on my car, my black paint seems to be a hard paint, would you recommend using more or less product vs. more or less pressure on the polisher?

I fell into the M105 trap and it does have EXTREMELY short work time and dusts so much that I only used it 3 times and refuse to use it now. HD speed does work longer and doesn't really dust. Should have taken your advice before I purchased the combo.

Great work!
 
2pennies said:
Joe,

After seeing you sing the praises of the FAST correcting cream and the BOSS line in general, I just purchased the FAST correcting cream and some MF correcting pads. I think you also just sold me on purchasing the BOSS buffer once I am ready. I've been using m105/205, UC, HD Speed on my Black Buick and it feels like it takes FOREVER to get the results that I know are possible. Hopefully this pad/cream combo does the trick. Foam doesn't seem to work as effectively as I'd like.

As a beginner, I'm not quite ready to buy the G15 or G21 so I am using what I have, but I have 2 questions:

1. What would be your recommendation for someone deciding between the two long-throw buffers? Any reason to choose the G15 over the G21?
2. Being that all the research I've done, without actually using a paint gauge on my car, my black paint seems to be a hard paint, would you recommend using more or less product vs. more or less pressure on the polisher?

I fell into the M105 trap and it does have EXTREMELY short work time and dusts so much that I only used it 3 times and refuse to use it now. HD speed does work longer and doesn't really dust. Should have taken your advice before I purchased the combo.

Great work!
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Congrats on finally buying the most advanced polishes on the market, yes I believe that much in them

105 is old abrasive technology and too frustrating to use for me, ain't nobody got time for that!

(And no I am not just one of those guys that only have 2 polishes and say they are the best I own every elite polishing line in my shop)

What machine are you using?

If your using the porter cable or the griots garage 6 inch the microfiber pads and fast cream is going to enhance and accelerate your cutting and finishing ability by a ton.

If you are using the above machines, pressure is key, you want to apply 7-10 lbs of pressure but don't be a robot on applying pressure, and what I mean by that is on certain parts of the car the machine isn't going to allow you to apply the same pressure as a flat surface.

That is when you have to adjust your pressure and machine angle to get optimum results , and how you find that out is what I like to call "pressure to spin ratio"

You want to find the right pressure to spin ratio to achieve maximum results, you always want the pad rotating at a decent rate while applying a decent amount of pressure.

Another tip is to work a smaller section, understand that the bigger section you work the less aggressive you are being, the smaller square the more aggressive your getting and that's key, perfect a square and move on.

The mistake I always see novices do is they always try to work to big a area a nice rule of thumb is stay within the square of your shoulders to apply the proper pressure if you lean or go out of your shoulder Balance you are going to get a disappointing result.

You are going to love fast correcting cream it is impossible not to love the stuff.

And as far as a g21 and g15 that is the famous question everyone wants to ask. And it is a hard one.

Both amazing machines have them both , both crazy smooth and powerful, with a longthrow you do not have to apply as much pressure as I stated above you let the machine do all the work.

It all depends on how many machines you have.

If you have a machine for 4 inch and 5 inch pads you can consider the g21.

What's nice about the griots polishers are you can put a 5 inch plate on the g21 and that doesn't void the warranty.

However it does lose its smoothness with that option, and the g15 with the 5 inch plate is like driving a air ride suspension Cadillac on a freshly paved road.

The g21 is my favorite machine tomorrow July 8th is my 1 year anniversary since I been using the boss system and It has changed the way I detailed.

For a newbie i would suggest the g15 it's safer awesome defect removal and very smooth.

The g21 is a serious machine and was made more for the experienced enthusiast or professional.

Again picking both machines there is no right wrong cookie cutter answer.

The car you plan on working on goes into consideration , how many machines you have , if you plan on doing just your car or doing it for money on the side, and how etc.

If you have a big boxy open car I'm g21 all day. If you have a smaller car with alot of curves and tight spaces g15.

Either way you can't go wrong.
 
Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
Congrats on finally buying the most advanced polishes on the market, yes I believe that much in them

105 is old abrasive technology and too frustrating to use for me, ain't nobody got time for that!

(And no I am not just one of those guys that only have 2 polishes and say they are the best I own every elite polishing line in my shop)

What machine are you using?

If your using the porter cable or the griots garage 6 inch the microfiber pads and fast cream is going to enhance and accelerate your cutting and finishing ability by a ton.

If you are using the above machines, pressure is key, you want to apply 7-10 lbs of pressure but don't be a robot on applying pressure, and what I mean by that is on certain parts of the car the machine isn't going to allow you to apply the same pressure as a flat surface.

That is when you have to adjust your pressure and machine angle to get optimum results , and how you find that out is what I like to call "pressure to spin ratio"

You want to find the right pressure to spin ratio to achieve maximum results, you always want the pad rotating at a decent rate while applying a decent amount of pressure.

Another tip is to work a smaller section, understand that the bigger section you work the less aggressive you are being, the smaller square the more aggressive your getting and that's key, perfect a square and move on.

The mistake I always see novices do is they always try to work to big a area a nice rule of thumb is stay within the square of your shoulders to apply the proper pressure if you lean or go out of your shoulder Balance you are going to get a disappointing result.

You are going to love fast correcting cream it is impossible not to love the stuff.

And as far as a g21 and g15 that is the famous question everyone wants to ask. And it is a hard one.

Both amazing machines have them both , both crazy smooth and powerful, with a longthrow you do not have to apply as much pressure as I stated above you let the machine do all the work.

It all depends on how many machines you have.

If you have a machine for 4 inch and 5 inch pads you can consider the g21.

