BLACKFIRE SiO2 Spray Sealant review by Mike Phillips

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What I dont understand about these products is that when you do the final wipe off, aren't you removing some, if not all, of what you just applied?
 
The sealant layer that bonds to the paint/lsp is microscopically thin. You are rubbing off the large amount of excess. So yes, you are rubbing off some, but what is needed to begin the bonding process is already in process and remains during final wipe.
 
While I'm a bit tired of the "Si02 everything" marketing, I'm always happy to see more high quality, long-lasting WOWA sealants. Seems like this would make a great combo with the blackfire AIO.
 
JMak97008 said:
What I dont understand about these products is that when you do the final wipe off, aren't you removing some, if not all, of what you just applied?
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Good question!


***Challenge***


ill send a free 32 ounce bottle of this new product to the person that can find and share my original article on “layering”.


Go!
 
Mike Phillips said:
Good question!


***Challenge***


ill send a free 32 ounce bottle of this new product to the person that can find and share my original article on “layering”.


Go!
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In his post he mentioned “final wipe”

In yours you said “layering”

I dunno... But this article seemed to fit the bill?

The Final Wipe
The Final Wipe
 
Mike Phillips said:
Good question!


***Challenge***


ill send a free 32 ounce bottle of this new product to the person that can find and share my original article on “layering”.


Go!
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Confused? Do I apply a coat of wax after a sealant?
 
Confused? Do I apply a coat of wax after a sealant?
Confused? Do I apply a coat of wax after a sealant?


Received the below in an e-mail, I prefer to answer questions on the forum as typing for one set of eyeballs just isn't' a good leverage of typing time which is so limited.



Quote Originally Posted by Murali

Sir, I'm a professional detailer based in India and I follow your every instruction (technique) while doing a detailing job and I have great regards for you as you are like a guru to me.

Sir after following so many articles and bulletins I'm a little bit confused whether to apply a wax or not after the application of paint sealant?

I'm using Klasse High Gloss Paint Sealant and Meguiars NXT Gen Tech Wax 2.0

please guide me

Rgds/ Murali

Hi Murali,


Great question and a COMMON question as there is a lot of confusion over the correct steps and procedures when sealing paint.

Here's the deal. You really only need to use ONE product to seal the paint. You state you're using Klasse SG and Meguiar's Tech Wax. These are both protection products, that is they seal the paint surface and protect it. You really only need to use one and whichever product you choose do a GREAT job off applying a uniform application and the remove according to the manufacturers directions.


Topping
There are some people that like to do what's called topping. Topping is when you LAYER one protection product over the other with the IDEA being you're creating a thicker layer of protection because in our brains we imagine that the second product is coating over the first product.

In reality, this "might" work with some product but with most products the second product applied is going to liquify the first product and you'll end up with something on the surface, probably a little bit of both products after the final wipe off.


The "consensus" for the right way to top a product goes like this,

First apply a synthetic paint sealant and then apply a carnauba wax over it. The theory being that the synthetic paint sealant will bond or crosslink to the paint with a strong enough bond that as long as the carnauba wax you apply over it is NOT a Carnauba CLEANER/WAX but a carnauba finishing wax, that is no cleaning ability, then the carnauba wax will not remove the synthetic paint sealant and thus will be sitting on top of it or layered over it for MORE protection.

The theory being that if you apply a carnauba wax first and then apply a synthetic sealant over it the synthetic sealant will simply remove the carnauba wax in the process.


Since there's no way of really knowing what's going on at the surface level then in my opinion a good and normal practice is to simply pick ONE product and do a GREAT job of applying it. Then INSTEAD of trying to create a thicker layer of protection that will last a long time SIMPLY re-wax the car on a regular schedule.

It's called maintenance.

Then to make it fun and easy, do what I've been teaching for decades,


"Find something you like and use it often"




Also just to add....

The Klasse Sealant Glaze is a non-cleaning acrylic resin. You MUST apply a THIN coat or it will break your arm to try to wipe it off. It should have a clean surface to be applied to so I don't think it would be a good idea to try to apply it over the Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax.

The Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax has a light cleaning ability, it's not a true non-cleaning finishing sealant. So if you apply it over the Klasse SG the NXT will probably remove it or at least remove some of it.

In other words, I think you're going to be spinning your wheels to try to apply one over the other no matter which order you go with. So just pick one and go with it.


Hope that helps...
 
mmhammer said:
Since there's no way of really knowing what's going on at the surface level then in my opinion a good and normal practice is to simply pick ONE product and do a GREAT job of applying it. Then INSTEAD of trying to create a thicker layer of protection that will last a long time SIMPLY re-wax the car on a regular schedule.

It's called maintenance.
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That’s exactly the way I see it too.

sealant/wax maintenance
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...net/forum/showpost.php?p=1568213&share_type=t
 
Well cwillianms4296 is the winner but 2004 is a long time ago. Great search effort.:dblthumb2:
 
Mike Phillips said:
Here's a video that shares product info and application directions...

[video=youtube_share;Tj4myDVR8OQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?vTj4myDVR8OQ[/video]



:)
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Great writer up Mike I Love the BF coating & the BF booster I have two bottles of BF sealant on order I can't wait to try it.
Is the BF sealant layerable and can it be used over top of waxes and sealants?
 
Eldorado2k said:
In his post he mentioned “final wipe”

In yours you said “layering”

I dunno... But this article seemed to fit the bill?

The Final Wipe
The Final Wipe
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That's a good article but not the one I was thinking of... just the other day ago I was wiping something off some paint and caught myself moving my hand fast - I thought about this article and then s-l-o-w-e-d down my hand movement and saw better results...

Thank you for cyber-digging it up and sharing it. Anyone reading this thread that has not read this article, take a moment to read through it.



07rs said:
Topping - Definition - How to Top also called Topping


Sent from my iPhone using Autogeekonline mobile app
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That article does actually apply to the context of topics being discussed in this article. Thank you for cyber-digging it up and sharing it. Anyone reading this thread that has not read this article, take a moment to read through it.



cwilliams4296 said:
What's the deal with "Layering?"

From Mol
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Yeperdoo... that's the one I was thinking of... has to do with bonding, (how does a wax or sealant or even coating stick to a surface), and a handful of common sense... hard to believe that post I made in that thread, (another guy's thread), is now 14 year old.



Here's the more updated version of the above thread, "What's the deal with layering", I wrote this in 2010


Miscible and Immiscible - Wax and Paint Sealant Bonding



:)
 
Hi all,

I have what I think is an easy question but I haven't really been able to answer it in my reading. I recently bought a 2018 BMW X3 M40i and wanted to protect the paint as I have with my previous new car purchases. The penultimate step in that process has been the use of Blackfire Crystal Seal, which I have refreshed on a regular basis (I say penultimate because I have on occasion used Pinnacle Souveran wax over the Crystal Seal). I am now to the point in the process where I have given the X3 a single coat of the Crystal Seal.

A few days ago I logged on to Autogeek looking for some supplies and saw the BF SiO2 sealant which, from the description, would seem to be superior to the Crystal Seal in both longevity and shine.

I have ordered both the SiO2 sealant. I also ordered the BF paint prep which I assumed (rightly or wrongly) would be needed to remove the Crystal Seal to prepare the paint on the X3 for the application of the SiO2.

My question right now is do I need to do do any special preparation to apply the SiO2 to a clean car that has already had Crystal Seal applied to it?

In the article that Mike referred to above that relates to miscibility he alludes to the fact that using products from the same manufacturer my confer some degree of compatibility.

Perhaps I can apply the SiO2 over the Crystal Seal without using the Paint Prep? That would be the ideal situation, obviously, and would also mean that I could use the SiO2 sealant on my other cars that have had Crystal Seal used on them.

Advise very much welcome here.

Thanks in advance.


LarryS
 
LarryS said:
Hi all,
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Hi Larry,

Hope you don't mind, I edited your post and broke up the huge chunk of text by adding some breaks to make it easier to read and digest.



LarryS said:
A few days ago I logged on to Autogeek looking for some supplies and saw the BF SiO2 sealant which, from the description, would seem to be superior to the Crystal Seal in both longevity and shine.

I have ordered both the SiO2 sealant. I also ordered the BF paint prep which I assumed (rightly or wrongly) would be needed to remove the Crystal Seal to prepare the paint on the X3 for the application of the SiO2.
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While none of us can shrink ourselves down to the atom level to walk around on our car's paint and look to see first hand if a previously applied product was removed by another product, my guess is that either a hand application or machine application, (orbital polisher with soft foam finishing pad), of the BLACKFIRE Paint Cleaner would remove whatever BLACKFIRE Crystal Seal was still on the surface since the last application. Remember, outside of ceramic coatings, conventional waxes and sealants wear-off as they are merely sacrificial barrier coatings.