What's nice about the griots polishers are you can put a 5 inch plate on the g21 and that doesn't void the warranty.

However it does lose its smoothness with that option, and the g15 with the 5 inch plate is like driving a air ride suspension Cadillac on a freshly paved road.

The g21 is my favorite machine tomorrow July 8th is my 1 year anniversary since I been using the boss system and It has changed the way I detailed.

For a newbie i would suggest the g15 it's safer awesome defect removal and very smooth.

The g21 is a serious machine and was made more for the experienced enthusiast or professional.

Again picking both machines there is no right wrong cookie cutter answer.

The car you plan on working on goes into consideration , how many machines you have , if you plan on doing just your car or doing it for money on the side, and how etc.

If you have a big boxy open car I'm g21 all day. If you have a smaller car with alot of curves and tight spaces g15.

Either way you can't go wrong.
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Wow, all great info.

I found that there was so much information out there, I made the poor choice of buying a chemical guys torqx polisher. I am planning on buying the Griot's polisher sometime in the next 6 months and want to have as much info as possible so I always pay attention to your feedback on it. I peek at your youtube channel here and there so see videos as well.

It feels like long throw enhances the speed and effectiveness of the polishing process which I love, but I am not yet experienced enough to see the same things you see so its a work in progress. I have a ton of pads, and a 3", 3.5", 5" backing plates and typically tape off 1x1 or 2x2 foot areas.

Recently, I have been applying much more pressure to the panels I polish and I have found that I am getting much more defect removal than before so I feel like thats a learning curve I am on now, but it's good to know that I can rely more on the BOSS system for better correction instead of having to rely solely on my untrained eye and the pressure i think I'm putting down.

Would you recommend getting a d/a like the HF or PCXP or GG6 before the BOSS machine? I do not plan on this just being a hobby. I would eventually like to work part time doing paint correction. Maybe i'm odd but buffing/polishing is just too much damn fun to me.
 
2pennies said:
Wow, all great info.

I found that there was so much information out there, I made the poor choice of buying a chemical guys torqx polisher. I am planning on buying the Griot's polisher sometime in the next 6 months and want to have as much info as possible so I always pay attention to your feedback on it. I peek at your youtube channel here and there so see videos as well.

It feels like long throw enhances the speed and effectiveness of the polishing process which I love, but I am not yet experienced enough to see the same things you see so its a work in progress. I have a ton of pads, and a 3", 3.5", 5" backing plates and typically tape off 1x1 or 2x2 foot areas.

Recently, I have been applying much more pressure to the panels I polish and I have found that I am getting much more defect removal than before so I feel like thats a learning curve I am on now, but it's good to know that I can rely more on the BOSS system for better correction instead of having to rely solely on my untrained eye and the pressure i think I'm putting down.

Would you recommend getting a d/a like the HF or PCXP or GG6 before the BOSS machine? I do not plan on this just being a hobby. I would eventually like to work part time doing paint correction. Maybe i'm odd but buffing/polishing is just too much damn fun to me.
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The torq 10fx has the same characteristics of the griots garage 6 inch pc and hf.

I have no real life experience with the torq , so I can not tell you my feedback however I know it is a 8mm throw machine and does have more power than the pc, as far as more power than the griots I couldn't tell you, but even if the griots did have more power it couldn't be much.

Again you can accomplish the same with your torq as a pc, hf , so buying another pc style polisher won't really be beneficial.

Save up for a g15 or g21. If you plan on doing it on the side and you enjoy doing it as well, with the money you invest , you do a few basic polish jobs and you'll get your money back.

But yes a longthrow da will be much more easier for a newbie to get better results faster, a porter cable can accomplish the same as any da on the market, the difference is the long throws just do it faster and easier.

I have alot of experience with a porter cable and the griots and there killer machines that I can make work almost as good as any machine, but that's where experience comes into factor.

Practice makes perfect, I'm glad I could try to help and lead you in the right direction, you are going to love fast cream , make sure your subscribed to my channel as I am going to be doing a how to/review on fast cream just editing the video.

If you have anymore questions, you can pm me anytime.
 
Joe@NextLevelDetail said:
The torq 10fx has the same characteristics of the griots garage 6 inch pc and hf.

I have no real life experience with the torq , so I can not tell you my feedback however I know it is a 8mm throw machine and does have more power than the pc, as far as more power than the griots I couldn't tell you, but even if the griots did have more power it couldn't be much.

Again you can accomplish the same with your torq as a pc, hf , so buying another pc style polisher won't really be beneficial.

Save up for a g15 or g21. If you plan on doing it on the side and you enjoy doing it as well, with the money you invest , you do a few basic polish jobs and you'll get your money back.

But yes a longthrow da will be much more easier for a newbie to get better results faster, a porter cable can accomplish the same as any da on the market, the difference is the long throws just do it faster and easier.

I have alot of experience with a porter cable and the griots and there killer machines that I can make work almost as good as any machine, but that's where experience comes into factor.

Practice makes perfect, I'm glad I could try to help and lead you in the right direction, you are going to love fast cream , make sure your subscribed to my channel as I am going to be doing a how to/review on fast cream just editing the video.

If you have anymore questions, you can pm me anytime.
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Great! My bottle comes in tomorrow morning and I will be spending the afternoon polishing my black Buick which seems to be very difficult to pull results from. You really did clear a lot of this up for me. I will subscribe now!

Thanks again.
 
Nice job! Before your work, I thought the original color was 'Black Swirl'!
 
Great write-up and review. Even better job on the ZR1. What a bad ride that thing is. I would definitely get in trouble with that thing. LOL. Unbelievable transformation!!! Keep up the good work!
 
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