So yeah... if you apply the BLACKFIRE Paint Cleaner to your car's finish it should remove everything off the surface and get you down to a fresh base of paint.

Are you working by hand or machine and if by machine, which machine?


LarryS said:
My question right now is do I need to do do any special preparation to apply the SiO2 to a clean car that has already had Crystal Seal applied to it?
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Wash the car carefully, (as you should and probably already do), then dry it and then apply the SiO2 Coating.


LarryS said:
In the article that Mike referred to above that relates to miscibility he alludes to the fact that using products from the same manufacturer my confer some degree of compatibility.
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That's a fairly meaty article considering I wrote it 14 years ago. That's also I "think" when I coined the term,

Synergistic Chemical Compatibility


I see others use the above term but that's where it came from.


LarryS said:
Perhaps I can apply the SiO2 over the Crystal Seal without using the Paint Prep? That would be the ideal situation, obviously, and would also mean that I could use the SiO2 sealant on my other cars that have had Crystal Seal used on them.

Advise very much welcome here.

Thanks in advance.


LarryS
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As long as you carefully wash the car first I think it would be perfectly fine to apply the SiO2 Spray Sealant onto the washed, dried clean paint surface.

I'd say try it to the hood or trunk lid of one car and make sure you're getting the results you want then go from there...


:)
 
Mike,

Thanks very much for your response. The X3 is very clean. It's only about a week old and was carefully cleaned the day I brought it home. I plan on using a waterless wash (BF most likely) on it today and it will be garaged until I can put on the SiO2 (which is supposed to arrive tomorrow). Believe it or not, my goal is to make the new X3 look as good as my 3 year old World Rally Blue WRX. They sit side-by-side in the garage and the paint on the WRX, despite it being my primary winter vehicle, shines better than the one week old Phytonic Blue BMW. So I have to say I am mightily impressed by the result I've gotten with Crystal Seal. I will try the SiO2 on the BMW and see how it comes out. If it works as well as the Crystal Seal I'll be more than happy.

One final question. I have sometimes put a coat of Pinnacle Natural Brilliance Souverän wax on a day or so after the Crystal Seal. Am I adding to the protection/shine by doing so? Thanks again.

LarryS
 
LarryS said:
Mike,

Thanks very much for your response. The X3 is very clean. It's only about a week old and was carefully cleaned the day I brought it home. I plan on using a waterless wash (BF most likely) on it today and it will be garaged until I can put on the SiO2 (which is supposed to arrive tomorrow). Believe it or not, my goal is to make the new X3 look as good as my 3 year old World Rally Blue WRX. They sit side-by-side in the garage and the paint on the WRX, despite it being my primary winter vehicle, shines better than the one week old Phytonic Blue BMW. So I have to say I am mightily impressed by the result I've gotten with Crystal Seal. I will try the SiO2 on the BMW and see how it comes out. If it works as well as the Crystal Seal I'll be more than happy.

One final question. I have sometimes put a coat of Pinnacle Natural Brilliance Souverän wax on a day or so after the Crystal Seal. Am I adding to the protection/shine by doing so? Thanks again.

LarryS
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OK. The SiO2 has arrived and has been used on the X3. Not sure if it gave me better results than the Crystal Seal in terms of shine, but it does look good. Durability - time will tell I guess. One small niggle is that, despite buffing twice with good microfiber towels, it is a bit streaky. Maybe I didn't wait long enough before removing, or waited too long? Can I buff this with my orbital polisher? If so, what would be the recommended pad and speed?

To further protect, I'd like to add another coat of something. One option, of course, is another coat of the SiO2. But this is my first time using this and I'm not sure what the recommendations are about multiple coats. I also have 2 standby products which I like very much - the BF Crystal Seal and Pinnacle Souverän wax. I've been very impressed with the results I've gotten over the last 5 years or so with the Crystal Seal and am leaning toward putting a finishing coat of that on the X3. It also has an advantage of being extremely easy to use and refresh. But I also very much like the Pinnacle. I find it very easy to apply and remove and it seems to give my WRX a really brilliant luster. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to proceed from here?

Thanks in advance for any recommendations. The X3 is starting to get there!

LarryS
 
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